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I for one believe we need a sole power, the masses of both nobles and traders have proven that group government is a farce.
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Talas posted:
 This looks fun
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AJ_Impy posted:100% of the current religious Majil caucus have voted to do away with the Shi’ite ‘reformed Ulema’. If anyone wants to keep it and persist with staying Shi’a, they are keeping pretty quiet about it. When the revolution comes, the Sunni banners will come with it. The plurality has backed religion folding up and leaving the Majils entirely.
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 Greener Pastures Act Allah forgive me, but gently caress Al-Andalus. Pick up our toys and assume control of Juzur Qarbiya or less preferably, Ibriz (put this up to a vote if for some insane reason this is allowed or gains traction,) to tango with the likely imminent independent French/Moroccan/Celtic/English colonials. New world ahoy! Why Qarbiya? More interesting government type that lends itself well to goon discourse, pure and simple. And probably more challenging. If that's completely unfeasible, however, uhhhh... unwantedplatypus posted:
This.
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Talas posted:
Supported. We must do what is in the best interest of our
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unwantedplatypus posted:
Switching my support to this.
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AJ_Impy posted:You know what, I can work with this. Add in getting rid of the Sultan's unusual religious innovations and I'll back you up. Sounds like a deal. If the Greatest favored the heirs of Ali and they were righteous, we wouldn't be in this mess.
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Man, Al Andalus can never catch a break.
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really queer Christmas posted:
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Cowards and traitors here. Tsk tsk.
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 Session closed. Looks like the Taifas are bent on attempting to depose the Sultan and installing the Majlis as the only ruling body in Al Andalus. The Merchants might get in the way of that by essentially bankrupting the sultanate, not gonna be great for the Majlis as a whole with this. The Ulema are a bit of a mess, with some calling for complete disbandment of the clergy (for some reason), and others bent on launching a coup of their own and overthrowing the sultan. Finally, the Diwan seem to fine with the carnage all around them, and are most focused with getting through the oncoming storm in one piece.So yeah. This is gonna end well.  Luhood posted:I propose the Andalusi Reconstruction Act! We are to, in no specific order: Luhood, RZApublican. Lord Cyrahzax posted:The time has long passed for such half measures. Al-Andalus was betrayed during this war, not just by Hishami dogs or the Archduke of Sausage, but by our own Sultan! In a fit of pique and madness, he murdered our Grand Vizier, in the middle of a war! His position inspires every mad pretender and their mercenary legions! No more! The Majlis made a mistake with al-Muhsin, in accepting any Jizrunid to take the throne! I say no more! I propose: Lord Cyrahzax, Frionnel, Rodyle, ThatBasqueGuy, everydayfalls, Snipee. Soup du Jour posted:Proposing the Defense in Depth act, to upgrade all our forts to the highest level as soon as possible starting with those closest to our coastal borders. If possible, we should also have forts in every state at the least. Soup du Jour, GunnerJ. really queer Christmas posted:I propose The Burn it to the Ground Act of 1753 really queer Christmas, Crazycryodude, Technowolf. Talas posted:I propose the gently caress It, Take More Loans Act. Talas, QuoProQuid, Ralepozozaxe, Camoes, frankenfreak, Strange Forest, Ikasuhito. MaxieSatan posted:Friends, though I will not endorse their proposals MaxieSatan.  Slaan posted:I propose the Godless Heathens Act: Slaan, Chatrapati. Vinny Possum posted:Islamic Revolution act Vinny Possum, AJ_Impy. paragon1 posted:Hit the Books Act paragon1, Danny Glands. mcclay posted:Restoration of Order Act mcclay, Jeoh. unwantedplatypus posted:The Trial Act unwantedplatypus, Erwin the German, Pakled.
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Hey guys, I found out how this is going to end!
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Oct 27, 2017 21:41
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Nah it's going to be like this: 
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Oct 27, 2017 21:46
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This is actually how it will end up.
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I used my vote to flee to Ibriz. You guys can deal with this mess.
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I will note that my proposal was to work with the Taifa to overthrow the sultan, in exchange for a the clergy getting a seat at the table in the upcoming republic, not just trying to launch our own coup as the smallest faction. Really, it should end up like this. Vinny Possum fucked around with this message at 23:13 on Oct 27, 2017 |
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Vinny Possum posted:I will note that my proposal was to work with the Taifa to overthrow the sultan, in exchange for a the clergy getting a seat at the table in the upcoming republic, not just trying to launch our own coup as the smallest faction. Yeah, but that would be one-sided, so it doesn't really make sense. The Taifas are the largest faction, and so have little reason to make concessions to the smallest faction when they'll be the dominating influence/power anyways. That's why the largest factions aren't allowed to form coalitions with anyone else, because they have no reason to. Also, the size of the faction isn't the only consideration - the fact that most of Al Andalus is Sunni will also play a huge part, especially since the Majlis has done nothing to prevent the rise in religious tensions over recent decades. That said, if the Taifas' coup does somehow end up going exactly as they planned it (unlikely), then the whole Majlis will be represented anyways, since the Taifas didn't specify otherwise.
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Well, I dunno if the Taifas are gonna accept your help, they don't really need it being the biggest faction with the loyalty of the army and all. A couple marginalized minority priests don't have much power to demand concessions with, and there's been a pretty anti-clerical bent to the rhetoric so far.... E: Beaten by Hashim.
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Everytime we try and get our poo poo together we just get it wrecked, maybe this time against all odds things will go smoothly?
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Crazycryodude posted:Well, I dunno if the Taifas are gonna accept your help, they don't really need it being the biggest faction with the loyalty of the army and all. A couple marginalized minority priests don't have much power to demand concessions with, and there's been a pretty anti-clerical bent to the rhetoric so far.... We're not asking for concessions. We're bringing the Sunni majority with us. It's your party, we're just here for the ride.
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AJ_Impy posted:We're not asking for concessions. We're bringing the Sunni majority with us. It's your party, we're just here for the ride. Agreed, but I'm willing to go it solo if the Taifas won't have have us. Seems like since everyone is on Fight or Flight mode we might as well chose Fight.
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We're going full Zuhriman, because every Paradox LP comes back to the Hohenzollern thread in the end.
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If the sultan goes, you can sure as hell believe that the masses are going to go start looking for more blood
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Who knew that we could collapse even harder than OTL Spain?
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Well, if we are wrecking things when trying to succeed, maybe trying to wreck things will bring success!
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Why Al-Andalus is not Iberia In an attempt to consider how truly boned we are, I decided to go back and re-read the Zuhriman chapters of HohenLP. In 1760 in their timeline, relatively close to now, they also lost control of their Mexican colony, Mazula. However, unlike us, they still had colonies all over South America and in South Africa. They also lost their Louisiana colony. Comparatively, they were also the #3 Great Power compared to us, who are no longer even in the top 8. Narratively, they were an absolute monarchy, thus allowing their revolution to be very strong. Tactically, France was breaking into two countries, where as our Provence is nowhere near the power of Aquitaine. Morocco was also no allowed to consolidate power, making Iberia have no neighbours actually having a powerful enough army to rush them down. The other thing that Iberia had was another revolutionary country to back it up, namely revanchist France. As far as I can tell, they had no wars during their revolution, allowing them to rebuild. After all of these advantages, they still lost. We, comparatively, are doomed.
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I mean, i'm sure the Taifas would be willing to listen to the desires of the Ulema and try to work out a deal before shooting them down. Never a bad idea to have even more support.
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Uhhhh. So. If the revolutionary rebels come, we're totally surrendering, right? Can someone please tell me that we are not going to waste an obscene amount of time, money, energy, and lives trying to suppress our own project?
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Snipee posted:Uhhhh. So. If the revolutionary rebels come, we're totally surrendering, right? Can someone please tell me that we are not going to waste an obscene amount of time, money, energy, and lives trying to suppress our own project? Hahahhaha
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Snipee posted:Uhhhh. So. If the revolutionary rebels come, we're totally surrendering, right? Can someone please tell me that we are not going to waste an obscene amount of time, money, energy, and lives trying to suppress our own project? You just need to trust in the Taifas. Revolution from above, baby
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All that I wanted to do was to help usher in the Islamic communist revolution. That's all that many of us have ever wanted. 
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Snipee posted:Uhhhh. So. If the revolutionary rebels come, we're totally surrendering, right? Can someone please tell me that we are not going to waste an obscene amount of time, money, energy, and lives trying to suppress our own project? Why would the Sultan not slaughter people trying to take his throne away?
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Wait, did you guys seriously think he was gonna surrender to revolutionary rebels? oh jesus this is gonna end badly
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That does generally seem to be how things go in Al-Andalus.
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What? No, I voted for the glorious militarist noble revolution! The Taifas are going to get rid of that gross war-losing hunchback and remake Al-Andalus in our image!
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