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How would Hero ever have anything like 33, 77, 99, TT+ in his range? Also you list: A3s, A7s, A9s, Axs, A2s-5s... Which suited Aces do you have? Should probably be like ~A2-A9 Something fishy about this hand...
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why can't he have 33 77 99? and id assume hes including no more than like 1 combo of a lot of those AXs hands as well
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Jul 16, 2014 09:37
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Sorry, blinds are .25/.50 with a $1 straddle this handStrong Sauce posted:How would Hero ever have anything like 33, 77, 99, TT+ in his range? I was differentiating between Ax with a pair, Ax with a turned gutshot, and generic Axs. Not saying all the hands I listed should be in heroes preflop range, although obviously hero should have at least some of them given we are 200bb (cause of straddle) deep with 2 players who are reading hands. I posted it on 2p2 as well and the response was "Value only!" which seems absurd given that if heroes range is value only, V1 and V2 will fold super wide - and if they will, then clearly we should have a wide bluffing range...
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Jul 16, 2014 22:18
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Ranma posted:Sorry, blinds are .25/.50 with a $1 straddle this hand that logic kind of collapses on itself. the response is value only because they aren't going to think your range is value only. Hero's actual range and hero's perceived range are extremely different. You aren't going to be perceived to be value heavy on a board where it's hard for you to have value hands when your opponents are the nonbelieving type. They're just going to look down at their KK or whatever and call. Or he's going to think you're trying to bluff in a spot where you rep nothing to make him think you will have it. The problem with the last sentence is that hero's range is a function of how we think they are going to react. They already have notions about what we are capable of, which is why our range is weighted to value. If we thought their perception of our range was accurate (i.e. they'd think we were nutted when we played this way (bceause we should be)) then we would be opening up our range to include a lot of high equity bluffs. Even in terms of GTO and balance we need to bluff very infrequently on flop to break even because there's only like 11 combos of value hands that we need to balance with. But I wouldn't even bother thinking about that because I want to exploit our opponent. Which I'm going to do by flat/flatting his shittily sized 3bet and flopping the nuts/equities MY INEVITABLE DEBT fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Jul 16, 2014 |
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Jul 16, 2014 22:43
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So - this was one of those stupid POST AS THE VILLAIN hands. I'm V1 and I have Q9s. Fold pre? Fold flop? Fold turn? Never fold?
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Jul 17, 2014 03:01
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Ranma posted:So - this was one of those stupid POST AS THE VILLAIN hands. I'm V1 and I have Q9s. Fold pre? Fold flop? Fold turn? Never fold? Your flop action is out of order a little bit but I'd probably fold flop same as you. Also do you TALK LEVELING AND META GAME like your post says V1 does or was that just a setup to get us to hate V1?
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Jul 17, 2014 04:01
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The tiny 3b pre is pretty bad oop. And maybe period just because of all the fuckery your friends will probably get up to. Now some weird thoughts. In real life he's probably bluffing. He has a set sometimes but this is probably one of those games where people are clicking buttons trying to "outlevel" eachother and show who has the biggest poker dick. If we're 3b Q9s we have too many hands to fold this one. With a 3b range that wide we're going to miss and cbet pretty often, which your friend will probably take at face value and raise because you "can't" continue with all the random hands you have. He probably doesn't think about not repping anything. If he's that kind of guy I'm pretty sure you'll know it. With that in mind, we're too high up in our range to fold when he's going to gently caress around. I'd kind of rather have a 9 when I call here because TT+ doesnt block 99 and 97 (99 goes from 3 combos to 1 and 97s goes from 3/2 combos to 2/1 depending on the suits of the 9 and 7). And we're only worried about anything above TT+ value jamming because he'd have to be trapping with AA and KK while deep. Which is probably pretty good at a splashy game. Basically if he's good he shouldn't ever raise flop with anything. Also unless im reading this wrong I think you mean you are V2? And you only have $60 left?
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Jul 17, 2014 04:31
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No, I'm v1 the original raiser, not the 3 better, and I flat flop, not cbet/fold.
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Jul 17, 2014 04:38
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Ranma posted:No, I'm v1 the original raiser, not the 3 better, and I flat flop, not cbet/fold. We're both confused because the way you've explained the action in your first post is Player 1 checks, Player 2 checks, Player 3 bets, Player 1 raises, Player 3 folds before Player 2 has a chance to act. If things were going in the right order, Player 2 would call their check/raise and Player 3 would get to close the action. Instead, you have it setup so that Player 2 has a chance to squeeze if Player 3 calls the bet. Which is it? edit: also in your original hand it's v2 that flats flop, not v1 EngineerSean fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Jul 17, 2014 04:44
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well that was a lot of work for nothin. v1 played fine
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120bb deep eff (vs 3better) with the straddle, we're okay with bet/calling the 3bet with q9ss? the flop seems fine ofc
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Jul 17, 2014 11:55
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EngineerSean posted:We're both confused because the way you've explained the action in your first post is Player 1 checks, Player 2 checks, Player 3 bets, Player 1 raises, Player 3 folds before Player 2 has a chance to act. If things were going in the right order, Player 2 would call their check/raise and Player 3 would get to close the action. Instead, you have it setup so that Player 2 has a chance to squeeze if Player 3 calls the bet. Which is it? quote:Hero checks, V2 bets $24, V1 calls, hero raises to $58, V1 tank/folds, V2 asks for a count (about $120), tank/calls. We're 200bb effective deep with hero
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Jul 17, 2014 14:42
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:The tiny 3b pre is pretty bad oop. And maybe period just because of all the fuckery your friends will probably get up to. So I really like this post (even if you felt it was a waste of time). Especially the bit about poker dick, cause it is true. He is certainly the type of guy to think about what he is repping. Question is about "Basically if he's good he shouldn't ever raise flop with anything.", which is a similar response I got on 2p2, and I'm wondering why. Hero is out of position, so flatting looks rather strong, there are a decent number of turn cards that can come that shut down action if hero is strong, and flatting/donking out turn looks super strong, so hero has to be pretty worried about turn just checking through and not getting to stack V1 who he is 200bb deep with. Plus by flatting it is a lot harder for hero to have any bluffs in his range.
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Ranma posted:So I really like this post (even if you felt it was a waste of time). Especially the bit about poker dick, cause it is true. Alright well I don't think I was looking at the hand right because i thought the guy who had Q9s was IP. In that case I'm 3b or folding pre myself. Now... Flatting doesn't look strong. Hero (sb) will have a pretty wide range of hands that wants to call flop vs an aggressive opponent. It's a little narrower once v1 calls the cbet (probably wont be calling stuff like 88 anymore). SB should definitely flat with all strong hands, but their flatting range includes too many other weak hands on this dry of a board. All SB has done this entire hand is press call. There are no turn cards that shut down action except an A and maybe a K and however many 9s are left. It doesn't look super strong to flat a bunch and then donk because it doesn't make any sense from a thinking player. What, you bet with a straight because you're afraid of... not getting less than a PSB in? You bet with a set because you're afraid of someone hitting a 4 card straight with uhhhhhh 88 exactly? It's the same reason raising flop doesn't make any sense. All you are doing is valuecutting yourself when you have an absolute lock on the hand. There's not enough turn/river cards that kill our action vs the 3bettor's strong hands/v1's garbage that can improve to 2pair or something that isnt any good. If the guy who raised flop is an old man he just has 97 or a set every time. If it's your random friend at a home game who lives to click buttons it's time to just press call with TT+ (and some nines if you got em). But like I said in the other post you'll know if he's the kind of person who thinks "ha ha i only rep the nuts here, how can they call!! they are deep thinkers like me!" e: it's true that SB wont have many bluffs when he flat/flat/flats but it doesn't matter. We aren't trying to "rep" a bluff so that he'll call thinking we are bluffing. e2: if you raise flop you put him in a position for him to start thinking very hard about this hand. if you flat flop his only thought is how much to bet on the turn MY INEVITABLE DEBT fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jul 17, 2014 |
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Jul 17, 2014 17:13
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:If the guy who raised flop is an old man he just has 97 or a set every time. If it's your random friend at a home game who lives to click buttons it's time to just press call with TT+ (and some nines if you got em). But like I said in the other post you'll know if he's the kind of person who thinks "ha ha i only rep the nuts here, how can they call!! they are deep thinkers like me!" Really excellent posts, thanks. I ended up calling/calling the jam (after a super long tank that basically came down to "I'm near the top of my range, he expects me to fold here a bunch, and is totally capable of bluff jamming here, so I call"), and beat his 98s that he was bluffing with. He said he did it with 98s because he expected me to fold all my one pair hands, but if I did decide to bluff catch, that I would bluff catch with my 7x as well, so it gives his hand extra value. I thought he should only be doing this with JTs/turned clubs/3x/7x type hands.
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2/5 $950 deep Game is playing loose and deep, hero has been very active, raising a lot of hands. Not always cbetting, but cbetting a lot. Fish who limp/calls a lot limps in EP, hero raises 9Ts in middle position to $25, villain flats, button flats, fish flats. Villain is an older asian man, has been at the table for about 3 orbits and has done nothing to draw attention to himself. I think he called one raise and folded the flop. Came to the table from the must move with $950, hero covers with $1700. My physical reads are that he is nittish and patient. 4 ways, ~100 in pot after rake 8  9T Checks to hero, hero bets $70, villain raises to $165, others fold, hero calls Turn is the 2  , pot $430Hero checks, villain bets $300 with ~ $370 behind, hero folds I considered folding flop but felt it was way too weak with top two, was hoping for villain to slow down turn which seems terrible but so does folding top 2 to a tiny raise... Probably still right. Thoughts on preflop? Flop?
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Jul 22, 2014 03:18
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We're owning ourselves if he's capable of betting draws and I guess kinda owning him if he's incapable? Pretty gross if we fold vs T9/T8/98/any draws here
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Jul 22, 2014 03:25
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I guess I play it same as you but like you I have no plan for the turn.
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Jul 22, 2014 03:29
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The villain (with your read) is raising any hand he hit with that flop. I may 4 bet there, but I think you need to c/c or repop the turn. I can't think of anything I'm folding there, the turn actually makes it easier to bet out. Disclaimer I am a bad poker player.
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Jul 22, 2014 03:29
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LorneReams posted:The villain (with your read) is raising any hand he hit with that flop. I may 4 bet there, but I think you need to c/c or repop the turn. quote:Villain is an older asian man, has been at the table for about 3 orbits and has done nothing to draw attention to himself. I think he called one raise and folded the flop. Came to the table from the must move with $950, hero covers with $1700. My physical reads are that he is nittish and patient. Turn we have like 700, we're getting it in or folding pretty much Blinky I agree but I'm not worried about getting exploited at 2/5 by an old man. Feels so gross putting 200bb in here, and gross folding FML
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Jul 22, 2014 04:08
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The point I was trying to make is that I'm more worried about you exploiting yourself by folding. It obviously comes down to "get it in unless you have a good reason to believe his range is extremely weighted towards sets and straights." And him being an old asian live player automatically pushes it in that direction. Have you tried loving around with ranges in stove at all?
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Jul 22, 2014 04:29
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Ranma posted:2/5 $950 deep I can't blame you for calling flop with top 2 but I don't think it wins. The two main issues I have with this hand: villain acts immediately after us on every street. This is two issues because first his flatting range preflop will be much stronger and not include a hand like T8s. The second issue is his relative position to the rest of the people in the hand. We're in a 4way pot on probably the most connected board possible and he's putting in a raise immediately after you act with two people to go behind him. It's good that you found the turn fold but I think we can save $95 by folding flop. We run into big combinatorics issues when he can probably have QJo but the worst connectors are going to need to be suited. 16 combos of QJo even if he does play 98s (2 combos) this way. Maybe two combos of FDs in KJ/AJdd that will want to play very fast and strong. ATdd/JTdd/QTdd/maybe KTdd. 4 combos of 67s. 5 combos of sets. Might chop with the last combo of T9s. It really doesn't paint a good picture for us. With all unsuited QJ (and assuming im not overlooking anything because im hosed up) we're really destroyed by 25 combos and still only ~25% against the semibluffs on the turn. Getting it in on flop is obviously a disaster with the ridiculous equity anything that isnt crushing us has. 98s is the only worse 2pair and I don't even think it would play this way 4way. But if it did we would be ahead of only 8 combos. And only after a safe turn card. If we take out unsuited QJs we still end up with 13 combos that destroy us and 8 combos that we are doing marginally against/can flat flop and deal with them later. And that's in the most optimistic situation imo Exploiting ourselves by folding is an absolute non-issue in this spot. For one, nobody is going to know we fold top 2 here. And for another, it's so insanely -ev to be attempting to exploit our wide folding range with others in the pot, even if they know we are folding often. Hope this post is coherent gl every1
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Ranma posted:what? I'm just saying as the villian, I'm playing that hand basically the exact some way with such a large range of cards, I can't see folding, but I guess that's position for you. Sick spot.
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Jul 22, 2014 14:34
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LorneReams posted:I'm just saying as the villian, I'm playing that hand basically the exact some way with such a large range of cards, I can't see folding, but I guess that's position for you. Sick spot. You aren't villain, unless you're an old nitty seeming man. You need to put villains on their own range, not give them yours. MY INEVITABLE DEBT, good post, seems like a flop fold is best even though it hurts me soul. In hand I called flop, binked a T on the turn (oops I lied about turn card), got it in vs villain who didn't show and took down a massive pot.
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Jul 22, 2014 14:43
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well I'd rather be lucky than skilled any day anyway
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another great post moose. perhaps you will one day be the savior that brings back pitr. and then ranma will curse us with his fake HH gimmicks and we'll be banned from SA poker posting forever.
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Jul 22, 2014 15:51
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I was planning on responding this morning telling you I would fold flop against the described villain (took me a good 10 minutes of thinking about the hand while trying to sleep), but Moose pretty much said it best. It's a tough spot for an old Asian man to be bluffing and you are almost never way ahead, are very often way behind, and are against a big draw the rest of the time where you are almost exactly flipping. And with his flop raise sizing (a little more than a minraise) I'd weigh it more towards a strong made hand and probably the nuts. If he had any hand you beat, 98s or a weirdly played AA for example, and he decided to raise, in my experience on such a wet board the raise would be much bigger. If the turn really was a blank would you have folded? I know it's a hypothetical at this point since you lied you big liar, but you got the best turn card in the deck (other than a 9 or T) and are still in a really lovely spot. Calling flop and then folding to a blank turn is really bad. Here's a stove: code:I know it's frustrating because he probably never thinks you have T9 so you might think you are good, but going through the combinations it just doesn't look good for you.
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Mind_Taker posted:If the turn really was a blank would you have folded? I know it's a hypothetical at this point since you lied you big liar, but you got the best turn card in the deck (other than a 9 or T) and are still in a really lovely spot. Calling flop and then folding to a blank turn is really bad. Boating up on the turn makes the hand much less interesting so I felt ok about changing that. Here is a totally real, 100% unaltered hand history: V1: Super loose whale, has 1.3k in front, has been opening 60% of hands pre and shown down stuff like K4s, calling large bets in bad spots, definitely target #1 at the table. Hasn't really been 3bet so don't know how he reacts to it. V2: Limp/calling a lot, way too loose pre but has a fold button post even with a topmost pair. 800 Hero: Super active, probably raising too much pre, was down to $275 before going on a heater and now sitting at $900. V1 opens to $20 in EP, V2 flats on my right, I 3bet to $80 with 8 8 in the c/o, both call.Pot ~240 post rake Flop: 2 4 6Checks to me, I bet $125, V1 calls, V2 tank/folds Turn: T ($390)V1 checks, I check behind Thoughts: probably playing scared poker here, I don't think V1 is folding a lot here and given his looseness probably has plenty of worse pairs that call, and I can comfortable bet/fold vs him, thinking at the time was I don't want to get stacks in and I was afraid of higher pairs/sets. River: 7 V1 checks, I bet $225, he calls
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3-betting is good with a hand like 88 here, but I'd make it more like $100. You want to get heads up with V1 and I think V2 will be able to call $60 more easily than $80 more after V1 almost certainly calls. As played with a $240 pot on flop I am betting more like $180-$200, in your description you mentioned he calls large bets in bad spots, so make him call a large bet in a bad spot for him. There are players like this where I play and they are never folding for $180 on the flop if they have any pair or a draw because they will "put you on AK". And if they fold that's not bad either, you have a decent but not great made hand that is vulnerable to a lot of bad turn cards. Turn card is a good one for us, how many Ts are in his range? I keep betting like $270 into $390, but if you raised more preflop and bet more on flop, turn would be a really comfortable shove. As played, glad you bet the river and the sizing is good. Also against this type of player I want to sit to their direct right if possible. He is not going to outplay you postflop so position isn't really that important, but you want to be able to abuse them preflop with hands like KJo, ATo, etc. which are normally not good postflop but they have much more value against a player like this where if you hit top pair/medium kicker you are going to feel comfortable betting 3 streets with it. Limp/reraising is a great strategy against this villain with premium hands along with hands like KJ, KQ, AJ, AT, etc. You'll be able to collect a lot of dead money against players who will certainly call his raises preflop. It's a high variance strategy but very much +EV. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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Jul 22, 2014 16:54
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Giving this a shot without reading mind taker's post: I prefer flatting pre, especially if you have loose preflop players to your left for obvious reasons. If you don't think you can bring at least 1-2 more players in with a call, then 3betting is fine of course. Flop cbet isn't enough. 160-180ish seems fine. Turn, we don't definitely have the best hand but we have a fish who likes to call too much and can still very well be ahead of whatever overs he decides to call with, clubs, 77, 55, maybe A2-A6. This obviously isn't a slam dunk valuebet spot but I think it's a definitely a mistake to check back. At first I thought the river was fine but I'm actually not sure what his range of worse hands is that calls here. I don't see why we're checking turn but valuebetting river when we can have the added bonus of protection on the turn + further value from draws. We basically give up all of that to take this line.
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Ranma posted:I wanted to fold the flop, I was definitely going to fold the turn. My justification was that I felt my flop call would slow him down if I was ahead and wouldn't if I was behind but you guys are right it is pretty crappy. I think I like this 3bet against this whale. Flop sizing seems a little small given his station-ness, turn can definitely go either way. He's for sure going to have some hands with equity on this turn that won't want to give up like 65s, various clubs, small pairs. River can come some scary cards for his hands like 8 J Q K A, and some improving cards for him like 3 4 5 6 or maybe clubs. I think we're going to get the river call on favorable runouts like every time. But I think it's suboptimal because of the various hands that will be more apt to call turn because of their equity. I like 225 as a size on turn for sure. You're prettymuch spot on in your postmortem, but we don't have to worry about getting stacks in because if he rips it in our face here he just has a monster and it's not like we're got something that wants to realize more equity on the river. You can definitely bet/fold 225-250 pretty comfortably. e: i think the 3bet sizing is fine but it could be worth it to make it 100 like mind taker said and iso harder. We also find out his reaction to large 3bets with a hand that doesn't mind getting folds if he is tight about it MY INEVITABLE DEBT fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Jul 22, 2014 |
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Jul 22, 2014 19:12
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:I think I like this 3bet against this whale. Flop sizing seems a little small given his station-ness, turn can definitely go either way. He's for sure going to have some hands with equity on this turn that won't want to give up like 65s, various clubs, small pairs. River can come some scary cards for his hands like 8 J Q K A, and some improving cards for him like 3 4 5 6 or maybe clubs.
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Jul 22, 2014 21:00
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Blinky2099 posted:So your idea of the best line is betting turn and checking back on a lot of rivers or are you really trying to get a 3rd barrel of value from lesser 1-pairs? And as played, do you still like valuebetting here? yeah i think b/b/c and depending on how fishy he is maybe a small 3rd barrel. prolly just the two barrels though. it's kind of thin to bet now I think. He might be able to have as good as JJ, and despite having shown down K4s I don't know if we can say his UTG raise/calling range is as loose as that. I think it's close without any other info. I kind of wince when I see that he bet and the guy called because even if he has these weak one pair hands and flush draws he also has hands like TXcc and 99 which are obviously never folding, and the weaker hands like 65 he could find folds with easier.
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Hand 1 posted:Hero (UTG) $25 Hand 2 posted:UTG $29 Hand 3 posted:UTG $10 edit: Pretty sure betting is terrible since there are so few hands that can actually find a call here. Most 9s probably call, but that seems to be about it. If this is a way ahead/way behind spot, check/calling makes most sense right? Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 01:58 on Jul 25, 2014 |
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Jul 25, 2014 00:46
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Hand 1 is iffy on a double barrel but I don't think it is a bad idea at all. He could be floating with II/99 sure, also T9 and if he is loose enough 79. Checking back is never bad though if you think he is only calling with jacks. I am not folding hand 2 simply because he is pretty aggressive for just ten hands and it is a perfect card for him to bluff at with worse. We can talk about sample size and poo poo but when you check it is a perfect card to induce. Can reevaluate on the river, we have a lot of equity. But I'm not folding. Hand 3 is a clear bet/fold so you were spot on.
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Live 2/5 hand. Please critique my assigned range, and also if we should do anything differently first to act on this flop (mostly bet-sizing, since I assume check/jamming where it usually just goes check/check is really bad.) whale makes it $20 in CO. loose SB calls. Hero 3bets $80 in BB with 99. CO snapcalls, SB folds. Flop $180 T87ss Hero bets $110 CO instaships $479 Hero ($369)? --------- $369 to call $180+$110+$479+$369 = $1138, we need 32.5% Here are my ranges. Every combo of JTss, every combo of T9ss, and only does this with QQ-AA like half the time instead of 3betting pre. Maybe we can remove more combos of AA-QQ. The AK-AQs are heart combos only, and then all combos of AJs.  We're 33.1% vs this. Taking out all combos of AA-QQ we're 31.2%. I guess it's really nit-picky close at this point but could consider removing a combo or two of JTs, and adding in one or two Axss combos which help us a bit, and also the very occasional random spazz with air. Edit: Arguments for check/shoving flop: Axs, like A2-A5s, offsuit to the board, could bet/fold low SCs that maybe show up like 45s could bet/fold Underpairs 22-66 could bet/fold Maybe two overcards bet/fold I expect it to get checked back a good amount of the time, but the equity we give up vs overs might be worth it for the amount of times we get someone to bet/fold who otherwise just folds to our flop cbet. thoughts? Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 00:29 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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Question about mental percentage math. How can I more accurately estimate my chance to win %? I know we over-estimate and under-estimate pretty frequently with odds-counting but don't know any good tricks to improve this. For example: AxAx: vs 6 4board 7 652Traditional odds-counting gives us 20 outs (two 6s, three 4s, four 8s, four 3s, and the remaining seven hearts) and doing the stupid *2 math gives us 40% when we're actually 44.3%. Of course we can take a 52-card deck, remove 8 cards, take 20 outs from 44 cards and we get 45.5%. To do it mentally we should do what? 44*2=88, so 40/88 chance, multiply times around 1.1 gives us 44% which is close. Still kinda tricky to do quickly mentally but I guess with practice it can be fine. Anyways, the 45.5% would be correct assuming he doesn't have A . I guess to get the correct # we take our percentage with heart combos, percentage without heart combos, and then take the average?Kinda thinking out loud here but I'm interested to know any further tricks, like how to correctly calculate a % if we have a draw on the flop but we can still lose vs boats when we make our hand, or whatever other difficult to calculate situations you guys can think of. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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Jul 26, 2014 00:01
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This website says the most accurate method is multiply by 2.17, but rounding to 2.2 still seems to be a lot more accurate than just 2, at least according to their table. Not too bad if you're decent at arithmetic. Only helps the very first part though. Crack fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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Blinky2099 posted:Live 2/5 hand. Please critique my assigned range, and also if we should do anything differently first to act on this flop (mostly bet-sizing, since I assume check/jamming where it usually just goes check/check is really bad.) I don't really like check/jamming on this particular board unless you have a good read that he'll take your check as weakness and stab at the pot. I like the bet-sizing pre-flop (I would have gone to $90 or so since you're OOP, but no big deal), on the flop I think this bet-sizing is good and actually makes you look weaker than you are. You aren't crushingly ahead of many hands on the flop (79 and 89 are a few exceptions), but I think you have plenty of equity to call (I haven't run the math but it seems like it should be closer than what you have come up with). Also I think you need to include hands like QJ and KJ for a whale since they are never folding these pre and are very likely to jam these on the flop. You're rarely way behind IMO since in my experience snap-shoves from whales usually mean they are drawing (OTOH, snap shoves from old nits mean the nuts but that's a different story). I'm pretty happy about calling this shove. Mind_Taker fucked around with this message at 05:45 on Jul 26, 2014 |
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Live $2/$5. V1 is a regular breakeven to maybe slightly winning player, probably a little too loose/passive preflop but can be aggressive postflop. He definitely perceives me as tighter than I really am, e.g. on a KJ94 board where I 3-bet him pre with A4hh, he c/f turn and showed his AK to me because he "knew I had to have a set or AA". He goes on tilt really easily if he loses a hand he feels he "should have won". He also cold-calls 3-bets way too often with speculative hands when he isn't getting the right odds to do so (e.g. nit with a short stack 3-bets an open and V1 will cold call with hands like suited connectors and small pocket pairs). This is important for this hand. V2 is running really good and has made a few good calls tonight and running good so he is feeling really good about his game, though he is in actuality a really bad loose regular. He's been opening more pots tonight since he is sitting on such a big stack. I have $1400, V1 has about $1700, V2 has about $3500. Folds to V2 in MP and he raises to $20. I raise to $70 with A A on the button. V1 cold calls $70 in the SB. V2 calls $50.Flop: K K3 ($210)V1 checks, V2 bets $135, I call $135, V1 raises to $460, V2 tanks and then folds, I...? I'd like to hear your thoughts on this one.
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