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SirDan3k posted:So you have never read a Hulk story and have no passing knowledge of the Hulk I assume? Let me clue you in real quick, it's a curse, the kind you can't get rid of because it's an allegory for the self destructive and bestial nature of mankind that we can not shake free of even today, a nature that all our technological progress has enhanced not abated. who pissed in your cheerios grandad
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Maria "I am going to arrest someone and start a civil war" Hill The panel with Sam and Miles going "WOW I'M ON TONY'S SIDE" was pretty bad, too
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Jul 14, 2016 04:50
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TwoPair posted:Like, seriously, vetted and approved by Marvel editorial, what-the-gently caress-ever, it doesn't make the book's writing less dumb. "Banner's been experimenting on himself for a year to keep himself from hulking out" Really? Because if there was a writers retreat then maybe someone could have brought up "no actually he's been Hulk-free because there's a different Hulk who sucked all the gamma right out of him". quote:Even setting that aside, having Hawkeye ice Banner was something that really just didn't sit right with me. But hey at least with him being a murderer now we can have lots of super-awkward dialogue any time he cameos and/or is mentioned in Kate Bishop's new solo!
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Jul 14, 2016 04:58
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Like, when we got that vision of the Hulk killing everyone at the end of issue two, my assumption was that we'd get a series of events leading up over the next couple of issues towards that eventual outcome. Maybe it would even be the climax of the entire story, and only by looking back in retrospect would we think, "Ah, the mystery is finally revealed. This is how it came to be"...perhaps even as a self-fulfilling outcome of the vision itself or somesuch. Cause and effect. Buildup and resolution. But no, in the span of ten or so pages a character that hasn't done anything in the story gets killed by another character that hasn't done anything in the story because a flashback between them that we don't get to see until after the fact tells us they'd arranged for this before anything had actually happened in this story. And what does this have to do with anything going forward? Who knows! We end on the "cliffhanger" of Tony discovering the truth of how Ulysses' powers work, but the fact that the next issue could reveal this truth to be literally anything whatsoever because nothing in the story so far has established any indications for anything about it at all. Bendis could tell us in the next issue that Ulysses is powered by Spider Totems and it would make about as much sense as anything else in this book's narrative progression. Maybe we can chalk all that up, on a technical level, to just "this story is bad" instead of "there is no story," but the reason I think the story is bad is because there's no throughline sense of plot or structure to the events we see unfolding in it. It genuinely does just feel like the events we see so far have been planned by throwing darts at a wall.
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Jul 14, 2016 05:07
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I honestly expect Bendis to have Amadeus lose his poo poo and be the Hulk that nearly murders everyone.
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Jul 14, 2016 05:11
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What if it's Doc Samson? Bendis insisted it was a plot point that he was back from the dead.
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Jul 14, 2016 05:12
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Edge & Christian posted:What if it's Doc Samson? Bendis insisted it was a plot point that he was back from the dead. That would also work for me. Making Bruce's death totally meaningless would be a good guy punch.
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Jul 14, 2016 05:58
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BrianWilly posted:Like, when we got that vision of the Hulk killing everyone at the end of issue two, my assumption was that we'd get a series of events leading up over the next couple of issues towards that eventual outcome. Maybe it would even be the climax of the entire story, and only by looking back in retrospect would we think, "Ah, the mystery is finally revealed. This is how it came to be"...perhaps even as a self-fulfilling outcome of the vision itself or somesuch. Cause and effect. Buildup and resolution. Bendis has always had issues with plotting, big events just aren't a thing he should do. Considering they are basically all about plotting.
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Jul 14, 2016 05:59
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There's actually good comics out this week.
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Jul 14, 2016 06:47
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Gwenpool is still quite fun.
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Jul 14, 2016 06:50
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I actually just picked up the issue of Inhumans that focused on Reader getting his dog back and really liked it.
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Jul 14, 2016 06:53
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Four Score posted:There is no real pseudoscientific reason or internal logic consistent within the setting that the Hulk is incurable or permanent. Hulk is literally magic, when the Maestro got killed he hung around as a spirit until he could absorb enough energy to be reborn. There really isn't a genetic competent to "Magic ghost powers".
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Edge & Christian posted:Or in the Occupy Avengers book he's the lead character in? Yeah probably! Look, I know I'm relatively new to comics so there's like 30-40 years of Hawkeye stories I haven't read, and I know that a lot of people don't care for the fuckup that Fraction's run portrayed him as (and essentially established him as in the Marvel universe for the past few years), but after this, I know (or at least, I'm willing to bet) that the next couple of years until Banner comes back are gonna have Hawkeye's inner monologue or other characters bring up "you killed an innocent man!" a lot and it's gonna make the character an unfun bummer. I realized typing that that I'm basically calling Clint Barton the Penance of CW2.
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Jul 14, 2016 08:17
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Edge & Christian posted:What if it's Doc Samson? Bendis insisted it was a plot point that he was back from the dead. I honestly don't believe him.
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WAR FOOT posted:Maria "I am going to arrest someone and start a civil war" Hill Yeah their reaction seemed unrealistic and just forced for plot's sake. It gets even worse when Nova's book is making him reluctant to back either side.
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Jul 14, 2016 13:41
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SilverSupernova posted:Yeah their reaction seemed unrealistic and just forced for plot's sake. It gets even worse when Nova's book is making him reluctant to back either side. That's pretty much how Bendis events have played out in the past, just characters acting in a flat way to tell the kind of story he wants.
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Jul 14, 2016 13:52
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Nilbop posted:I actually just picked up the issue of Inhumans that focused on Reader getting his dog back and really liked it. I'd rather talk about how awesome this issue was rather than how confusing CW2 is.
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Jul 14, 2016 14:07
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BrianWilly posted:Like how many covers can we find of four white characters standing together for no reason Upcoming? That might be harder than previously. Not a terrible thing, really. Rhyno posted:All white people are brothers united by our love of racquetball. Trast posted:And mayo, don't forget mayo. Stop giving away secrets or I will bring it up at the next council meeting. TwoPair posted:I realized typing that that I'm basically calling Clint Barton the Penance of CW2. Bro. I hope you're wrong.
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Jul 14, 2016 21:41
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I am still amused that in two out of two Civil War events, Maria Hill tries to arrest an Original Avenger before they do anything illegal.
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Jul 14, 2016 22:37
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WAR FOOT posted:I am still amused that in two out of two Civil War events, Maria Hill tries to arrest an Original Avenger before they do anything illegal. Who was the original Avenger that Hill tried to arrest in CW I?
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Jul 14, 2016 23:08
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A.o.D. posted:Who was the original Avenger that Hill tried to arrest in CW I? Captain America. She corners him with Shields best agents before the law goes through, and authorizes lethal force to be used on him after he called her a facist. Thus is despite it being a few days before the registration act got signed into law.
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Jul 14, 2016 23:54
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KittyEmpress posted:Captain America. She corners him with Shields best agents before the law goes through, and authorizes lethal force to be used on him after he called her a facist. Thus is despite it being a few days before the registration act got signed into law. Yeah, she tried to arrest Cap. I remember that. But who was the original Avenger that she arrested? e: fixed tense.
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Civil War 2 is poo poo rear end piss but it would be a cool character development if Hawkeye becomes more and more uncertain that Bruce was actually about to Hulk out, and that he saw what he expected to see because he was so amped up/scared that it was going to happen. It's been discussed to death but I'm sure I hate it twice as much because of how good it was in T.A.Hulk when Bruce realized he COULDN'T Hulk out anymore. In other news everyone should give Bullseye a chance when it comes out because Brisson's "The Violent" was cancelled at 5 issues despite being RAD. So I'm expecting Bullseye to be gritty as hell, and "gritty" and "the Daredevil sphere" go together like lamb and tuna fish. Bullseye's totally in my mental list of "new books that won't get more than 6 issues" but I'm rooting for it now that I've learned/noticed who the writer is.
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El Tortuga posted:I'd rather talk about how awesome this issue was rather than how confusing CW2 is. Reader is a seriously cool character and anyone who adds another dog into the superhero support pool is fine by me. When I realized what he was doing this chapter I just got the biggest smile on my face. On the other side of things I picked up Vision 9 and yeah, this isn't doing it for me at all. I can see why this would be some people's bag because it's approaching tones in a not--mostly-unintelligent say but by the end of the issue I was rolling my eyes instead of crying them out. I'm still interested in seeing Viv(?) in Champions though. Seriously looking forward to that line-up, especially after getting caught up on ANADA and seeing what Waid's doing with the Kamala, Miles and Sam.
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Diet Poison posted:Civil War 2 is poo poo rear end piss but it would be a cool character development if Hawkeye becomes more and more uncertain that Bruce was actually about to Hulk out, and that he saw what he expected to see because he was so amped up/scared that it was going to happen. It's been discussed to death but I'm sure I hate it twice as much because of how good it was in T.A.Hulk when Bruce realized he COULDN'T Hulk out anymore. You mean turn a bad story beat into an opportunity to discuss disproportionate police violence? Yeah, that'd potentially be a powerful story, but I don't think Marvel has the wherewithal or the stones to write that story right now.
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A.o.D. posted:You mean turn a bad story beat into an opportunity to discuss disproportionate police violence? Yeah, that'd potentially be a powerful story, but I don't think Marvel has the wherewithal or the stones to write that story right now. SamCap is specifically discussing disproportionate police violence at this very moment.
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Jul 15, 2016 01:34
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neat!
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JoshTheStampede posted:SamCap is specifically discussing disproportionate police violence at this very moment. The Americops look like a parody of 90's comics.
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Jul 15, 2016 01:41
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Power Man & Iron Fist seem to be delving into that particular well of inspiration too.
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Jul 15, 2016 01:43
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Yea I wanted to ask about the AmeriCops, a friend was asking on their podcast if they're working for Carol, but they've not been mentioned outside of Sam Wilson. I like that the CW2 issue was told from a court case with flash back the events, but I feel like the whole story has been treading water without any clear path.
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Jul 15, 2016 01:48
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To be fair, Bendis just got a comic about condemning and retaliating to police corruption and violence optioned for a pilot on Showtime.
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twistedmentat posted:Yea I wanted to ask about the AmeriCops, a friend was asking on their podcast if they're working for Carol, but they've not been mentioned outside of Sam Wilson. Yeah I also was confused when they talked about it on Wait, What. It's totally confined to Cap's book, it's the plot going on when Sam isn't dealing with CW stuff. It came off as a little on the nose because of the two police shootings that happened the week it dropped but that was bad timing/coincidence. Honestly if HydraCap hadn't sucked all the attention to itself I would have expected to hear more complaints about white Nick Spencer writing two issues in a row about black superheroes hanging out and discussing black superhero life, the reintroduction of Rage of all people, and the whole Americops thing. Considering people didn't like when Bendis had Miles say he wanted to be more than just "the black Spider-Man" and that his race shouldn't matter, this seemed even more potentially "stay in your lane, Spencer".
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Jul 15, 2016 02:02
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I liked this weeks issue. Ever since the end of Ultimates volume one, I've seen Hawkeye as the guy you give the silver bullet when dealing with the Hulk. I'm interested to see where this goes, especially since it moves two of Marvel's bigger characters away from the center. By the end of all this, Tony Stark is going to get pushed to the edges as well. It's really cool they're giving all these new characters a chance
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Jul 15, 2016 04:32
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A.o.D. posted:Who was the original Avenger that Hill tried to arrest in CW I? Shoot, I meant iconic. My bad!
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Jul 15, 2016 05:24
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Die Laughing posted:By the end of all this, Tony Stark is going to get pushed to the edges as well. Judging by Holo-Tony on the cover of the upcoming IIM, I think Stark is getting pushed into a body bag at the end of this. Well, unless the next volume of Iron Man is gonna go all Batman Beyond with Tony just yelling from a chair at Riri mid-mission.
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Jul 15, 2016 05:48
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"Tony dies and lives on as an AI" was part of my Iron Man pitch I made up on a boring work shift a couple years back also included in that pitch: a story where Tony is trapped in the Savage Land entitled Jurassic Stark
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Jul 15, 2016 06:06
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Blockhouse posted:also included in that pitch: a story where Tony is trapped in the Savage Land entitled Jurassic Stark How does this not exist?
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Jul 15, 2016 06:10
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TwoPair posted:Judging by Holo-Tony on the cover of the upcoming IIM, I think Stark is getting pushed into a body bag at the end of this. Either way, all the Marvel stalwarts will be on the peripheral. Marvel isn't trying to chase the movies, though they will try to line some things up, but they're trying to get ahead of them. I'm totally down for the movies slowly replacing their cast with the inheritors from the comics.
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Random question, is the new run of Black Panther by Tah-Nehisi Coates worth picking up? The previews looked interesting to me and I liked the art.
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