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fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
if this was in WWE they would have stared at each other and then locked up

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Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

Kaito has lost his poo poo lmao

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
this is so good

I hope Kenoh never recovers

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
nuts Kenoh got a shot in

I was hoping that there would be zero aggression

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Guys, I'm worried that Kenoh might be in a bad mood now!

Pylons
Mar 16, 2009

Kaito was going nuts in that match. Need more of that Kaito.

apophenium
Apr 14, 2009

Ziggy Tzardust posted:

As someone who doesn’t watch much NOAH, how hyped should I be about seeing Seiki Yoshioka next week?

https://x.com/revprouk/status/1778365322984136961?s=46&t=_akPFYiqAqKbxYd3RPf4Jg

He's been doing matches in AJPW and is a decent worker. He does a really cool jumping axe kick.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Christ but time flies. Feels like only yesterday I was writing up last weeks schedule, but alas, here is another one. Not exactly a week filled with the biggest matches, the weekend in particular is a bit on the thin side, with both Dragongate & Stardom not even having up lineups for their Sunday shows (Stardom at least put up one for their Saturday show this morning, wasn't there 16 hours ago). The big show on Sunday is probably Sendai Girls in Korakuen, which is a PPV and so I have no idea how that impacts any potential Wrestle Universe upload. I do know that in the past PPV matches don't always make it onto the Sendai Girls Youtube channel :shrug: Other than that there's a weird Stronghearts produce show from GLEAT.

The week at least has some consequential stuff, Evolution are back, GLEAT bring back the LIDET UWF show, which is a much needed treat, their original strength was the variety of the show, rather than just being a less good Dragongate. The Champion Carnival opens up at Korakuen Hall with Ren Ayabe facing off against Kento & Hokuto Omori vs Shotaro Ashino in my pick of the show. And then on Friday we have the unpredictable craziness of a Hyper Misao produce show that won't feature Hyper Misao because she's hurt.

Also, talking of injuries, was checking Dramatic DDT & they had some injury news: apparently Hideki Okatani had been working with an ACL tear so he'll be out for a while. On the bright side, both Keigo Nakamura & Yuki Ishida are expected back from their injuries over the next month.

13/4/2024, Saturday

12:30pm JST/2:30pm AEDT/4:30am BST/11:30pm EDT/8:30pm PDT

TJPW Live Tour Spring Night 4
Kitazawa Town Hall, Tokyo
Uta Takami vs Yuki Kamifuku
Haru Kazashiro & Runa Okubo vs Mizuki & Nao Kakuta
Chika Nanase, Raku & Rika Tatsumi vs Kira Summer, Mahiro Kiryu & Toga
Arisu Endo, Miu Watanabe & Suzume vs HIMAWARI, Shoko Nakajima & Wakana Uehara
Juria Nagano vs Moka Miyamoto
Juria Nagano, Kaya Toribami & Moka Miyamoto vs Pom Harajuku, Shino Suzuki & Yuki Aino
Live on Wrestle Universe

1pm JST/3pm AEDT/5am BST/12am EDT/9pm PDT

Stardom In Numazu
Kiramesse Numazu Multipurpose Hall, Numazu
Lady C vs Ranna Yagami
Fukigen Death vs Rian
Aya Sakura, Sayaka Kurara & Yuna Mizumori vs God's Eye (Ami Sourei, Saki Kashima & Syuri)
Crazy Star (Mei Seira & Suzu Suzuki) & Queen's Quest (Miyu Amasaki & Saya Kamitani) vs STARS (Hazuki, Koguma, Mayu Iwatani & Momo Kohgo)
Empress Nexus Venus (Maika, Waka Tsukiyama & Xena) vs Oedo Tai (Momo Watanabe, Natsuko Tora & Ruaka)
Cosmic Angels (Natsupoi & Tam Nakano) vs STARS (Hanan & Saya Iida)
Uploaded to Stardom World at some unknown point

5pm JST/7pm AEDT/9am BST/4am EDT/1am PDT

DDT Dramatic Dream Tour 2024 In Fukuoka
Nishitetsu Hall, Fukuoka
Danshoku Dieno & Sanshiro Takagi vs Kazuma Sumi & Toru Owashi
Kazuki Hirata & Soma Takao vs To-y & Yukio Naya
Burning (Tetsuya Endo, Yuki Iino & Yuya Koroku) vs Schadenfreude Intl. (Chris Brookes & Takeshi Masada) & Tomomitsu Matsunaga
Damnation TA (Daisuke Sasaki & KANON) vs Jun Akiyama & Rukiya
O-40 Title: Azul Dragon vs Makoto Oishi
37KAMIINA (MAO, Shunma Katsumata & Yuki Ueno) vs Akito, HARASHIMA & Kota Umeda)
Uploaded later to Wrestle Universe

6:30pm JST/8:30pm AEDT/10:30am BST/5:30am EDT/2:30am PDT

Gatoh Move Road To Korakuen Challengers
Kitazawa Town Hall, Tokyo
Choun Shiryu & Yoneyamakao vs Erii Kanae & Hoshitango
Antonio Honda, Mochi Natsumi & Tokiko Kirihara vs Chie Koishikawa, Sayaka & Yuko Sakurai
Baliyan Akki vs Shuichiro Katsumura
Mizuki vs Sayaka Obihiro
Black Menso-re & Sawasdee Kamen vs Emi Sakura & Masahiro Takanashi
Mei Suruga vs SAKI
Uploaded to Youtube later

Also shows from Kyushu Pro, Ice Ribbon, BJW, Osaka Pro, Dragongate, Secret Base & Heat-Up

14/4/2024, Sunday

11:30am JST/1:30pm AEDT/3:30am BST/10:30pm EDT/7:30pm PDT

Sendai Girls In Korakuen
Korakuen Hall, Tokyo
YUNA vs Yura Suzuki
Miyuki Takase vs Sakura Hirota
Chi Chi, Hiroyo Matsumoto & ZONES vs Manami, Ryo Mizunami & Saori Anou
Sareee vs Yurika Oka
Kuroshio TOKYO Japan & Seigo Tachibana vs Team 200kg (Chihiro Hashimoto & Yuu)
Hardcore Match: DASH Chisako vs Unagi Sayaka
Sendai Girls World Title: Mika Iwata(c) vs VENY
Live PPV on Zaiko. Hopefully uploaded to Wrestle Universe later

1pm JST/3pm AEDT/5am BST/12am EDT/9pm PDT

Dragongate Gate of Passion Show 2
ACROS, Fukuoka
Card TBA
Live on Dragongate Network

Pro Wrestling NOAH Sunny Voyage Show 21
Shinagawa Prince Hotel Club eX, Tokyo
Ulka Sasaki vs Yu Owada
Junta Miyawaki vs Kenoh
Atsushi Kotoge vs Jake Lee
Alejandro vs El Hijo del Dr Wagner Jr
Naomichi Marufuji vs Ryohei Oiwa
Kaito Kiyomiya vs Shuji Kondo
Uploaded later to Wrestle Universe

Stardom in Hamamatsu
Act City, Hamamatsu
Card TBA
Uploaded to Stardom World at some unknown point

2pm JST/4pm AEDT/6am BST/1am EDT/10pm PDT

DDT Shibushi Meat & Fish Battle @ Unagi Station
"Unagi Station" Special Venue, Shibushi
Danshoku Dieno vs Kazuma Sumi
Damnation TA (Daisuke Sasaki & KANON) vs Kazuki Hirata & Yukio Naya
Jun Akiyama & Sanshiro Takagi vs Takeshi Masada & Rukiya
37KAMIINA (MAO, To-y & Yuki Ueno) vs Burning (Tetsuya Endo, Yuki Iino & Yuya Koroku)
Yamada Suisan Fish Army vs Maruto Poultry Chicken Army Final Showdown!: Chris "The Falcon" Brookes, Makoto "Mr Chicken" Oishi & Shunma "El Turkey" Katsumata vs Shishamo Power, Super Unagi Mask & Unagi Mask
Uploaded later to Wrestle Universe

GLEAT STRONGHEARTS presents Action Daimao
Stella Hall, Osaka
Go Miyake vs Hayato Tamura
BGI (Kaito Ishida & Tetsuya Izuchi) vs Koji Iwamoto & Seichi Ikemoto
Beauty Kawakami & Shiigeko DX vs Hartley Jaiko & Michigoro
KAZMA SAKAMOTO vs Yukimitsu Takahashi
Kuma Arashi & Quiet Storm vs Magnitude Kishiwada & Seiki Yoshioka
Issei Onitsuka vs Takehiro Yamamura
CIRruMA, Shiryu & Tanaka Minoryu vs Pegaso Iluminar, Ramen Taisho & Tonsho Iluminar
El Lindaman vs T-Hawk
Almost certainly live on their Youtube, but otherwise uploaded later in the week

Tokyo Joshi Pro Gaisenzakura Pro Wrestling
Shinjo Village Outdoor Ring, Shinjo
Mizuki vs Pom Harajuku
Haru Kazashiro vs Miu Watanabe
Arisu Endo & Mahiro Kiryu vs Nao Kakuta & Rika Tatsumi
Aja Kongo & Raku vs Shoko Nakajima & Yuki Aino
Uploaded later to Wrestle Universe

5pm JST/7pm AEDT/9am BST/4am EDT/1am PDT

Dragongate Gate of Passion Show 3
ACROS, Fukuoka
Card TBA
Live on Dragongate Network

5:30pm JST/7:30pm AEDT/9:30am BST/4:30am EDT/1:30am PDT

Pro Wrestling NOAH Sunny Voyage Show 22
Shinagawa Prince Hotel Club eX, Tokyo
Kenoh vs Yu Owada
Alpha Wolf vs Hajime Ohara vs Ninja Mack
Daiki Inaba vs Takashi Sugiura
GLG (Anthony Greene & Tadasuke) vs Team NOAH (Go Shiozaki & Hi69)
Alejandro, Junta Miyawaki & Kaito Kiyomiya vs Stinger (Daga & Yoshinari Ogawa) & Ulka Sasaki
Masa Kitamiya vs Ryohei Oiwa
El Hijo del Dr Wagner Jr, HAYATA & Naomichi Marufuji vs GLG (Jack Morris, Jake Lee & YO-HEY)
Uploaded later to Wrestle Universe

Also shows from Osaka Pro, FMW-E, 2AW, BJW, Freedoms, Dotonbori Pro, JWP, Wave & Actwres girlZ

15/4/2024, Monday

7pm JST/9pm AEDT/11am BST/6am EDT/3am PDT

Pro Wrestling NOAH Monday Magic Season 2 Episode 3
Shinjuku FACE, Tokyo
GHC Hardcore Title: Ninja Mack(c) vs Alpha Wolf
GHC Tag Team Titles: GLG (Anthony Greene & Jack Morris) vs X
Rest of card TBA
Live on Wrestle Universe

Also shows from BJW & Dragongate

16/4/2024, Tuesday

7pm JST/9pm AEDT/11am BST/6am EDT/3am PDT

Evolution Vol.13
Shin-Kiba 1stRING, Tokyo
Aki Shizuku & Flying Penguin vs Cherry & Riara
Megumi Yabushita & Unagi Sayaka vs Momoka Hanazono & Uta Shima
Daichi Sato vs Dan Tamura
Ayame Sasamura vs Soy
Chi Chi vs Kohaku
Winner of Match 1 vs Winner Match 2
Takumi Iroha vs ZONES
Possibly live on Evolution Fan Club service

Also shows from BJW & Dragongate

17/4/2024, Wednesday

6:30pm JST/8:30pm AEDT/10:30am BST/5:30am EDT/2:30am PDT

GLEAT LIDET UWF Ver.4
Shinjuku FACE, Tokyo
UWF Rules: Tetsuya Izuchi vs Yutaka Kobayashi
UWF Rules: Hartley Jackson & Kaito Kotaro Suzuki vs Hideki Shrek Sekine & Takatoshi Matsumoto
UWF Rules: Maya Fukuda vs Yura Suzuki
UWF Rules: Dan Tamura & Soma Watanabe vs Minoru Tanaka & Takuya Wada
UWF Rules: Masakatsu Funaki vs Yu Iizuka
UWF Rules: Kaz Hayashi & Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Kendo Kashin & Minoru Suzuki
UWF Rules: Hikaru Sato vs Takanori Ito
Almost certainly live on their Youtube, but otherwise uploaded later in the week

Also shows from BJW, 2AW & JTO

18/4/2024, Thursday

6:30pm JST/8:30pm AEDT/10:30am BST/5:30am EDT/2:30am PDT

All Japan Champion Carnival Night 1
Korakuen Hall, Tokyo
Dan Tamura & Ryo Inoue vs Rising HAYATO & Seigo Tachibana
Cyrus, Hideki Suzuki & MUSASHI vs Hartley Jackson, Kuroshio TOKYO Japan & Ryuji Hijikata
Champion Carnival A Block: Davey Boy Smith Jr vs Yuma Aoyagi
Champion Carnival A Block: Kento Miyahara vs Ren Ayabe
Champion Carnival A Block: Hokuto Omori vs Shotaro Ashino
Champion Carnival B Block: Jun Saito vs Yuma Anzai
Champion Carnival B Block: Rei Saito vs Suwama
Champion Carnival B Block: Road Crewe vs Ryuki Honda
Match order TBC
Live on AJPW TV

Also shows from BJW & YMZ

19/4/2024, Friday

6:30pm JST/8:30pm AEDT/10:30am BST/5:30am EDT/2:30am PDT

TJPW Presents Hyper Misao Produce ~ Hype 2
Kitazawa Town Hall, Tokyo
Card TBA
Live on Wrestle Universe

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
𝅘𝅥𝅮
I've FINALLY figured out Kenoh's weird place in my brain.

He has the head of a Ken doll.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jason Lee's new look is great. And I like the idea that he's a heel now so no longer covers up the forearm tattoo.

Shun's new mask is cool too

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
what the gently caress is going on with this DDT x Pro Handball Team crossover thing they were advertising on April Fool?

great fuckin show btw, can't-miss main event but a super fun undercard too

SatoshiMiwa
May 6, 2007


Osamu Nishimura's cancer has come back :(

SG Bamboo
Aug 21, 2013

Smile. Win. Yay!

Yet another DDT lol

https://twitter.com/misterhakusan/status/1778663726142681462

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI

I watch AEW weekly (pretty much dynamite only, sometimes collision, and the papes) with my son, and we pretty much love it. We’ve watched from the start and, although it has had its ups and downs, we’re enjoying it.

Prior to that I was into NJPW a little bit (probably why I started watching AEW honestly) but I was never a die hard fan.

I can’t stomach WWE although I watched WWF as a kid in the late 80s and early 90s and it worked for me then.

I am mystified by all of the different Japanese promotions, and wonder how I might dip my toe in.

All I’ve seen in the past is videos of Ibushi fighting a doll and also getting fireworks shot at him, as well as some women fighting in a tiny padded room. I’m okay with this level of variety, and don’t really require a traditional experience, which is probably why I am not attracted to NJPW right now. It seems like many of the people I enjoyed in that promotion are in AEW now anyway. A traditional setting is perfectly fine though, but it isn’t a requirement or anything.

I’m concerned about not speaking or reading any Japanese at all. Ideally there would be English subtitles in something, or at least for the more important shows. Or a timely blog with some explanations.

I don’t mind signing up for streaming services or whatever.

What might be a good fit for something to check out that might only require an hour or two a week?

This thread is long so I’m sure there are good answers to this already, so I apologize for that. :)

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

The absolute best value for money deal you can get for Japanese wrestling is Wrestle Universe which includes a number of promotions for 1298 YEN a month (incredible value) but primarily:

NOAH - The "serious" promotion, #2 behind New Japan in Japan, has its issues particularly around some baffling booking decisions at times but overall delivers very good quality and hard-hitting wrestling.
DDT - The "goofy" promotion that does a ton of comedy, but usually has far more serious matches at the top of the card with some truly excellent wrestlers. This is where you will have seen stuff like wrestling a blow-up doll.
TJPW - DDT's sister promotion, the second biggest women's wrestling promotion in Japan behind Stardom (which itself is arguably the 2nd biggest wrestling promotion in all of Japan) - does a mixture of comedy and serious, has some great characters, excellent wrestlers, and some of the best loving theme songs going.

NOAH's big shows regularly have English commentary. DDT will also often do English commentary, though their teams mix up and range from great (anytime Chris Brookes and Baliyan Akki get together is a treat) to serviceable to not very good. TJPW sometimes but not often does English commentary. Both DDT and TJPW will often get live English translations going on Twitter, though I don't recall the specific addresses sorry - the guy who used to do TJPW regularly, Mr. Haku, moved on to other things though he does do live commentary on some of Chris Brookes' "Baka-Gaijin" Shows that also air on Wrestle Kingdom.

Others can tell you more about the other promotions on the service, like Sendai Girls and Ganbare Pro, but the point is that WU is astonishingly good value for money.

There's also All Japan, which was THE promotion in the 1990s and still exists today albeit with entirely different owners and is far, far smaller than its heyday. However it gets regularly talked up for the quality of its matches, and you can get a membership account there for their streaming service for (I think) 900 yen a month.

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI

Jerusalem posted:

The absolute best value for money deal you can get for Japanese wrestling is Wrestle Universe which includes a number of promotions for 1298 YEN a month (incredible value) but primarily:

NOAH - The "serious" promotion, #2 behind New Japan in Japan, has its issues particularly around some baffling booking decisions at times but overall delivers very good quality and hard-hitting wrestling.
DDT - The "goofy" promotion that does a ton of comedy, but usually has far more serious matches at the top of the card with some truly excellent wrestlers. This is where you will have seen stuff like wrestling a blow-up doll.
TJPW - DDT's sister promotion, the second biggest women's wrestling promotion in Japan behind Stardom (which itself is arguably the 2nd biggest wrestling promotion in all of Japan) - does a mixture of comedy and serious, has some great characters, excellent wrestlers, and some of the best loving theme songs going.

NOAH's big shows regularly have English commentary. DDT will also often do English commentary, though their teams mix up and range from great (anytime Chris Brookes and Baliyan Akki get together is a treat) to serviceable to not very good. TJPW sometimes but not often does English commentary. Both DDT and TJPW will often get live English translations going on Twitter, though I don't recall the specific addresses sorry - the guy who used to do TJPW regularly, Mr. Haku, moved on to other things though he does do live commentary on some of Chris Brookes' "Baka-Gaijin" Shows that also air on Wrestle Kingdom.

Others can tell you more about the other promotions on the service, like Sendai Girls and Ganbare Pro, but the point is that WU is astonishingly good value for money.

There's also All Japan, which was THE promotion in the 1990s and still exists today albeit with entirely different owners and is far, far smaller than its heyday. However it gets regularly talked up for the quality of its matches, and you can get a membership account there for their streaming service for (I think) 900 yen a month.

Thank you. I appreciate the write-up. I imagine the promotions mentioned don't have weekly shows, but more like NJPW where it might be a series of house shows, and bigger shows sometimes?

I suppose a good bet would be to follow forkboy84's posts here and pick a promotion and just start watching something, huh...

Do any of those mentioned above have both men/women? Or even inter-gender matches? Just curious

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


DDT will have intergender matches from time to time. I advise anyone who hasn't seen it to watch the Akito / VENY single light tube death match. Ganbare will, too. But many Japanese promotions are either single gender or do not mix genders.


The match in question https://youtu.be/GSrH4TuKq1I?si=AM_n8GTDNPEBt8BN

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Chinook posted:

I watch AEW weekly (pretty much dynamite only, sometimes collision, and the papes) with my son, and we pretty much love it. We’ve watched from the start and, although it has had its ups and downs, we’re enjoying it.

Prior to that I was into NJPW a little bit (probably why I started watching AEW honestly) but I was never a die hard fan.

I can’t stomach WWE although I watched WWF as a kid in the late 80s and early 90s and it worked for me then.

I am mystified by all of the different Japanese promotions, and wonder how I might dip my toe in.

All I’ve seen in the past is videos of Ibushi fighting a doll and also getting fireworks shot at him, as well as some women fighting in a tiny padded room. I’m okay with this level of variety, and don’t really require a traditional experience, which is probably why I am not attracted to NJPW right now. It seems like many of the people I enjoyed in that promotion are in AEW now anyway. A traditional setting is perfectly fine though, but it isn’t a requirement or anything.

I’m concerned about not speaking or reading any Japanese at all. Ideally there would be English subtitles in something, or at least for the more important shows. Or a timely blog with some explanations.

I don’t mind signing up for streaming services or whatever.

What might be a good fit for something to check out that might only require an hour or two a week?

This thread is long so I’m sure there are good answers to this already, so I apologize for that. :)

Nah, never apologise for posting! This thread dates back 18 years, only a mad person would even try to read through it!

There's never been a better time to get into Japanese wrestling, in the sense that it's so affordable.

Let me try to summarise this quickly to not overwhelm with information all at once. I'll try not to list them in my order of preference but more the general approachability.

  • New Japan - Well, you know them. All their big Japan shows go up on NJPW World, it costs $9.99/month, they have English commentary for most their shows with Chris Charlton doing live translation, which I think is about the most approachable way of getting into Japanese wrestling, just as far as convenience, between the live English commentary & also they upload backstage promos with subtitles to Youtube if you want that. It's kind of inessential but often fun.
  • NOAH - NOAH is another company that regularly has English commentary, although I generally don't think their commentary team is as good as NJPW or DG. Stewart Fulton is alright, but Mark Pickering is a dweeb & G-Man is incredibly annoying. NOAH is also...I think it'd be fair to say that it's currently a divisive promotion, there's some amazing talent on the roster, there's some right duffers too, & the booking is sometimes very strange, to the point of frustration. See anything they do with who should be their current great ace, Kaito Kiyomiya, who they spent a year jobbing him out to old men who were friends of Great Muta. The great advantage of NOAH is they are on Wrestle Universe, which is easily the best value for money wrestling streaming service as it also has DDT, TJPW, Ganbare Pro, as well as some ZERO1, Michinoku Pro & Sendai Girls shows. And the occasional indy show too, like last month there was a CMLL women's show in Japan they aired, there are some older Promienence shows, & the incredibly silly Miyako Matsumoto produce shows Gake No Fuchi Joshi Pro.
  • Dragongate - DG have English commentary for their monthly Korakuen Hall shows & their bigger named shows (like most Japanese groups they do a touring schedule. So right now they have started The Gate of Passion Tour & that leads up to Dead Or Alive on May 5th, which is one of "the Big 5", DG's equivalent of Royal Rumble, Mania, Summerslam & Survivor Series you could say). So far in 2024 there were 3 English commentary shows in January, 1 in Feb, 3 in March & probably 1 in April looking at the schedule. There are other shows they stream (they usually do a loop of the same venues that get streamed from, & then the non-streamed house shows are often in the boonies) but they usually have no commentary or commentary from the wrestlers which is obviously in Japanese. Most of the big story development will happen on shows that have English commentary, & it also has to be said that Jae Church is excellent in his role, he really does knock it out of the park, before he started doing commentary for them he had a DG fan site for a long time, he's probably the single most knowledgeable DG fan who isn't native Japanese & his regular partner Ho Ho Lun is an endearing side kick who does quite well in the role of "I really didn't know much about this company before I started wrestling here". There's downsides, Dragongate Network is a little pricier at 1650 Yen a month (currently about $10.75). But I would add that I think they are maybe my top promotion so far this year.
  • DDT - I mentioned DDT are on the same streaming service as NOAH, but they are very different promotions. NOAH is serious Japanese wrestling, the legacy of Giant Bana & Mitsuhara Misawa. DDT is a company that started as a tiny indy in 1997 & is now not an indie at all but run by a huge Japanese media company. But they've still managed to retain a lot of their weirdness that makes them unique. DDT is most famous for a couple of things: comedy & Kota Ibushi. If you've ever seen gifs of Minoru Suzuki fighting in a river with a robotic mummy? DDT. They have run multiple matches in the Tokyo Dome, except every time they do it it's without a crowd & usually features an assortment of wrestlers getting in the way of the match, like you're brawling in the seating & there's Aja Kong! And you bump into her so she gets mad and beats everyone up. It's not all comedy, they have a lot of great wrestlers, the most prominent past examples being Kota Ibushi & Konosuke Takeshita, but there's a whole host of guys who are really really good alongside the guys who are really funny. Some even manage to be both. DDT really leans into the variety show aspect of wrestling, on a recent show they had an intergender grappling match featuring a former MMA world champion, Shinya Aoki, there was another show that had a bloody deathmatch, one of their most famous & best matches ever was a lighttube match, where the gimmick was there was a single light in the ring and you had to try to make your opponent break it. It's an absolute masterclass in pro wrestling. They don't really have English commentary very much but there is a fantastic fansite called Dramatic DDT that has show reports that will summarise anything you can't understand.

There are many, many other companies, far too many to be honest, but I think those are the most approachable companies from a "I like wrestling but am intimidated by the language barrier" perspective. I love All Japan for example but I don't know how approachable they are. I'd also say that Stardom used to be quite good for having short subtitled promos before each match but they dropped that during the pandemic, it's a bit of a bummer. Excellent promotion though.

Those are I think the easiest to follow. The thing I'd also say is that once you get used to things, know who the wrestlers are, don't be afraid to switch to the Japanese commentary. I speak as little Japanese as you, & when I first watched puroresu I found the language barrier to be a big sticking point. I remember watching one of the AJPW '90s matches that are highly touted and I just didn't know which one was Kawada, Taue, Misawa or Kobashi & I felt lost. But once I'd established that orange tights was Kobashi etc it all got a lot easier to care.

The best thing to do honestly? A lot of stuff is available online on free Youtube-like sites. Sample things, maybe the Dragongate style isn't for you for example. I think though based on what you've said have a look at DDT & at Dragongate first of all.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 12:27 on Apr 13, 2024

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

forkboy's write-up just reminded me of a couple years back when DDT did one of their empty Tokyo Dome matches, and it was teams from NOAH, DDT and TJPW wrestling throughout the building for a cash prize. When it finally got down to the last two teams and they were going at it, a representative from Tokyo Dome came over to congratulate the GM on a wonderful show and then gave him the bill for hiring the venue. The GM didn't have the money to pay it so he gave the guy the cash prize and then ran away as the show went off the air while the wrestlers were still fighting for it :allears:

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI

Jerusalem posted:

forkboy's write-up just reminded me of a couple years back when DDT did one of their empty Tokyo Dome matches, and it was teams from NOAH, DDT and TJPW wrestling throughout the building for a cash prize. When it finally got down to the last two teams and they were going at it, a representative from Tokyo Dome came over to congratulate the GM on a wonderful show and then gave him the bill for hiring the venue. The GM didn't have the money to pay it so he gave the guy the cash prize and then ran away as the show went off the air while the wrestlers were still fighting for it :allears:

I must admit that everything I'm reading so far makes me think that perhaps DDT is the promotion for me. I will check out lots of stuff on Youtube to get a feel for each of the promotions mentioned, though.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Jerusalem posted:

forkboy's write-up just reminded me of a couple years back when DDT did one of their empty Tokyo Dome matches, and it was teams from NOAH, DDT and TJPW wrestling throughout the building for a cash prize. When it finally got down to the last two teams and they were going at it, a representative from Tokyo Dome came over to congratulate the GM on a wonderful show and then gave him the bill for hiring the venue. The GM didn't have the money to pay it so he gave the guy the cash prize and then ran away as the show went off the air while the wrestlers were still fighting for it :allears:

God that was wonderful. The perfect ending to what was an extremely fun match.

Chinook posted:

I must admit that everything I'm reading so far makes me think that perhaps DDT is the promotion for me. I will check out lots of stuff on Youtube to get a feel for each of the promotions mentioned, though.

Just to make it easier for you, here's a link to the most recent Dragongate show: https://vk.com/video-4499945_456252890

It's the semi-finals & finals of their tag tournament, though there's other good stuff on there too, setting up the main event of Dead or Alive for example. I just started the video at the beginning, because you get Jae & Ho Ho talking about the card & what's happened in the tournament & the ongoing stories, but if you just want to go right to the start of the show proper then skip to about 25 minutes in, give or take a few seconds.

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI

forkboy84 posted:

God that was wonderful. The perfect ending to what was an extremely fun match.

Just to make it easier for you, here's a link to the most recent Dragongate show: https://vk.com/video-4499945_456252890

It's the semi-finals & finals of their tag tournament, though there's other good stuff on there too, setting up the main event of Dead or Alive for example. I just started the video at the beginning, because you get Jae & Ho Ho talking about the card & what's happened in the tournament & the ongoing stories, but if you just want to go right to the start of the show proper then skip to about 25 minutes in, give or take a few seconds.

Oh wow, that "vk" site kinda has everything, doesn't it?

I will watch it. Thank you for the suggestion!

I'm also watching these videos, which are pretty awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuhHTjjnbxs

Erin M. Fiasco
Mar 21, 2013

Nothing's better than postin' in the morning!



DDT is great for the comedy and energy but it also has Chris Brookes and MAO who are absolutely awesome :hai: A lovely wrestling company through and through.

mariooncrack
Dec 27, 2008
Is there a an easy way to watch stardom? Kind of interested after the big ROH 6 womens match.

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
The women wrestling in a padded room is ChocoPro/Gatoh Move (which is probably the place you'll see the most intergender) and I'll use it as an excuse to talk about Japanese women's wrestling, or Joshi, in general.

Basically, in the 40s and 50s Mildred Burke went on a massive run through various countries touring women's wrestling after having made it big in America. Although American wrestling promoters managed to kill serious women's wrestling in the States, in Japan it set off a mini-boom of enthusiasm for women's wrestling. It soften in the 60s and a lot of promotions died but in the 70s, one promotion All Japan Women's Wrestling (or AJW) managed to get a tv deal and packaged a tag team as both wrestlers and pop singers which lit the fuse for a successive series of increasingly larger booms focused on the promotion until the mid 90s. The late 80s team of the Crush Girls (another wrestling/pop idol combo) was bigger in popularity than Hulk Hogan. AJW's wrestling is and was some of the very best wrestling by men or women to ever exist.

AJW had very restrictive entrance requirements and rules for active wrestlers (most notably forced retirement at 26) which lead to a spate of competing promotions forming in the late 80s. These promotions started dying in the early 90s and AJW had a series of amazing inter-promotional shows culminating in the 10 hour long Big Egg Wrestling Universe in front of 32,000 fans. The Japanese economic crash and end of kayfabe hit all promotions in Japan, albeit with different effects, but AJW began to suffer the consequences of ill advised real estate ventures from its owners. They had also lost much of their female fan base that had lead to their late 80s success and a lot of their booking and locker room culture relied on there being a surplus of interested trainees willing to suffer the often brutal and humiliating effects of both. With declining profits and top stars reaching the forced retirement age, new promotions sprang up once again.

Neither AJW nor its major competitors (Gaea, Arison, or the first iteration of Neo Ladies Pro-Wrestling) would survive past 2005. The years of the first decade of the Millennium are known among fans as the Joshi Dark Ages. 2000 took down Neo. In 2002, AJW lost its tv deal. Gaea and Arison closed their doors in 2003. AJW finally folded in 2005.There were signs of survival and strength though especially at the end of the decade, the second iteration of Neo Ladies was going strong as Neo Women's Wrestling, there were promotions that had managed to cling on through the 90s and 00s like JWP and Oz Academy, and the creation of ultra-local promotions like Sendai Girls.

The true paradigm shift and revival came with a small training promotion called Ice Ribbon. Originally promoted as a spin off from Neo. Ice Ribbon focused on showcasing very young and green wrestlers, non traditional venues, and a pop idol aesthetic updated to the Akihabara 48 era. AEW wrestlers like Riho and Hikaru Shida came from here. Ice Ribbon proved to be economically successful with weekly shows to 70 people, it was only time before others decided to create more scaled up versions. From 2010 or so, apart from Neo and JWP folding in 2010 and 2015, there's an era of relative stability and growing interest in Joshi wrestling. And some ten to thirteen years later this stability leads to Stardom (founded 2010) becoming the number two promotion in Japan.

Here's where the current Joshi scene sorts between the athletic focused AJW inspired promotions and the more AKB48-style idol Ice Ribbon inspired promotions, while acknowledging that most have some measure of influence from both.

  • Stardom: Created by former AJW big wig Rossy Ogawa as Ice Ribbon but with a greater focus on aestheticism and work rate. Bought by Bushiroad (NJPW's owners) after a threatened WWE buy out, Rossy has now left acrimoniously to found his own promotion. They have their own streaming service, good translations and high production value.
  • Ice Ribbon: A shadow of its former self. Currently in rebuilding mode after numerous splits, departures, and controversies. Aficionados say the product is still high quality. Do not expect to find much English language support but it exists.
  • Marvelous That's Women Pro Wrestling: AJW on a more sustainable Ice Ribbon level. Founded and run by one half of the Crush gals. Expect hard hitting athleticism with a bit of goofiness. The work-rate is very high here.
  • Oz Academy: An AJW heel faction turned promotion which runs infrequent shows. Great in ring but many find the emphasis on heel interference annoying.
  • Sendai Girls: Ultra local promotion founded by Gaea star with amazing in ring performances. Now part of the Wrestle Universe conglomerate.
  • Gatoh Move: Ice Ribbon founder Emi Sakura's promotion formed after an acrimonious split with Ice Ribbon. Very low budget, very goofy with often very creative in-ring work. Chocopro is it's pandemic off shoot focused on youtube and mat wrestling. Good support for its large English language following. Baka Gaijin and Friends is a quasi-spin off airing each month for free on youtube. Lots of intergender.
  • Tokyo Joshi Pro:DDT's sister promotion founded and booked by Tetsuya Koda, the interim booker of Ice Ribbon after the Sakura split. Focuses on idol aesthetics, character and sports style development of talent. You're primarily watching green wrestlers ascending a very strict hierarchy based on seniority, drawing power and in-ring talent. Often very goofy and silly in the undercard but the title scene has real weight to it. On Wrestle Universe and supported by all the same English language services as DDT.
  • Seadlinnng:Hard hitting work rate promotion formed after the Act Yasukawa incident. Runs once a month.
  • Actwres girl'Z: Ultra idol promotion that sometimes says they aren't a wrestling promotion. Where Act Yasukawa ended up.
  • Pro Wrestling Wave: A mix of good in ring with lots of comedy, a JWP successor company.
  • YMZ: Essentially Gatoh Move after dark. More adult humor and wrestling. Not a lot of English support and you'll need it.
  • Diana: AJW lineage. Look I don't know, I think the in ring product is good? I haven't heard much about them recently.

fez_machine fucked around with this message at 15:22 on Apr 13, 2024

Lamuella
Jun 26, 2003

It's like goldy or bronzy, but made of iron.


mariooncrack posted:

Is there a an easy way to watch stardom? Kind of interested after the big ROH 6 womens match.

Sign up here for 900ish yen a month https://www.stardom-world.com/

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
efb

SG Bamboo
Aug 21, 2013

Smile. Win. Yay!

mariooncrack posted:

Is there a an easy way to watch stardom? Kind of interested after the big ROH 6 womens match.

The indie wrestling group on vk has all the shows up in a timely manner, otherwise their streaming service (unfortunately separate to New Japan's despite the same parent company) only costs 920 yen a month.

Chinook posted:

Oh wow, that "vk" site kinda has everything, doesn't it?

Big fan of vk, it let's me see all the bottom tier Japanese indies i'd have to muddle my way through nicopro to see otherwise

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
lol Emi strikes again at the legacy of IWA Japan
https://twitter.com/setupth/status/1779141705171898483

apophenium
Apr 14, 2009

fez_machine posted:

The women wrestling in a padded room is ChocoPro/Gatoh Move (which is probably the place you'll see the most intergender) and I'll use it as an excuse to talk about Japanese women's wrestling, or Joshi, in general.

Basically, in the 40s and 50s Mildred Burke went on a massive run through various countries touring women's wrestling after having made it big in America. Although American wrestling promoters managed to kill serious women's wrestling in the States, in Japan it set off a mini-boom of enthusiasm for women's wrestling. It soften in the 60s and a lot of promotions died but in the 70s, one promotion All Japan Women's Wrestling (or AJW) managed to get a tv deal and packaged a tag team as both wrestlers and pop singers which lit the fuse for a successive series of increasingly larger booms focused on the promotion until the mid 90s. The late 80s team of the Crush Girls (another wrestling/pop idol combo) was bigger in popularity than Hulk Hogan. AJW's wrestling is and was some of the very best wrestling by men or women to ever exist.

AJW had very restrictive entrance requirements and rules for active wrestlers (most notably forced retirement at 26) which lead to a spate of competing promotions forming in the late 80s. These promotions started dying in the early 90s and AJW had a series of amazing inter-promotional shows culminating in the 10 hour long Big Egg Wrestling Universe in front of 32,000 fans. The Japanese economic crash and end of kayfabe hit all promotions in Japan, albeit with different effects, but AJW began to suffer the consequences of ill advised real estate ventures from its owners. They had also lost much of their female fan base that had lead to their late 80s success and a lot of their booking and locker room culture relied on there being a surplus of interested trainees willing to suffer the often brutal and humiliating effects of both. With declining profits and top stars reaching the forced retirement age, new promotions sprang up once again.

Neither AJW nor its major competitors (Gaea, Arison, or the first iteration of Neo Ladies Pro-Wrestling) would survive past 2005. The years of the first decade of the Millennium are known among fans as the Joshi Dark Ages. 2000 took down Neo. In 2002, AJW lost its tv deal. Gaea and Arison closed their doors in 2003. AJW finally folded in 2005.There were signs of survival and strength though especially at the end of the decade, the second iteration of Neo Ladies was going strong as Neo Women's Wrestling, there were promotions that had managed to cling on through the 90s and 00s like JWP and Oz Academy, and the creation of ultra-local promotions like Sendai Girls.

The true paradigm shift and revival came with a small training promotion called Ice Ribbon. Originally promoted as a spin off from Neo. Ice Ribbon focused on showcasing very young and green wrestlers, non traditional venues, and a pop idol aesthetic updated to the Akihabara 48 era. AEW wrestlers like Riho and Hikaru Shida came from here. Ice Ribbon proved to be economically successful with weekly shows to 70 people, it was only time before others decided to create more scaled up versions. From 2010 or so, apart from Neo and JWP folding in 2010 and 2015, there's an era of relative stability and growing interest in Joshi wrestling. And some ten to thirteen years later this stability leads to Stardom (founded 2010) becoming the number two promotion in Japan.

Here's where the current Joshi scene sorts between the athletic focused AJW inspired promotions and the more AKB48-style idol Ice Ribbon inspired promotions, while acknowledging that most have some measure of influence from both.

  • Stardom: Created by former AJW big wig Rossy Ogawa as Ice Ribbon but with a greater focus on aestheticism and work rate. Bought by Bushiroad (NJPW's owners) after a threatened WWE buy out, Rossy has now left acrimoniously to found his own promotion. They have their own streaming service, good translations and high production value.
  • Ice Ribbon: A shadow of its former self. Currently in rebuilding mode after numerous splits, departures, and controversies. Aficionados say the product is still high quality. Do not expect to find much English language support but it exists.
  • Marvelous That's Women Pro Wrestling: AJW on a more sustainable Ice Ribbon level. Founded and run by one half of the Crush gals. Expect hard hitting athleticism with a bit of goofiness. The work-rate is very high here.
  • Oz Academy: An AJW heel faction turned promotion which runs infrequent shows. Great in ring but many find the emphasis on heel interference annoying.
  • Sendai Girls: Ultra local promotion founded by Gaea star with amazing in ring performances. Now part of the Wrestle Universe conglomerate.
  • Gatoh Move: Ice Ribbon founder Emi Sakura's promotion formed after an acrimonious split with Ice Ribbon. Very low budget, very goofy with often very creative in-ring work. Chocopro is it's pandemic off shoot focused on youtube and mat wrestling. Good support for its large English language following. Baka Gaijin and Friends is a quasi-spin off airing each month for free on youtube. Lots of intergender.
  • Tokyo Joshi Pro:DDT's sister promotion founded and booked by Tetsuya Koda, the interim booker of Ice Ribbon after the Sakura split. Focuses on idol aesthetics, character and sports style development of talent. You're primarily watching green wrestlers ascending a very strict hierarchy based on seniority, drawing power and in-ring talent. Often very goofy and silly in the undercard but the title scene has real weight to it. On Wrestle Universe and supported by all the same English language services as DDT.
  • Seadlinnng:Hard hitting work rate promotion formed after the Act Yasukawa incident. Runs once a month.
  • Actwres girl'Z: Ultra idol promotion that sometimes says they aren't a wrestling promotion. Where Act Yasukawa ended up.
  • Pro Wrestling Wave: A mix of good in ring with lots of comedy, a JWP successor company.
  • YMZ: Essentially Gatoh Move after dark. More adult humor and wrestling. Not a lot of English support and you'll need it.
  • Diana: AJW lineage. Look I don't know, I think the in ring product is good? I haven't heard much about them recently.

Incredible write-up, cheers bud

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

That's a great write-up, thanks fez_machine.

Crush Gals vs. Jumping Bomb Angels is an absolutely insane watch, the atmosphere is off the charts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqWC0idWTu8

Chinook
Apr 11, 2006

SHODAI

So I finished that that Dragongate show, the one with the G1-ish tag tournament finals. I referred to this playlist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A379y8nfXDg) quite a few times, and have a bit of an idea of who the main players are, at least at the moment. I wish I had more time, because I'd like to get back into NJPW a bit, maybe, and also check out DDT and Noah. But for now, I'll stick with this.

I liked it. I wish I could understand spoken Japanese better than I do. Aside from 'oi oi oi' and 'matte matte matte' I basically have no clue what they're saying. The English commentary obviously helps a lot. From what the announcer said, he won't be on commentary again until the show in May. So, all of these shows that are going up on dragongate.live are just tag-heavy house shows with no real story progress, then? I can basically ignore them?

If not, is there a decent place for English recaps?

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)

Ziggy Tzardust posted:

As someone who doesn’t watch much NOAH, how hyped should I be about seeing Seiki Yoshioka next week?

https://x.com/revprouk/status/1778365322984136961?s=46&t=_akPFYiqAqKbxYd3RPf4Jg

He kicks really well if you're into that

quote:

So I finished that that Dragongate show, the one with the G1-ish tag tournament finals. I referred to this playlist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A379y8nfXDg) quite a few times, and have a bit of an idea of who the main players are, at least at the moment. I wish I had more time, because I'd like to get back into NJPW a bit, maybe, and also check out DDT and Noah. But for now, I'll stick with this.

I liked it. I wish I could understand spoken Japanese better than I do. Aside from 'oi oi oi' and 'matte matte matte' I basically have no clue what they're saying. The English commentary obviously helps a lot. From what the announcer said, he won't be on commentary again until the show in May. So, all of these shows that are going up on dragongate.live are just tag-heavy house shows with no real story progress, then? I can basically ignore them?

If not, is there a decent place for English recaps?
Open the Voice Gate is an English language podcast focusing on DG. One of the guys is a regular poster here, too (I forget which)

VoW also has some show reviews written by the same people https://www.voicesofwrestling.com/category/vow-latest/reviews/puroresu/dragon-gate-puroresu/

Puro promotions in general make most of their money from touring, so even the house shows still drive the story and build up feuds. Don't sleep on the multiman matches because that's how they cook up new angles. DG is a very tag-heavy promotion and their house style really gives their tags a higher floor than the rest of the competition.

I wouldn't say watch everything unless you have all the time, but you could check out the news and check out the show VODs. DG's streaming service is weird because they put up VODs for about a year after airing, they used to be on a weirder schedule (which was caused by the TV network deal, dunno how it changed but it's better now) but it's still watchable.

Lily Catts fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Apr 15, 2024

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Chinook posted:

So I finished that that Dragongate show, the one with the G1-ish tag tournament finals. I referred to this playlist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A379y8nfXDg) quite a few times, and have a bit of an idea of who the main players are, at least at the moment. I wish I had more time, because I'd like to get back into NJPW a bit, maybe, and also check out DDT and Noah. But for now, I'll stick with this.

I liked it. I wish I could understand spoken Japanese better than I do. Aside from 'oi oi oi' and 'matte matte matte' I basically have no clue what they're saying. The English commentary obviously helps a lot. From what the announcer said, he won't be on commentary again until the show in May. So, all of these shows that are going up on dragongate.live are just tag-heavy house shows with no real story progress, then? I can basically ignore them?

If not, is there a decent place for English recaps?

Person who created those vids is a goon!

I wouldn't say there's no story progress, but yes, you can get away with skipping most of the shows. if you're time sensitive. Although it depends. We've just come off the Rey de Parejas & being a tournament that meant there were important matches all over, including on the shows that didn't get shown on the Network. They put those up on their Youtube channel, well, usually 2 or 3 matches from each unaired house show. You certainly can follow the promotion with only watching the Korakuen shows & the bigger named events & not miss too much.

Unfortunately there's not really a good DG equivalent of Dramatic DDT anymore. Jae used to run I Heart DG but it got erased from the internet several years ago. There used to be an OK Dragon Gate Wikia which was good for looking at unit affiliations but that seems to have been abandoned. I speak as much Japanese as you do sadly but tbh it's not too hard to follow. There will be a promo at one point where one of the face groups talk a bit & then invite a child into the ring, & they get to be special ring bell ringer for a match.

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


Chris James 2 posted:

[Kaito Kiyomiya,] the most humiliated man alive

quote:

NOAH announced today that Kaito Kiyomiya will face Jake Lee next Monday to determine the number one contender for El Hijo Del Dr. Wagner Jr's GHC Heavyweight Championship at Wrestle Magic on May 4

Jake Lee, you have the chance to continue the funniest tradition in wrestling

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Rossy Ogawa is such a clown, he's only doing untold damage to the women's wrestling scene by splitting Stardom, and it's all probably part of a backdoor operation for WWE to get into Japan anyway. Bah! Fie on you, Rossy Ogawa!
Rossy Ogawa's new promotion will be part of Wrestle Universe.
The man's a genius! A visionary! Plaudits for Rossy Ogawa! Medals!

Dishwasher
Dec 5, 2006

Congratulations on not getting fit in 2011!
I like Jake Lee. I'm glad he's in important fights for world titles. :blush:

Dishwasher fucked around with this message at 00:56 on Apr 16, 2024

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


GLEAT go live on Youtube with LIDET UWF Ver.4 in about 2 hours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs-Slkb3YV4

17/4/2024, Wednesday

6:30pm JST/8:30pm AEDT/10:30am BST/5:30am EDT/2:30am PDT

GLEAT LIDET UWF Ver.4
Shinjuku FACE, Tokyo
UWF Rules: Tetsuya Izuchi vs Yutaka Kobayashi
UWF Rules: Hartley Jackson & Kaito Kotaro Suzuki vs Hideki Shrek Sekine & Takatoshi Matsumoto
UWF Rules: Maya Fukuda vs Yura Suzuki
UWF Rules: Dan Tamura & Soma Watanabe vs Minoru Tanaka & Takuya Wada
UWF Rules: Masakatsu Funaki vs Yu Iizuka
UWF Rules: Kaz Hayashi & Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Kendo Kashin & Minoru Suzuki
UWF Rules: Hikaru Sato vs Takanori Ito

Wild that Fujiwara still wrestles a handful of times a year.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 08:38 on Apr 17, 2024

fez_machine
Nov 27, 2004
It's started and this lady is talking rather somberly

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


I love that I knew I could turn up 10 minutes late & they'd still be on the intros

They really do not need to do these long rules explanations everytime, they've been doing these matches for near 4 year now!

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