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Darth Walrus posted:The Xi honestly shouldn't be too ugly-cool. That's what the Penelope is for. The Xi is supposed to be a refined, perfected, and stylish showcase of all its new tech. That's what makes its ugly, busy design stand out even more. The Xi isn't really supposed to be a refined or perfected version, it's just the next step in the tech tree by having the flight unit built into the robot rather than as an add-on. The two robots have similar loadouts and capabilities otherwise. The Victory gundams are where the technology is actually perfected. Of course, the fact that it makes sense doesn't stop it from looking like rear end.
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I have a soft spot for the Xi because it’s pretty much the Zeorymer, but in terms of the “completely bulky monstrosity” aesthetic, I feel like the Ex-S pulled that off the best off of the top of my head
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MechaX posted:I have a soft spot for the Xi because it’s pretty much the Zeorymer, but in terms of the “completely bulky monstrosity” aesthetic, I feel like the Ex-S pulled that off the best off of the top of my head I'm not a fan of the design but yeah the Ex-S is about as far as you can go without hitting the "should just be a spaceship at this point" zone.
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it'd work better if one of the two was comprehensible and they were visually distinct from each other.
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Waffleman_ posted:Oh no, I'm reaching the point of being a Gundam fan where I see a cool MS and my first thought is "Want that gunpla" Buy the master grade. It's excellent.
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That's like a hundred thirty! I haven't even built a proper HG yet!
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Cleretic posted:There's some skill required to make a good 'ugly cool' mechanical design, that's simultaneously cool to the audience while clearly being a total mess in-universe, and the hardest part is that if you fail at the latter you also fail at the former, which is what happened with the Xi. I don't think I'd agree most of those are supposed to be viewed as messes in-universe. The Zeong maybe, though only insofar as "incomplete" counts as "a mess", which is kind of an odd way to define it in my opinion, but I don't think the Tieren or any of the non-star designs from Turn A are supposed to be viewed in universe as a mess. I'd think they're meant to be viewed more as designs focused on practicality and function first and foremost, rather than aesthetics; ugly perhaps, but not messy. Which isn't really the same thing. Yinlock posted:The Xi isn't really supposed to be a refined or perfected version, it's just the next step in the tech tree by having the flight unit built into the robot rather than as an add-on. The two robots have similar loadouts and capabilities otherwise. The Victory gundams are where the technology is actually perfected. I don't think this is quite true, or at least, it may not have been meant to be true originally. If you remember the G40 animation for a year or two back with wheel shaped colonies and Zaku II's invading a colony as Amuro's mom encourages him to board the Gundam, the director, Kou Matsuo, said he talked to Tomino when designing the technology of the piece, because he thought that it should be more advanced to differtiate things and when he asked Tomino about minovsky flight, Tomino said that the F91 was supposed to be capable of it. I don't know if Sunrise considers that true in universe, or if Tomino's intentions got lost, but that information that had been floating around for years on the Japanese side, without anyone really talking about it within the English fandom, since it was apparently included in an F91 databook (MS Memoirs) or something back in 1999, and has even been on the Japanese Wikipedia article for years.  [
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Oh no, we've given the drat kid PTSD. Great job, Bernie.
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Waffleman_ posted:That's like a hundred thirty! I haven't even built a proper HG yet! If you look on HLJ it's only $46 USD. I'd just recommend the MG because the HG Alex is absolutely ancient at this point.
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Looks like it's also on back order. I know I kinda wanna do another Gunpla, but I'm not sure what, if any, I wanna do before the HG Aerial comes out.
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tsob posted:I don't think this is quite true, or at least, it may not have been meant to be true originally. If you remember the G40 animation for a year or two back with wheel shaped colonies and Zaku II's invading a colony as Amuro's mom encourages him to board the Gundam, the director, Kou Matsuo, said he talked to Tomino when designing the technology of the piece, because he thought that it should be more advanced to differtiate things and when he asked Tomino about minovsky flight, Tomino said that the F91 was supposed to be capable of it. I don't know if Sunrise considers that true in universe, or if Tomino's intentions got lost, but that information that had been floating around for years on the Japanese side, without anyone really talking about it within the English fandom, since it was apparently included in an F91 databook (MS Memoirs) or something back in 1999, and has even been on the Japanese Wikipedia article for years. Whatever Tomino's intentions were, what actually happened was that it was perfected with the Victory gundams. Well and, according to the wiki, some f91 spinoff manga that just "lost" all the wings-of-light related data, and every mech, and every spare part for those mechs. I refuse to count that.
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The Penelope/Xi/F91 etc. style of flight is somewhat different to the Victory line, specifically the V2. The Xi etc. use a Minovsky Flight unit that creates Minovsky fields to float on, but require thrusters to push them in any particular direction. This technology is basically an attempt to miniaturize the Minovsky Craft engine first used in the White Base, because that provides it's own thrust as well as cushioning. That isn't realized until the V2 though. Which requires significantly less thrust from fewer dedicated thrusters than even the normal V to achieve higher speed, because the Minovsky Craft engine does that instead.
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tsob posted:The Penelope/Xi/F91 etc. style of flight is somewhat different to the Victory line, specifically the V2. The Xi etc. use a Minovsky Flight unit that creates Minovsky fields to float on, but require thrusters to push them in any particular direction. This technology is basically an attempt to miniaturize the Minovsky Craft engine first used in the White Base, because that provides it's own thrust as well as cushioning. That isn't realized until the V2 though. Which requires significantly less thrust from fewer dedicated thrusters than even the normal V to achieve higher speed, because the Minovsky Craft engine does that instead. Yes, it's a clear tech line that ends at the Victory Gundams, specifically the V2 as you said. Though the Wings of Light themselves are basically magic with how much bullshit they can do
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War in the Pocket was sad  Now I gotta finish 0083, then decide what I wanna watch next. Maybe either Zeta or G Gundam which I have somehow never actually seen in full.
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Take a break from the UC and go G.
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tsob posted:I don't think I'd agree most of those are supposed to be viewed as messes in-universe. The Zeong maybe, though only insofar as "incomplete" counts as "a mess", which is kind of an odd way to define it in my opinion, but I don't think the Tieren or any of the non-star designs from Turn A are supposed to be viewed in universe as a mess. I'd think they're meant to be viewed more as designs focused on practicality and function first and foremost, rather than aesthetics; ugly perhaps, but not messy. Which isn't really the same thing. Perhaps I did the initial wording wrong. But all of those suits at least in my mind fill the role of 'these are deliberately supposed to look weird and terrible while still finding a way to be cool'. It's just that for the most part when Gundam goes for that sort of design they're usually casting them as the 'old clunkers', the stuff that's outclassed to hell by the new hotness (which is usually Gundams). The Xi and the Zeong come at the same sphere from a different direction, reflecting an unrefined and messy new thing rather than an old thing. It's late here and I'm struggling to find the words for how they're similar, but I guess I'd say that both kinds excel when they have a clear visual purpose; function clearly coming far before form as you said, but in a way that still gives them a cool design. To that end, the Xi fails because while it's kinda supposed to look like a purely practical piece of hardware to the point of clunkiness, it just doesn't come across.
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Midjack posted:Take a break from the UC and go G. Gaius Marius posted:Watch Zeta 
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I vote G. Get something a bit more upbeat to go with War in the Pocket as a balancer, rather than double down on misery.
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Ah, this is an OVA from the 90s, so we have to have a shower scene.
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0083 and Z are kind of a star wars prequel situation, I never really thought about what the better watch order is.
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Z first is better. Seeing axis in Z is better without the tease, and your imaginations path from MSG to Z is always going to be better than the nonsensical and melodramatic path taken in 0083
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there is never a question of watch order, it is always just follow production order
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dogsicle posted:there is never a question of watch order, it is always just follow production order it's this. regardless of where it fits in the in universe chronology, if another show was made first then that's what the newer show exists in the context of. whatever connection between them, the older show did not expect viewers to have seen something that didn't exist yet, while the newer show does/might
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Yeah, I'm not loving 0083 enough that I wouldn't mind popping away from it for a bit. I'll check out the beginnings of both Zeta and G.
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Production order really only matters for UC because none of the other alternate universes have the longevity for you to need awareness of earlier shows. Apart from maybe the SD shows but most of them suck.
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Waffleman_ posted:Yeah, I'm not loving 0083 enough that I wouldn't mind popping away from it for a bit. I'll check out the beginnings of both Zeta and G. Zeta and G are both fuckin awesome in completely different ways, 0083 is pretty mediocre except for the absolute bangers in the sound track.
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I mostly picked 0083 up because I liked The Winner lol
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If you're watching the English dub make sure to look up the first OP for zeta gundam, the English one is pretty lame.
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Gaius Marius posted:SD Gundam Force is easily top five Gundam if not number one. When one sees how the posters do as they please with Gundam recommendations it becomes apparent that they are more depraved then the Zabi family ever was!
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tired gay and dead posted:If you're watching the English dub make sure to look up the first OP for zeta gundam, the English one is pretty lame. I mean the english one is fine but it doesn't go full 80s like the original OP. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNZVb9IggJQ
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Gaius Marius posted:SD Gundam Force is easily top five Gundam if not number one. Tell me more
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Waffleman_ posted:Ah, this is an OVA from the 90s, so we have to have a shower scene. 0079 and zeta also have this it’s a thing.
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tired gay and dead posted:If you're watching the English dub make sure to look up the first OP for zeta gundam, the English one is pretty lame. I've seen a diversity of opinions on this over the years. The second Zeta OP is legit very good but the first one is....just kinda cheesy fun. But the dub OP of simply using one of the best songs from Zeta's awesome OST makes sense.
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I have gotten into Gunpla. Ordered Barbados Lupus Rex, Kimaris Vidar, OG Gundam, and Char’s Zaku II
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