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Anything I should have done differently? Only read I had was that it's a $2 + $0.25 game, so most players are pretty bad, with myself included. I knew nothing about the individual players. http://weaktight.com/917619 Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Mar 23, 2009 |
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# ¿ May 10, 2024 05:37 |
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http://weaktight.com/923730 What parts of this did I gently caress up? No reads on players. Micro-stakes, as you can tell. I was really only afraid of the straight, which could have been a possibility. After he pushed I figured I couldn't get away from it since it wasn't much money. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 24, 2009 |
# ¿ Mar 24, 2009 17:58 |
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INTJ Mastermind posted:Micro-stakes idiots will shove on you with flush or straight draws. They're gambling on folding equity, and on their 8,9 outs. Does that mean I did nothing wrong in that situation, or just that I was right to call the all-in but should have played differently earlier, or... Edit: When the short stack went all-in and the 2nd player called, I figured I would try to price him out of the draw. I can't really see what I did wrong at least in that situation now that I look back, unless I could have somehow assumed that someone must have had trips/straight already. Then again, I don't really know what I'm doing. Edit: And another hand... http://weaktight.com/923755 I probably should have bet when I hit two pair but I wasn't sure if he had trips... (or maybe folded when he re-raised, but it was such a tiny raise). Any other thoughts? Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Mar 24, 2009 |
# ¿ Mar 24, 2009 18:09 |
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Edit: wrong thread
Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 02:43 on Apr 6, 2009 |
# ¿ Apr 5, 2009 06:49 |
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http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xczBwcTFxcbNwMTExcfNzIjFxMPGx8PA Where did I go wrong? Should I have gotten out when he reraised? Should I have flat called the turn (he only had $5.80 left)? For these kinds of stakes I feel as if there could have been plenty of situations where someone commits with top pair and can't get away from it... but I kinda feel like I was being that player making that lovely move here.
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# ¿ May 4, 2009 22:41 |
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I just figured the whole "don't bet based on your hand quality" rule should have been applied at the time, but considering I'm playing microstakes vs players probably even more horrible than me there's no way in hell that betting more here would have set off any flags (especially considering I had only raised probably twice from UTG/UTG+1). I think I should stop taking rules so literally all the time. Thanks for the tips... noted.
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# ¿ May 5, 2009 00:04 |
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I guess you guys can tell me if I'm doing this right or if I'm still loving something up. I bet 3x preflop (should I 3.5-4?), bet nearly pot-sized when the straight/flush draws hit........ ????? Hand 1 http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xczBwcTFxcHFwMTExMbMx4jFxMPGx8PA Edit: Lots of AA apparently. How about here? I called not knowing that there was a 3rd person in the pot (I know, dumb mistake, not paying attention) but I didn't think anyone was shipping if they had a king, especially first to act. I can't even imagine any of these players doing it, or.. anyone for that matter. Hand 2 http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xczBwcTFxcbNwMTExcDNwYjFxMPGx8PA Edit2: Alright, how about this hand? Just call the raise preflop? Fold? After this guy ships I can't see any way I'm folding for $1 more or whatever, but maybe I shouldn't have reraised in the first place. It just sucks knowing so many people limp preflop with poo poo (no way to expect KK from him) and so many people raise preflop with A8, KQ, etc Hand 3 http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xczBwcTFxcbNwMTExcHExIjFxMPGx8PA Edit3: And here are some assorted hands that I could use tips on. Thanks to everyone that has helped me so far. I don't expect people to post advice on everything but I do appreciate any comments very much. Hand 4: Straight draw + flush draw possibilities... I'm pretty sure this is very standard but I'm not totally positive about it/bet sizes. Players spew a lot after checking the flop down but I can't imagine it actually being profitable with 10d Jd on the board to try slowplaying. http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xczBwcTFx8LMw8TExMHNzIjFxMPGx8PA Hand 5: Anything wrong here? Maybe should have bet the turn? http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xczBwcTFx8LMw8TExMLExojFxMPGx8PA Hand 6: Don't have much to say here. Thoughts? Bet sizes? I can't imagine slowplaying is incorrect here, but maybe betting on the river would have been better? http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xczBwcTFxcbNwMTExcHGwojFxMPGx8PA Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 01:01 on May 5, 2009 |
# ¿ May 5, 2009 00:19 |
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From up a bit... http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xczBwcTFxcHFwMTExMbMx4jFxMPGx8PA Anything I can do here rather than be raising 4-5x preflop? Can I get away from that flop on microstakes?
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# ¿ May 7, 2009 22:19 |
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Spasms posted:I'd probably call. He either sucked out on you with KQ, has a set, or most likely is shoving with a busted flush draw with a K, Q or mid pocket pair. Again this is really read dependant on how agressive he's been. It looks like you have AK, AQ or a mid PP though so from his perspective he should be able to get you to fold. He wouldn't be able to have a mid pocket pair and a flush draw, but this does likely seem like a missed flush draw or a turned/rivered two-pair. Most players would probably reraise to get draws out if they had a set, no?
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# ¿ May 11, 2009 16:54 |
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As posted in BBV, http://cakepoker.com/en/HandHistory/Default.aspx?Hand=xc3GxcTFx8fMx8TExM3Fx4jHwMPGwcE%3d Aside from the initial raise, every single move in this hand is terrible, right? QQ should have reraised to just over a dollar, AKs should have... called???, and JJ should have folded? Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jul 9, 2009 |
# ¿ Jul 9, 2009 19:22 |
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M E A T Y posted:QQ 3bet should be bigger, AKs 4betting is fine, shove is ok, JJ at a normal level you should most likely fold here, but at .05/.1 i wouldnt rule out a call Are you still 4betting regardless if the button calls QQ's 3-bet or folds to it?
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# ¿ Jul 9, 2009 19:40 |
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If any winning NL50+ players want to learn FR SnGs for some retarded reason I'm willing to trade coaching
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# ¿ Oct 13, 2009 22:45 |
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I haven't seen derk in months
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# ¿ Oct 14, 2009 00:16 |
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What is he trying to represent here that makes any sense at all? Seems awful to me...
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# ¿ Jan 2, 2010 10:42 |
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Can't comment on MassRayPer's opening range because I'm not sure what's correct, but the post-flop logic seems really, really flawed. Why do you think he's folding here 100% of the time when he doesn't have an ace? That seems like really bad level-1 thinking to me and I still don't understand what you're trying to represent at all. If MassRayPer is thinking about your hand range whatsoever he should know that you (almost?) never have an ace here.
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# ¿ Jan 2, 2010 19:30 |
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dsquash posted:I think donk bets can be incredibly profitable in certain situations just because so many regs at this level haven't figured out how to deal with them. This isn't one of those situations because you can never put Turkey on a very strong hand. He can't have a 4 and if he had a strong Ace he would have raised preflop. This sums up the entire play, like I said a few posts up. Turkey, what are you representing? Are you thinking about what you're representing whatsoever? You can't have a hand here, and any thinking player will realize that.
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# ¿ Jan 3, 2010 02:54 |
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I'm pretty sure moving up to NL200 after he just failed miserably at taking a shot at NL100 is a bad idea
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# ¿ Apr 30, 2010 15:51 |
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Spasms posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?5528239 folding is really loving awful imo
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# ¿ Jun 26, 2010 06:01 |
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Mr.Showtime posted:This had makes me wanna play more poker cause lmao.
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# ¿ Nov 26, 2011 06:23 |
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"but i doubled up this hand. clearly it was the right decision." That sounds like it's a huge part of your argument. Just sayin'.
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# ¿ Nov 28, 2011 02:05 |
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Moose is giving you excellent advice that you should take You should also try to answer his questions because your thought process does not make sense without having those answers also, "My nightmare hand here is any combination of one each of queens, tens, and nines" why are these "nightmare hands" and why does it matter? Come up with a range of all of his possible hands, not just hands that you randomly assign "NIGHTMARE HAND" to that have no significance other than that they consist of some of the hands that beat you. I think it's stuff like that which you continue to say that really has no relevance (another example Moose already pointed out, which is you "feel good" because you've been playing against him for 4 hours, yet without having reads and being able to assign ranges that's completely useless) Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Nov 28, 2011 |
# ¿ Nov 28, 2011 04:28 |
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srsly posted:You're implicitly putting him on a single pair of cards, when we should always be putting our opponents on ranges of hands. Tsk. srsly posted:I am way behind: stop pulling numbers out of your rear end. define a range, use pokerstove, and do real calculations. srsly posted:It's the safest way for me to win chips at that point this hand srsly posted:Erm no. I've been sitting at the same table with him and chatting and observing his play/mannerisms for 4 whole hours. I feel confident that I can outplay him oop. No random clicking. your thought process is sooooooooo bad and so far away from even beginning to understand the advice that others are giving... you'd probably be better off completely forgetting everything you've learned about poker and starting over because your logic is seriously that bad Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Nov 28, 2011 |
# ¿ Nov 28, 2011 10:54 |
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srsly posted:newsflash, whether or not my opponent folds is not my decision to make also lol at "should i fist-pump fold and applaud as he scoops the pot" what does that even mean? applaud as he scoops the pot? are you using some lovely form of sarcasm that implies check/folding is bad because "WE'RE GIVING IT TO HIM!!!"? because that's what it sounds like. "newsflash", you should be happy about folding "as he scoops the pot" if it's the correct decision to make based on his range/your hand/the odds you're getting. but considering you still haven't even come up with a range, and use random as gently caress percentages that don't actually apply to any real amount of hand combinations, you aren't really in a position to make that decision i don't believe you when you say you understand why check/folding river is best based on your horrible logic and atrocious, made-up statistics you pulled from your rear end, but if you say you understand then good job! Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Nov 28, 2011 |
# ¿ Nov 28, 2011 12:45 |
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srsly posted:I'm sorry for being unclear. I thought context provided ample explanation as to what I was saying. *explains* See? Not meaningless. as it's been suggested a million other times, this is what you need to be doing for all streets when you're making your decision, and not just hands that beat you for this one decision. why? because you want to find out how you think he responds to your actions and how much equity you have vs his range. you want to know whether check/folding river is the right decision based on his possible holdings. you want to have a good guess at this information at every action, changing it based on the new information you have received. making up percentages with a LONG series of "let's say..." statements only hinders your ability to do this. srsly posted:Except I didn't say that. Reading comprehension, please. Bashez posted:For real though getting made fun of is a pretty good way to learn. MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:Besides after you lost 3k on a really tiny roll playing MSPLO and moved down, which really isn't listening to advice at all. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Nov 28, 2011 |
# ¿ Nov 28, 2011 21:05 |
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:Please give him a range for turn bet, turn bet/raise, turn bet/call, and river call why would you do that? let's say he's 10% to fold if we raise. and 60% to call if we shove. and 25% to breathe heavily if he has an ace. my math is fine, thank you. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Nov 29, 2011 |
# ¿ Nov 29, 2011 01:43 |
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Hand 1 SB $4.59 Hero T9 BB $4.00 UTG $12.49 CO $7.79 BTN $4.65 5-handed NL4, just sat down UTG calls $0.04 CO folds BTN raises to $0.16 SB folds Hero? Just sat down. I figured if I call, UTG will call as well, which is ok for us?? Should I be 3betting instead? Folding is the worst of the 3 options, right? Hero calls UTG calls Flop (~$0.45ish) K94 I check with the intention of calling flop if BTN cbets, but probably shutting down on almost any turn. Maybe we could call turn on a blank? check/check/check Turn J Thought about betting. check/check/check River 3 I don't think anyone is calling with worse if we bet multiway. I check, and would check/call vs either player, since I expect us to have the best hand almost always but unable to get worst to call. Bluffcatching, I guess, hoping they feel like stabbing river. check/check/check ---------------------------------------- Hand 2 SB Hero AT $3.93 BB $13.35 UTG $7.53 CO $3.97 BTN $4.50 UTG folds CO folds BTN raises to $0.12 Hero? I flatted instead of 3betting to keep his worse aces and tens in, but I'm not sure if this is correct. Hero calls BB folds Flop: 527 chk/chk Turn: 6 Hero checks BTN bets $0.12 Hero? He checked back flop, which to me means he either hit a set, has a weak pair (33, 44, 66), or maybe something like Ax?? I figured he'd be cbetting this flop with all of his air, so I'm a bit scared by his flop check. Check/raising seems like it could be an option, but I think we only really fold out 33/44/66. I call on the offchance we have the best hand right now + our possible 6 outs, but this might be a mistake? Hero calls River: 9 Hero checks Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Dec 8, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 8, 2011 22:58 |
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I'm not sure what the correct decision is in hand 1 but I feel like we should be - betting slightly bigger on the flop - if you're betting the turn, bet bigger than 10bb into 27bb I don't actually know what to do on the turn though. You cbet in a multiway pot with an A high board and he calls with one behind him -- it seems like his range would be weighted heavily towards flush draws and worse aces. He could have misplayed sets, but let's assume he raises those on the flop. I really don't think he's calling with virtually any pocket pairs here. There aren't any straight combinations that make much sense with the FD on the board. He'd also have to be calling pre with some very low suited connectors. I feel like the line should be: Cbet bigger check turn, probably fold to a bet? Seems bad if he's ever betting weaker aces here, but I think his flush range way outweighs his Ax and other random bluff range If we get to river we should still check/fold, I think. His worse aces without a spade aren't betting, and I can't really find a range of hands he'd be bluffing us with given the previous action. Hand 2, yeah that's good.
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# ¿ Dec 11, 2011 18:05 |
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Yeah, with the 60bb stack I was originally thinking we should just bet a little bigger flop/bet a lot bigger turn, committing us. What if we have a 100bb stack here though?
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# ¿ Dec 11, 2011 19:33 |
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Hand 1: http://weaktight.com/4175011 Had a bunch of notes on villain but he left before I could copy them down for this and I don't know where they're stored. The only one I remember is something like "limp/called Q3o UTG". I'm guessing villain has a range mostly weighted towards 2 pair and sets. He's been playing very loose passive preflop. Do we just fold to this minraise? ------------------ Hand 2: http://weaktight.com/4175021 Villain has opened a lot of hands pre over a few orbits. Not sure about my bet-sizing. I probably give up on most turns, but since we get a gutshot + FD I decide to barrel. I'm not sure if he calls two streets with pocket pairs lower than queens, but it's a possibility. Give up, or fire river? Sizing? ------------------ Hand 3: http://weaktight.com/4175025 Same guy as before. In hand 2 I checked river and he showed up with 55. He has continued to be opening extremely wide pre. I 3bet pre for value because he has bet/called a little wide on a small sample of occasions. I'm not sure why I bet so much on the turn. I think his range on the turn is AK-AQ, sets, all pocket pairs, 76, 65, 54, flush draws. I have no idea how to play in these spots. If I chck turn, he can bet and we have to call. We then probably have to call most non-heart rivers. If I bet turn, I guess we're bet/folding since his range crushes ours? River I assume we check/fold all day -- aces got there, hearts got there, and we certainly don't get value out of worse. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Dec 13, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 13, 2011 06:04 |
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Thanks for the advice, guys. http://weaktight.com/4175219 Villain is 31/28 over ~28 hands, been opening a lot late position. I haven't been 3betting pre much, and have not 3bet him at all. I think pre and flop are standard. Turn we gain a nut flush draw. After his flop call I think he can have hands like AT-AK, JT, T9, KQ, 88-AA, 98s, sets, maybe some pairs worse than 7s but probably not. Betting can get his PPs 99 and lower to fold, and maybe some of his Tx hands. River I'm not sure if we can get folds. Pot is $3.66 and he has $2.14 left. I think river should be c/f. Everything seem alright? Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 10:22 on Dec 13, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 13, 2011 10:10 |
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ZeroStar posted:If we're giving up blank rivers I would rather bet bigger on the turn, and if we are shoving blank rivers it is better to go smaller on the turn, probably even smaller than you bet like .60. That way you keep in more weak hands that can fold on river, and you give him a worse price on his river call which could lead him to fold more often. Some more hands: ----------------------- Hand 1: http://weaktight.com/4175383 cyyp is 72/0 over like 70 hands ihadtrips is new to the table limper 23/10 over 100 hands Should I be flatting and essentially set-mining pre? Seems like 3betting is overrepping our hand here. How is my bet-sizing here? The money can easily go in by river, so I feel like betting smaller to induce/get worse hands to call is the best option... but after looking at the hand it seems like we'll only be letting draws get in for cheap, and all other hands would be calling/getting it in anyways. Thoughts? ------------------------ Hand 2: http://weaktight.com/4175390 Villain 27/12 over 50 hands. Can we get away from this? His sizing is really loving weird. ------------------------ Hand 3: http://weaktight.com/4175395 UTG 30/11 over 53, hasn't shown down much. BTN is new to the table What the hell do i do here? I was a little scared of UTG having AA after that limp/call a 18x shove, but obv not folding. Maybe I should have just raised again pre. I have no idea how to assign a range postflop. I assume he has 99+ after he calls flop but I don't loving know. Turn I figure maybe JJ QQ AA, but I think AA shoves by now, and maybe QQ. Maybe he has some poo poo like AQdd, or maybe some other AXdd. River I feel like we're only beating QQ at this point and I don't understand how anything else plays like this that we beat and is also calling, so I check behind. ---------------------------- Hand 4: http://weaktight.com/4175401 Villain 30/23/4.8 over 74 hands, hasn't spazzed postflop My turn call was to try to bet him off overpairs on the river but looking back I think that's loving stupid because he probably check/calls river always unless he's barreling overcards randomly, in which we have the best hand anyways. As played, the river bet/timing seemed like a blocking bet. I figured I could get at least Ts/Js to fold river, and certainly all of his non-spade high PPs. Does this seem reasonable? Made the sizing smaller to look stronger + save some money when he just shoves over or calls or whatever. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Dec 13, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 13, 2011 12:51 |
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Bet flop. As played, turn bet could be like 25-30, but it seems okay.
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# ¿ Dec 19, 2011 19:14 |
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Mexal posted:No. But by looking weak on the turn, we can't bluff the river if we wanted (villain dependent as we have no information on them). By looking weak on the turn, we can also value bet non-spade rivers, which occurs a lot more frequently. Maybe I'm missing something, but your logic seems poor and results-oriented. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Dec 20, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 20, 2011 01:31 |
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Mexal posted:Ok. So you're fine with his line? That's how you would play it? Mexal posted:I understand why people slow play, I just don't agree with it, especially at that level where most players are passive. It's generally unnecessary and I feel you're either leaving value on the table or allowing the villain to catch up cheaply. Also: Not only do we get called wider on non-spade rivers, but we can bet/call when he decides to bluff due to us "looking weak." Your turn logic seems to be entirely based on the fact that the river was a spade, which is obviously a horrendous way to review a hand. It's the equivalent to suggesting "fold KK!!" because they posted a hand where villain had pocket aces. Zerostar's post ^^^ is the reason why people (including me) suggested to bet more on the turn. NOT because of how your perceived hand range changes. However, if we assume villain is paying attention to our bet-sizing, your decision-making is still backwards for the above reasons. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 02:10 on Dec 20, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 20, 2011 01:50 |
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discstickers posted:1-3 local casino, this is the 4th hand of a new game, so no reads. Effective stacks are $200. - What is your reasoning for your turn play? - On the river, what kind of hands do you think he has? He's betting what, about 120 into a pot of ~170-180? It should be an easy decision that you can make based on what you think his range of hands is vs the odds you're getting. Try to work this out on your own. (What % chance you think you have of calling and winning vs pot odds) In my opinion, we should call turn like you did, fold every river if villain shoves, value shove blank rivers if checked to. Anyone else agree with this? As played, it's obviously a snap fold. He has you beat like 95% of the time here. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Dec 21, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 21, 2011 08:18 |
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Edit: nothing to see here!
Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Dec 21, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 21, 2011 08:24 |
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Dr. Eat posted:Yeah 100%, not sure why you spoiler-tagged it heh. discstickers posted:A shove keeps us from having to make a decision on the river. I originally said I thought it was close between calling and raising but now I definitely think raising is horrendous and the worst option here. discstickers posted:In my experience at these stakes, AA or KK will very rarely bet that flop, especially with someone behind and a potential caller - the games are just way too trappy. AK will be more often, but also rare. 99 will probably bet because it hits so much of our range. AQ/AT/A9 bet that flop. KQ will bet with diamonds. Connected diamonds will bet. Underpairs will most likely check. I don't think QQ bets. discstickers posted:In retrospect think the turn call is marginal. I have four outs to a likely winner (excepting AA or KK), so I'm really calling 50 to win 250 (16*5 + 50 + 120 behind). He could also be bluffing. A shove keeps us from having to make a decision on the river. discstickers posted:The villain was very LAG. Next hand he stacks two players with KQ vs QT vs a ace-high flush draw on a Qxx board. He proceeded to bluff off $500 over the next hour. Also the stuff that spasticmoose mentioned about you making too many large assumptions about the pot odds you're getting. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Dec 21, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 21, 2011 20:08 |
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Mind_Taker posted:$1/$2 NL Cash at my local card room. I have about $550. Villain is in MP with about $500, so we're both super deep right now. He's young and seems relatively competent with bet sizing and aggression, and has actually shown two bluffs, one he showed after he won a decent sized pot with J4o, and he was caught bluffing once with QJ on an ace high board with no Q or J. He's semi-bluffing at worst and his range has a lot of equity vs our hand. We have to fold a ton of turns, and even when it bricks and we can call, the best we're hoping for on the river is chk/chk if he gives up on a missed draw. As played, if we're calling his raise flop we can't fold this turn IMO (anyone disagree?) The 5 is not a complete blank but it's close to best-case. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 21:31 on Dec 21, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 21, 2011 20:37 |
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:
LOTL what's with your hand? idgi Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Dec 22, 2011 |
# ¿ Dec 22, 2011 10:48 |
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# ¿ May 10, 2024 05:37 |
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Opposite posted:and I reraised him with thinking that I had high card at that moment Why did you feel this? You need to try to assign a range of possible hands that he could have. He's not going to just have any random 2 cards in the deck when he calls preflop, checks flop, and then bets turn when checked to. There are hands that he is much more likely to have than others. You then also have to consider what your bet does against that range. - Does it actually get draws to fold? No. - Does it actually get pairs to fold? Almost definitely not. - Since you think you're ahead of his range of possible hands (you're probably not), will you be extracting value out of worse hands (worse "high cards")? Almost definitely not. So all you're doing with this bet is donating him money when he has a hand, and then getting him to fold his worse hands that you'd beat anyways (except for his small equity of hitting a pair on the river.) This is a very poor play. You should try to have all of this decision-making process in your head when playing, or at least while reviewing. It's important to make a range to see if you're ahead or behind, but you also need to think about how he reacts to your bet in each type of hand he could have. Blinky2099 fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jan 20, 2012 |
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