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SubG posted:I hope not, as neither of those things happened. Heaven's Gate put UA in the red for the year, but it didn't bankrupt them; Transamerica (the parent company of UA) lost confidence in UA as a source of revenue, but the box office loss of around US$40 million was a couple billion shy of driving it into bankruptcy. I wasn't aware we were being so literal and comprehensive. So UA became a distribution label for Transamerica and later MGM instead of disappearing completely, who cares? As a renowned production company, they were toast. But to say that the failure of Heaven's Gate (along with One From The Heart) didn't play a role in putting the decline of a movement into warp speed... right. We all know effects-laden blockbusters were a safe and profitable out for the studios, but that ain't the whole picture.
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VoodooXT posted:I hope Criterion will put out a "The End of an Era: New Hollywood" boxset that consists of Heaven's Gate, One from the Heart, Cruisin', and They All Laughed. I would actually buy a release of Cruising.
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SubG posted:stuff To keep this from veering too far off topic, I'll offer this. Regardless of the cultural and financial shifts at play in the entire life cycle of the New Hollywood (of which, once again, I'm well aware), I'm confident Heaven's Gate would have been as much of a disaster in 1973 as it was in 1980, or any other time for that matter, because it's simply a bloated mess of a film. The critics knew it, the audiences knew it, and it took a beating. To think that it was just a victim of circumstance is to render it, and all films, qualitatively blank. But that last bit is definitely for another thread.
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I said it largely helped. Just forget it dude.
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SubG posted:I disagree that it `largely helped' to end New Hollywood. It's something that gets kicked around a lot as conventional wisdom, along with the idea that it `bankrupted' UA, but both points rely on an model of events that is not only an oversimplification, it is simply inaccurate. If you don't want to discuss it and instead just want to make more jokes in which Heaven's Gate is the punchline, more power to ya. I'm not particularly in love with the film or anything, and I really don't care whether or not anyone likes it. But---and this isn't just directed at you---it's weird seeing these comments about how Criterion isn't mentioning the whole thing about how Heaven's Gate was a blight upon the industry or why they're `downplaying' its presumptive villainy without, you know, considering the possibility that it might be because there are other ways of looking at it, or that maybe unreflective acceptance of popular opinion about a film might not constitute good critical or source analysis. Like it or not, that is the popular consensus. I'm not saying that it's therefore ipso facto valid, but Criterion is a company that prides itself on being comprehensive. To treat this consensus as some aberration of oversimplified history that bears no mention is to compromise the analysis. And I do think it's a view that holds some validity (and I never said that the film holds sole responsibility, though I get the impression that you believe that I have). But as you said yourself, any theories about the end of the era are speculative. I think the history bears evidence that the film contributed to the downfall of the auteur model in American cinema and you, apparently, don't. There really isn't much else to say.
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STEVIE B 4EVA posted:Popular consensus also once held that the sun revolved around the earth. And? What's so bad about admitting that you didn't know an aspect of film history that you'd rather backpedal in circles instead? I guess you didn't read the part right after that where I said that fact had no bearing on the validity of the theory. I'm also aware of the history of the era, it isn't rocket science. I can't believe I've spent this much time talking about Heaven's Gate, of all loving movies. Origami Dali fucked around with this message at 05:31 on Aug 16, 2012 |
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This is interpreting the thread of history, of course there isn't going to be agreement. I've said my peace about how Criterion seems to be handling the history of the film and my thoughts on the film's history, and haven't changed anything. Feel free to bring something to the discussion.
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TrixRabbi posted:For all we know, several of those features could very well address how it was a massive flop and the fallout. The booklet's essay may touch on it, as could the several interviews. Just because they didn't put together an entire documentary about it being an awful film and a massive flop doesn't mean it won't be touched upon. This is very true. I wonder how Cimino actually feels about the film. He could very well be quite candid in the extras about how much of a failure of vision it was for all I know.
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Well, my dismissal is because I think Heaven's Gate is a bad film, not because of opinion A or B. It isn't particularly dismal, it's just a bore. And speaking at great length about a film that I personally feel so little towards doesn't strike me as a valuable use of time, yet here I am, hence of all loving films. My questioning the nature of this particular release of the film, however, is precisely because of opinion A or B and not because of my opinion of the quality of the film. I don't feel attacked or anything of the sort, and it's great that you can get jazzed up about it, but I didn't expect an off the cuff remark to turn into a full blown debate.
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I'm pretty sure that's Babette's Feast.
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As someone who is put off by most of the Godard I've seen, I think Weekend is great.
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a radii hike posted:Just curious, which Godards have put you off and which ones do you like? I like Weekend and Alphaville. Breathless, Band of Outsiders, A Woman is a Woman, and Film Socialisme, not so much. I probably need to see Vivre sa Vie, Pierrot le Fou, and Contempt before I really know how I feel (and I'm interested in Hail Mary), but I'm in no rush.
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Does Criterion typically utilize old transfers for previously released titles when they get a Blu Ray upgrade? I've just bought a few Blu Ray upgrades during the BN sale, and I've noticed that the Blu Rays for titles previously released on DVD, like Videodrome and The Battle of Algiers, all have "High Definition Resorations", just as the DVDs did, which likely means they're using the old HD transfer done x number of years ago. Though HD benefits from restorations done at a quality higher than HD res (2k/4k scans, which Criterion does for recent new titles and complete overhauls of old titles, like Rashomon and Lord of the Flies), I wouldn't normally be surprised that a company wouldn't want to spring the cash for new scans solely for Blu Ray when they have previous masters ready, but since Criterion pride themselves on quality, it is a bit surprising. edit: Just as I'm sitting here writing this, I glanced at the Wild Strawberries BR and noticed it's from a new 2k scan, even though the DVD edition is still from the old HD scan from back in 2002. I suppose it might be based on the prestige of the title/director + projected sales or something along those lines. 
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Welp, I never thought I'd see a Zatoichi blu ray set. It even includes no.14, Zaotichi's Pilgrimage, which I've never seen. Bye bye, money. Crossing my fingers that it's released before the Nov. BN sale is over.
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zandert33 posted:So glad that Media Blasters lost the rights (I guess they did) so we can get all the movies in a set. Maybe not entirely. I notice Zatoichi 1989 is conspicuously absent.
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Friedpundit posted:Anyone know of a way I can see bigger versions of those Zatoichi covers? Right click the cover you want to see and select "open image in new tab". Replace the "w100" at the end of the filename in the url with "original" and you can see a larger version. Not huge, but still.
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I don't even think you need Hulu plus, because it's letting me watch them for free. 
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Egbert Souse posted:It's probably Persona. They have it on iTunes as coming Sept. 17, so that might end up being a December title. I was thinking "if it's Persona, then why aren't they women?". Then it hit me. Person A.  Great news, though.
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Just FYI, the Barnes & Noble 50% off Criterion sale should begin November 5th and run through to December 2nd.
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Mercaptopropyl posted:What is so great about Zatoichi? Because I generally loathe anything Japanese, but I was also blown away by the Kurosawa films I've seen like Rashomon and Seven Samurai. The Zatoichi flicks aren't what you'd normally call high art or superb drama, but they're really fun serials with a very likable lead actor. As 99 said, there's some great cinematography, especially in the episodes directed by Kenji Misumi (who has a Sergio Leone-like eye for composition, much like in his later Lone Wolf & Cub films). Sometimes, you just want to see somebody slice up 50 bad guys on a lazy afternoon. But really, if you "generally loathe anything Japanese", but like Kurosawa, then you've generally been watching the wrong stuff.
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Slate Action posted:The 10% membership discount only applies to in-store purchases, doesn't it? Online purchases don't get the discount. That's right. You do get free express shipping, though.
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GrandpaPants posted:November is usually the BN.com Criterion sale, yes? Yeah, the sale starts 11/11 and runs through 12/2.
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Chiming in with The Virgin Spring here. gently caress it, watch 'em all.
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The Barnes & Noble sale starts 11/10.
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The Bloomberg article for this says the basic package is a selection of 500 movies that will be refreshed each month. You can pay extra for access to the entire Criterion Collection. Cool if true, since the entire collection isn't even on Hulu.
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The only time I've had that happen from discs in a multi-set was the Hitchcock Premiere Collection from MGM which came in similar packaging to the Zatoichi set. Apparently a consequence of so many discs and pages being tightly packed together in a booklet was that the discs became warped, which was enough to cause playback issues. Whenever I watch one of those, the sound of the disc spinning is like a tiny buzzsaw.
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So it's all but confirmed that a Lone Wolf & Cub set is coming, yeah?
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BN sale starts on 7/5 and runs until 8/1.
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The Bicycle Thief, 400 Blows, Breathless, and Solaris have all been blind buys that I've resold because I was very meh on them. Loved Weekend and Alphaville though, and most anything else I've bought. Resold The Third Man for a new house even though it's great, though.
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Lone Wolf & Cub, gently caress yeah. Nice art too.
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Hellraiser II is legit nuts and entertaining. III is poop. Candyman sequels are straight garb. That is all.
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Just a reminder, the BN sale starts 11/1 and runs till 11/28.
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So is the entire collection, sans oop titles, available on Criterion Channel? It only says "the largest selection anywhere", not complete, which gives me pause. I remember there were several times I'd want to watch a title on Hulu and find out it wasn't there.
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That's the first time I've seen a BN coupon specifically mention a Criterion exemption in the fine print. Guessing this is going to be standard from now on.
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Blood, some of the most skilled swordplay you'll ever see, beautiful shot composition, hundreds of dead bodies, a boobytrapped death-machine baby carriage. LW&C is awesome.
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Short Cuts is good, but Nashville is where it's at.
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Ditto what he said, but since my watchlist currently has 87 titles, I doubt I'll be dropping it anytime soon. I think it's great, so far.
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Cemetry Gator posted:I really love the soundtrack. The song Forbidden Colors, which is a vocal version of the theme song, is really good and amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgCuDrwTPns I love this solo guitar version.
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Egbert Souse posted:The Silence I'd be surprised if they were working on this without also working on Through A Glass Darkly and Winter Light.
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