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Shameproof: Mar 23, 2011

SNIPE What are some good programming blogs? I don't want to read a lot of things and I don't want to read any articles about how we are approaching intellectual doomsday by not using C or Lisp

# ? Jul 11, 2012 05:25

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 20:14

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple on pizzadog derangement syndrome

perl owns and if ur a perl guy in teh bay area get me ur resume

# ? Jul 11, 2012 06:35

CamH: Apr 11, 2008

idk there are a lot better things than perl

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:21

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple on pizzadog derangement syndrome

CamH posted:

idk there are a lot better things than perl

its hard to beat for text processing

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:22

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple on pizzadog derangement syndrome

but who ever does that, ugh

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:22

Star War Sex Parrot: Oct 2, 2003

does someone have a string that needs tokenizing?! :q:

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:23

CamH: Apr 11, 2008

rotor posted:

its hard to beat for text processing

i did write a bunch of perl scripts for that for maxim integrated products as an intern so i guess you're right? my boss made me use it

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:23

CamH: Apr 11, 2008

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

does someone have a string that needs tokenizing?!

what are you token about

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:24

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple on pizzadog derangement syndrome

come on cam, lets split

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:26

CamH: Apr 11, 2008

no, let's all join together

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:36

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple on pizzadog derangement syndrome

I'm going to explode

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:38

CamH: Apr 11, 2008

you go ahead and do that

i am about to chop off a piece of cake and go chomp away it

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:44

rotor: Jun 11, 2001; classic case of pineapple on pizzadog derangement syndrome

that's what she sed!! :xd:

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:48

CamH: Apr 11, 2008

lmao

# ? Jul 11, 2012 07:53

skeevy achievements: Feb 25, 2008; by merry exmarx

Shameproof posted:

SNIPE What are some good programming blogs? I don't want to read a lot of things and I don't want to read any articles about how we are approaching intellectual doomsday by not using C or Lisp

they don't exist

the best of them are resume builders for web 2.0 kids who take ideas from classic books like code complete and the pragmatic programmer, wrapped up with a phoney "real life" problem, a dash of some fotm language or buzzword, and presented as some sort of revolutionary original thinking

that said jobs exist for people who like this sort of thing, facebook's actively recruiting a few developer evangelist roles right now for example

# ? Jul 11, 2012 17:11

EVGA Longoria: Dec 25, 2005; Let's go exploring!

i'm having to give up my perl programming slowly as i take on more management :qq:

# ? Jul 11, 2012 19:05

Coffee Jones: Jul 4, 2004; 16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!

Dijkstracula posted:

before anybody defends it too hard just remember even smart people use them badly. Why do iostreams overload the shift operators for io operations, whyyyyy

And why does this appear in many beginning C++ books.
Let's teach a language:
Step 1: Here's a special case that's not used anywhere else.

Shameproof posted:

SNIPE What are some good programming blogs? I don't want to read a lot of things and I don't want to read any articles about how we are approaching intellectual doomsday by not using C or Lisp

rands in repose
43 folders

depends on what you're interested in. There's more attention paid to frameworks than outright languages.

# ? Jul 11, 2012 19:40

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

can we talk about operator overloading? why is it such a polarizing language feature? some folks say it's very helpful, others say it makes code more difficult to read and is the devil

what's the REAL STORY, yospos?

it's super boss in ruby because sometimes you make an object where "addition" makes sense and you just want to do "faaa" + "rrrrt" or 5 + 6 or [4, 5] + [6, 7] and all of that makes sense

# ? Jul 11, 2012 19:53

tef: May 30, 2004; -> some l-system crap ->

Internaut! posted:

Nice!

# ? Jul 11, 2012 19:53

Shameproof: Mar 23, 2011

I think I would appreciate a programming language that requires operator overloading to be declared in the form of a modifier, so you get

code:

public operating class Vector4
{
	//fart
}

or whatever

# ? Jul 11, 2012 22:03

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Shameproof posted:

I think I would appreciate a programming language that requires operator overloading to be declared in the form of a modifier, so you get
code:
public operating class Vector4
{
	//fart
}
or whatever

why

# ? Jul 11, 2012 22:04

Shameproof: Mar 23, 2011

Then I know right away from the declaration and the IDE that someone put operator overloads in it, plus it makes you think twice before doing it.
Of course I wouldn't want a whole language with that as it's only gimmick, or for a language to update and require it, but it would be nice if the C# guys had thought of it.

# ? Jul 11, 2012 22:14

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Shameproof posted:

Then I know right away from the declaration and the IDE that someone put operator overloads in it, plus it makes you think twice before doing it.
Of course I wouldn't want a whole language with that as it's only gimmick, or for a language to update and require it, but it would be nice if the C# guys had thought of it.

it's just extra syntax for something that's self evident (if the class has methods like "+" and "-" defined on it it overloads methods)

i'm sure you could make your ide look for that and warn infant babies like you accordingly

# ? Jul 11, 2012 22:25

Shameproof: Mar 23, 2011

what programming language most fits into the D&D archetype of "chaotic neutral" tia

# ? Jul 11, 2012 23:19

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Shameproof posted:

what programming language most fits into the D&D archetype of "chaotic neutral" tia

qbasic

# ? Jul 11, 2012 23:24

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

Sorry to ruin programming chat

jsninja.com posted:

JavaScript ... JavaScrriipt ... need ... JavaScriipt BRAAAIINNS!
Ensighten (Cupertino, California)
Posted:
June 20, 2012
Address:
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Cupertino, CA 95014
Occu:
Developers
Type:
Full-time
Simply Apply
Description:
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Qualifications:

Bachelors degree in Computer Science or equivalent experience

An academic focus on web development and technology (AJAX, CSS, JS)

Strong foundation in java script:
o Scope resolution
o Closures
o DOM
o Load time (perceived vs actual)
o Cross browser compatibility
o OOP principles

Familiarity with 3rd party JavaScript solutions:
o Web Analytics (Google, Omniture, WebTrends, etc)
o Page Optimization (Google Page Optimizer, Omniture Test & Target, etc)
o Marketing and Ad Serving

Familiarity with the JavaScript development community:
o Douglas Crockford (JSLint, JSMin, java script: The Good Parts)
o Ryan Dahl (Node.js), John Resig (jQuery, this site!), Dean Edward (Packer)
o Steven Souders (Google, Yahoo)
o Nicholas Zakas (High Performance JavaScript)

Who are these losers and why do I need to know them for a job?

# ? Jul 11, 2012 23:34

Shameproof: Mar 23, 2011

Zombie Ninja Monkey Cheese

# ? Jul 11, 2012 23:39

Peanut and the Gang: Aug 24, 2009; by exmarx

crockford is the javascript guy. he made json and wrote a lot about The Good Parts of javascript, which you should prob be familiar with. he also made jslint, which is a thing that forces you to write js code in a really strict style. employers like people who use jslint bc it "makes your code more readable"

ryan dahl made nodejs, which is server side js. lots of people say hes a retard. yospos usually spits out hearty lols at node, but i think its kind of neat.

john resig made jquery, which is the most used js framework and the one everyone uses

dean edwards made packer i guess? dunno why hes listed bc im pretty sure it was deteremined like 2 years ago that packer is dumb and it's actually better for the site user if you dont use it

i dont recognize the other guys names. they prob just wrote a lot about js and did boring tests and poo poo and said "you should use this thing b/c these benchmarks say so. the benchmarks! l@@k @ the benchmarks!!"

# ? Jul 12, 2012 00:07

CaptainMeatpants: Jun 1, 2010

lol, that whole thing just means "copy/paste some jquery stuff"

# ? Jul 12, 2012 00:08

CaptainMeatpants: Jun 1, 2010

also i don't think i could find a more stereotypical startup sounding job than that, jesus

# ? Jul 12, 2012 00:11

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

This is one of the things that always pissed me off about javascript.

code:

function hello(thing) {
  console.log(this + " says hello " + thing);
}
 
person = { name: "Brendan Eich" }
person.hello = hello;
 
person.hello("world") // still desugars to person.hello.call(person, "world")
 
hello("world") // "[object DOMWindow]world"

That's basically a fancy example that shows that this, when used within a function, does not refer to the parent of the function, but rather whatever the function just happens to be attached or passed to at the moment. Way to go JS! :thumbsup:

# ? Jul 12, 2012 00:28

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

javascript is so gross

# ? Jul 12, 2012 00:30

coaxmetal: Oct 21, 2010; I flamed me own dad

Shaggar posted:

javascript is so gross

# ? Jul 12, 2012 00:35

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Condiv posted:

That's basically a fancy example that shows that this, when used within a function, does not refer to the parent of the function, but rather whatever the function just happens to be attached or passed to at the moment. Way to go JS!

what do you mean by "parent?"

do you mean what it was first attached to?

why?

# ? Jul 12, 2012 00:39

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

BonzoESC posted:

what do you mean by "parent?"

do you mean what it was first attached to?

why?

I mean the object it was instantiated with. See below:

code:

function YOSPOS() {
  this.butt = 5;

  this.BITCH = function() {
    document.write(this.butt);
  };
}

function fn() {
  this.x = 0;
}

var x = new YOSPOS();
var y = new fn();

y.bitch = x.BITCH; 


x.BITCH(); // res: 5
y.bitch(); // res: undefined because this refers to y now.

# ? Jul 12, 2012 00:52

Cocoa Crispies: Jul 20, 2001; Vehicular Manslaughter!; Pillbug

Condiv posted:

I mean the object it was instantiated with. See below:

code:

function YOSPOS() {
  this.butt = 5;

  this.BITCH = function() {
    document.write(this.butt);
  };
}

function fn() {
  this.x = 0;
}

var x = new YOSPOS();
var y = new fn();

y.bitch = x.BITCH; 


x.BITCH(); // res: 5
y.bitch(); // res: undefined because this refers to y now.

why would you make that restriction?

it's more useful to have it not care about "this" until it's evaluated, that way you can attach it to other objects without having to re-instantiate it

# ? Jul 12, 2012 01:00

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Apr 17, 2007

php:

<?
"it's george costanza" ?>

lua ftw

# ? Jul 12, 2012 01:03

trex eaterofcadrs: Jun 17, 2005; My lack of understanding is only exceeded by my lack of concern.

rotor posted:

perl owns and if ur a perl guy in teh bay area get me ur resume

what do pl guys in the bay area make

trex eaterofcadrs fucked around with this message at 01:19 on Jul 12, 2012

# ? Jul 12, 2012 01:06

Condiv: May 7, 2008; Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod

BonzoESC posted:

why would you make that restriction?

it's more useful to have it not care about "this" until it's evaluated, that way you can attach it to other objects without having to re-instantiate it

What? When I define a function, I want it to react pretty predictably to inputs given. I'd rather not allow for a whole new set of errors to be allowed by having "this" resolve to whatever the function happens to have been assigned to at the moment.

# ? Jul 12, 2012 01:12

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# ? Jun 11, 2024 20:14

Opinion Haver: Apr 9, 2007

the best thing is when you're doing poo poo with a callback inside a function prototype and you have to do something like

JavaScript code:

Yospos.prototype.smoke = function(weed) {
    weed.smoke();
    var self = this;
    setTimeout(86400, function() { self.smoke(weed) });
}

# ? Jul 12, 2012 01:22

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