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EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Fixed.

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EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

EC10 posted:

ahh man he even bet 44 on the flop. so sick.

This is the first thing I noticed with that flop too. "Why would he bet $44? There's a 4 on the board...Oh :("

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
Obviously if you don't know that Texas Hold'Em is a game where you play your best five card hand against your opponent's best five card hand then you're not a big time poker player.

In the future know that sometimes people say "Do you even know who I am?" to get people to think that they're more important than they actually are. I do it all the time.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Lord of the Llamas posted:

Live $50/100 game.
Eff stacks ~$50k. Game has been running short handed a while and villain is tricky and aggro.


Hero has A:c:9:c:

Hero on BTN opens $500. BB calls.

Flop: A:s:9:s:8:c: ($1050)

BB check-calls $2000 on flop

Turn: 9:d: ($5050)

Check Check

River: 2:s: ($5050)

BB bets $15000

Hero ?

I bet it oowall

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
I probably just call because I'm a huge nit and you're getting like 5:1 to call!

I think we can assume SB wouldn't check twice with a full house or better. Do you think BB will call a raise with the eight of spades or lower? How about with an ace of not-spades? I guess it's possible you could make JJ/TT call off an extra $50 or so but I think that's unlikely since they didn't reraise preflop.

edit: I think it goes without saying that if you raise and get reraised by either player it's an insta-fold.

EngineerSean fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Feb 10, 2012

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
I don't think you can remove JT from his range either. J or T is definitely a better card than the 9.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Strong Sauce posted:

If you're in the US: no, not angleshooting
If you're in Europe: possibly, also possibly not allowed.

What!? I thought it was really pretty clean. In fact, if the guy got a read off of him saying that, he'd have even more reason to bet. The guy was kind of dumb for not betting there with the second (I guess technically third) nuts even with the rake and it's in no way an angle shoot.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
All of this doesn't change the fact that you are putting in 1/4 of your stack preflop with ATo. You might have some fold equity if you push preflop but otherwise fold to the reraise and wait for a better spot. On the flop you have two overs and a flush draw, I'd guess for a pot size bet I'm calling here and cringing when he flips over something like KK with Kc, but I would try not to get in this spot in the first place.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Unamuno posted:

Also, EngineerSean I disagree with calling the jam, calling the flop getting 2:1 is a fold. Sure, we have a flush draw and two overs, but think about his 3betting range here. It's going to be nutted; there will be a lot of better aces and overpairs in it. Thus, when he has a club, it's almost always going to be bigger than the Tc and we're drawing to not many outs. When he doesn't, well, some of those times he's going to give up because it's a $110 mtt and he might just think "oh poo poo 3 clubs he could have a flush I can't make a flush gotta check fold."

You are correct, should have tried to put him on a range before saying something.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Blinky2099 posted:

Hero BTN with A:d:K:s:
UTG fold
MP call
CO call
Hero(BTN) raises to 4x (100bb)
SB folds
BB calls (65bb)
MP folds
CO calls (180bb)

FLOP (13bb)
K:h:3:h:2:h:
BB checks
CO bets 19bb
Hero?

Readless, my first button

This deep I am a pretty big fan of a fold. It just screams "I have a set and want to fold out all heart draws" OR "I have two low hearts and don't want the ace of hearts to outdraw me". I doubt he bets this much here with a lower king, even with something like KxQh (which you're only 53% against). I doubt he bets at all with a naked ace of hearts either. You haven't committed many dollars at this point and even another king on the turn will leave you unsure if he bets huge.

EngineerSean fucked around with this message at 10:36 on Apr 20, 2012

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Lord of the Llamas posted:

This is incred stupid. Why don't you try reading hands in pots you aren't involved in instead. That way you have to read two people aswell!

While this is good advice too, I've heard of people putting tape over the section of their monitor with hole cards for the same reason, just to get a feel for reads and learning some stuff. I could see myself doing that at, say, 10NL, but even at the lowest stake at the casino, 200NL, I wouldn't be able to lose that much without saying "This is stupid." I'd have to be a big baller to attempt it at that stake.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Ranma posted:

Betting the river versus a lot of players is good, because they will call or fold their weaker hands. A good player as described might check/jam, in which case you need to call, and getting stacks in with your hand sucks. So I would probably check it back vs described villain, but that may be scared poker.

I feel like if I bet 4500 here on the river and got check/raised, I could safely let this one go.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
I haven't even played poker in a few months and I guess it shows. I think you are right. This is probably one of those "villain never calls worse and never folds better" type of situations and you're probably better off checking behind.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

TheAbortionator posted:

http://wt.ag/URRD9r

Was kind of lost during this hand and I am not sure if played it right.

Only have 19 hands on the villain but so far hes 7/7.

I know this is really tight, esp 5 handed, but as you said it's only over 19 hands. His range is really, really wide here and you're ahead of most of it. I play this the same as you and check/call river and expect to win it or just shrug if he shows AA-JJ.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
There is so much in his range beyond AJ and sets that I call here happily.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

discstickers posted:

1/3 at the local casino. Villain is a solid, aggressive reg (but I haven't played with him before).

Effective stacks are ~$400

Hero is dealt A2o (no club) in SB. Three limpers including villain on the button. Hero completes, BB checks.
Flop is T62 (two clubs). Hero bets 10, folds to button who raises to 20. Hero calls.
Turn is Ah. Hero checks, button bets 30. Hero calls.
River is 8s. Hero checks, button bets 75. Hero raises to 200. Button goes all in. Hero calls.

Why would you flat call the turn but c/r the river? You can punish his potential draw on the turn but what hand that you beat calls your river raise? Yeah you've got a nice big hand but he has shown aggression on every street. I'm not sure you can fold the river after betting 200 of your ~300 stack but the real mistake is betting 200. I expect to see 66 or AcXc here about 90% of the time.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
On Hand 2, is this really a good spot to be raising from the big blind? What's the problem with checking?

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
Guess I just play scared from the big blind usually.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
kill yourself preflop, as played fold on every street

edit: ok maaaaaybe raise/fold on the flop.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
If you're playing TPWK that passively then you're basically asking someone to draw out on you. Someone posted facetiously that you have to move up where they respect your raises, then you posted seriously that it doesn't matter what you raise with, they're coming along. That's exploitable. Exploit it. Don't check/call all night with ATo.

edit: Calling is frequently your second best option between raising and folding. Don't let it become your default action.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
If you think he's probably going to just give up, I'm more a fan of c/c. Might be a little passive though.

He had 65, didn't he?

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Dr. Eat posted:

blah how can you play this stake the numbers are so awkward...

haha I thought the same thing when I was trying to read it because I thought it was .01/.02 at first and I about vomited.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

LorneReams posted:

BBs are BBs are BBs.

what is $1.20 then (the unit of measurement that this hand uses)

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

LorneReams posted:

I feel like I'm missing something obvious, it was to call a 7.5BB raise (from a 3BB raise)?

Well I guess if you can divide $1.20 by 16 cents instantly while playing then these are good stakes to play!

Gonna play some NL39 later if you want to help me out with the math for that game, thanks in advance.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

LorneReams posted:

As an aside, I never understood why the local tourny I play goes 100/200 to 200/400 to 300/600 to 400/800 to 600/1200 skipping 500/1000.

haha yeah this definitely drives me batty

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Elysium posted:

Community cards are already dealt before any betting takes place. Opponent has previously tried to negotiate playing with fewer chips (5), in order to increase luck/make the game faster, as he feels he is at a skill disadvantage. You tried to negotiate playing with more chips (25). It was settled on 15 chips. Opponent pushes as the opening bet, after some short thought.

If dude is sophisticated enough to push all-in this hand, what makes me think that he won't push every hand? I know I'm going to win or tie this hand, I don't know where I'll be for the next fourteen hands. I call.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Ranma posted:

I would definitely shove in hand 1, and I would probably bet the flop a lot smaller, since you only have 3x the size of the pot and 3 streets to bet.

Hand 2 I would fold the turn, river is a toss up between calling and folding, you don't really lose to much but you don't really beat much, I'd probably end up calling but its close.

Why would we fold the turn for a min-raise, but then, assuming we did call, why would we call the river when the only hand we beat now that we didn't before is KJ (and QT caught up)?

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Ranma posted:

So - this was one of those stupid POST AS THE VILLAIN hands. I'm V1 and I have Q9s. Fold pre? Fold flop? Fold turn? Never fold?

Your flop action is out of order a little bit but I'd probably fold flop same as you. Also do you TALK LEVELING AND META GAME like your post says V1 does or was that just a setup to get us to hate V1?

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot

Ranma posted:

No, I'm v1 the original raiser, not the 3 better, and I flat flop, not cbet/fold.

We're both confused because the way you've explained the action in your first post is Player 1 checks, Player 2 checks, Player 3 bets, Player 1 raises, Player 3 folds before Player 2 has a chance to act. If things were going in the right order, Player 2 would call their check/raise and Player 3 would get to close the action. Instead, you have it setup so that Player 2 has a chance to squeeze if Player 3 calls the bet. Which is it?

edit: also in your original hand it's v2 that flats flop, not v1

EngineerSean fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Jul 17, 2014

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
I guess I play it same as you but like you I have no plan for the turn.

EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
well I'd rather be lucky than skilled any day anyway

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EngineerSean
Feb 9, 2004

by zen death robot
I assume V1 is the check/raiser and I fold it.

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