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Feel free to discuss NL tactics, or any theory related to NL. For hands, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE follow these steps so you don't get mocked by your fellow goons. 1) Use a converter, is possible. Converters rule because its easy to read and standardised so not mistakes are present, with one exception; sometimes going all in can screw up the converter. Make sure you re-read the post and ensure the converter did its job properly. Link: http://www.urmomlol.com/handconverter/hhconverter.cgi 2) Please post stack sizes, how big the pot is in $'s on every street, what limit, and how much you have left if its a river decision. Take the time to use as well, it makes it a lot easier. Don't be afraid to type it out and make it pretty. 3) Reads mean everything. Ok, sometimes it'll be the first orbit, you have no reads. But if you have anything, please post it. Its the only way we can tell you exactly what we'd do. 4) Writing your thinking on the streets also helps with breaking down ideas. Lets go!
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blah_blah posted:
I kind of like just betting so that spades think they can outdraw him. The flush is raising the turn anyway, so we're not really trapping money with a c/r.
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Feb 5, 2007 01:44
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blah_blah posted:I agree. But this is definitely a scare card and he will bet with some weak hands after you lead pf/lead flop and check turn. Only if he's agro and likes taking shots.
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Feb 5, 2007 02:42
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ZoWnX posted:I have issues with maximum extraction... I raise preflop 4 handed. Bet the turn, checking doesn't build a pot, it will ruin you when it gets checked through and another heart comes on the river.
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Feb 6, 2007 12:56
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I'm not really familiar with live play that much, but with a straddle, why would you want to raise here with A6s? Anyway, flop bet looks good, but that is a really easy turn bet, hope you get check-raised and push it in.
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Feb 7, 2007 12:56
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EC10 posted:This is sort of interesting because it's full ring and the villain is a goon/therefore not a total idiot like everyone else on cake. Pretty much the only way to play it.
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Feb 8, 2007 03:21
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blah_blah is right (I didn't read all of the arguement though), I don't get the turn raise. This seems like an optimal spot to get him to bluff again on the river with total crap, does it not?
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Feb 14, 2007 00:24
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puschel posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?826133 Whats with the wimpy flop raise?
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Feb 16, 2007 00:15
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puschel posted:What would have been more appropriate? Let me put it this way, why confine yourself to the problems of limit hold em by making a limit-style raise?
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Feb 16, 2007 01:17
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souLjah posted:teach me to play 6max then cause i suck at it lol Raise every hand pre and 3-bet anything playable. There you go.
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Feb 16, 2007 05:50
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Hotwire posted:Stupidly long, unformatted text file here of a session (no converters I could find work with PKR.com) Why not just post key hands that you felt uncomfortable playing?
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Feb 18, 2007 02:25
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Playing 3 handed against a few tough, but leaky players. One guy has seemed to hit me pretty hard, it might look like to him I'm tilting a little bit, or he could not be noticing at all. Reason is I've been check-pushing draws on flops etc. ***** Hand 538817618 ***** 5.00/10.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Sunday, 18 February 2007 1:04:03 PM Table TH 739 (Real/Cash Game) Seat 3: T.BROLIN (1486.00) Seat 4: SALucky (1161.00) Seat 5: TheCarbons (1440.25) T.BROLIN post SB 5.00 SALucky post BB 10.00 ** Deal ** T.BROLIN [N/A, N/A] SALucky [6s, 6c] TheCarbons [N/A, N/A] *** Bet Round 1 *** TheCarbons Call 10.00 T.BROLIN Call 10.00 SALucky Raise to 50.00 TheCarbons Fold T.BROLIN Call 50.00 *** Flop(Board): *** : [10c, 7d, 7s] *** Bet Round 2 *** T.BROLIN Check SALucky Bet 80.00 T.BROLIN Call 80.00 *** Turn(Board): *** : [10c, 7d, 7s, 9s] *** Bet Round 3 *** T.BROLIN Check SALucky Check *** River(Board): *** : [10c, 7d, 7s, 9s, 6h] *** Bet Round 4 *** T.BROLIN Bet 200.00 SALucky All-in 1031.00 Who likes?
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Feb 18, 2007 03:22
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Xyven posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?835094 I don't get why you'd ever 4-bet with QQ in no limit poker every while any deeper than 70BB, especially 200BB. Its begging to get outplayed. Given that, rest is ok, a river bet might be good depending how he plays, he might see it as AK, but thats only if he's playing JJ, 99, 88 and calling your preflop 4-bet, which comes back to the entire problem of 4-betting with QQ, its so difficult to put him on a range and exploit him.
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Feb 19, 2007 02:13
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crackstar posted:Given the wide 3-bet range of the BB in a blind battle, isn't throwing out the fourth bet fine? I'm thinking of my 3-bet range here and QQ is killing it. Depends on the villain I guess. I'd prefer to do it with a suited connector though to be honest. Its just that its so hard to extract money postflop, but meh each to their own.
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Feb 19, 2007 06:28
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This might be kind of intereting, I don't know. I'm trying to adapt to tougher games by 3-barreling at a better frequency, see what you guys thinks shadow is tricky, seems to like making a few moves post flop, likes trying to call down with pairs, see what you do on each street sort of thing. He's pretty bad at it though, and +ev to have at the table. Who likes? I had been playing pretty tag preflop and folding a lot of turns/flops etc. ***** Hand 539717873 ***** 5.00/10.00 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - Monday, 19 February 2007 5:00:48 PM Table TH 344 (Real/Cash Game) Seat 1: ab*CD*ef (995.00) Seat 3: shadow786 (3178.83) Seat 4: pago44 (1704.25) Seat 5: SALucky (1780.00) shadow786 post SB 5.00 pago44 post BB 10.00 ** Deal ** ab*CD*ef [N/A, N/A] shadow786 [N/A, N/A] pago44 [N/A, N/A] SALucky [9s, 10d] *** Bet Round 1 *** SALucky Raise to 40.00 ab*CD*ef Fold shadow786 Call 40.00 pago44 Fold *** Flop(Board): *** : [5c, 8d, Qs] *** Bet Round 2 *** shadow786 Check SALucky Bet 70.00 shadow786 Call 70.00 *** Turn(Board): *** : [5c, 8d, Qs, Ad] *** Bet Round 3 *** shadow786 Check SALucky Bet 180.00 shadow786 Call 180.00 *** River(Board): *** : [5c, 8d, Qs, Ad, 7c] *** Bet Round 4 *** shadow786 Check SALucky Bet 400.00
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Feb 19, 2007 07:10
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Xyven posted:That's horrible, since he doesnt have a draw when he calls a disconnected flop like that and your read on him says that he CALLS A LOT. Why would you bluff someone who calls too much? Wait till you have some sort of hand and take him to value town, don't 3barrel stations on dry boards. poo poo, it's not like the river card is even going to scare him. He called your psb on the turn and nothing changed on the river, why would he fold now? I think JT is there, and a queen is very firmly in his range to see if I'm full of poo poo. I'm exploiting the fact he calls this turn way to loose, but the strong river bet pretty much says he needs to beat AK to call. Edit: Also a few random peel hands may have picked up a fd on the turn. LuckySevens fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Feb 19, 2007 |
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Feb 19, 2007 07:29
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Xyven posted:HE CALLS TOO MUCH SO YOU SHOULD ADJUST BY VALUE BETTING MORE AND BLUFFING LESS. Of course he could have nothing and he might fold this time, but why in God's name would you start 3barreling calling stations. THIS IS BASIC POKER STRATEGY. As it is you're throwing money away, even if he folded this time, because this is a bad play. ONCE AGAIN, VALUE BET CALLING STATIONS, DONT BLUFF THEM. Yes, we all know the advice we give to new guys who are starting out playing .25/.50 games, save it for someone else. That is too stop them repeatedly spewing. My situation is unique and not a general theory question, but a specific hand where I normally would never do this, hence why I'm posting. But, even if he obviously peels a little too much, he can still hand read. I mean, so you don't like the second barrel at all? Because I think once we get to the river here, the whole "call too much theory" is sort of bunk, because its obvious I'm playing really really strong here. Guys like this exploit the fact that people don't fire 3 barrels, thats how they don't go broke. They never have to worry about river bets, because TAGs only river bet with the goods. This is the dynamics of the game as I see it. This guy isn't a complete donkey, but he still likes to make too many plays at me and others and tries to be too TV-poker like. I think this guy folds a better hand more than 50% of the time. Also, is there ever a situation against a guy who peels too many flops, where you'd ever fire 3 barrels after a non-drawy flop? Serious question.
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Feb 19, 2007 07:45
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Xyven posted:Then why aren't you following it? I am, except once, because I thought he was weak and I was strong. Thus why I posted the hand.
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Feb 19, 2007 07:51
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ManicJason posted:This has to be a brag post. This is the problem with any bluff post 
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Feb 19, 2007 08:01
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Unamuno posted:Yeah, yeah, you're a unique snowflake flowerchild or whatever. But 3-barreling calling stations like this is one reason (among many) why I lost a shitload of money on fortune. I'm still unsure as to where I described him as a calling station, but oh well.
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Feb 19, 2007 08:09
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albedoa posted:Why did you post this hand for critique if you were just going to ignore the criticism? This goes back to someone asking you earlier this week if you've ever admitted to being wrong before. Just look at the next sentence though, how I said "see's what you do on each street kind of player". I don't know if you've seen these guys, but they seem to like calling with marginal stuff on flops just to see how you react to different turn cards, like floating but not as smart or planned. They can be pushed off hands and don't generally pay off rivers though. I'm trying to work on beating these kind of guys for more money, for obvious reasons. Obviously, I'm going to argue my point, but its always interesting to see what other people think. Xyven's point is more what I'm argueing with, don't bluff calling stations is very true, but this isn't you're run of the mill donator here, these guys are a bit tougher to play. I'd hate to think where my poker thinking would be if I just posted, see what other people thought, then didn't try and justify my play nor tried to extract greater reasoning out of their heads.
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Feb 19, 2007 14:44
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bigfatspacko_uk posted:OK, I started playing NL full ring 2 weeks ago, so I figure it's probably best to start posting in here. turbo call
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Feb 20, 2007 01:58
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EC10 posted:Nachos brought up the push-turn idea earlier in IRC, and while it does make playing the hand easier (it takes any more tough decision making out of my hands); it also doesn't really serve any other purpose. JC is never folding a better hand (overpair, a 6) to my push. In hand 2 I have no doubt JC would call with worse to your turn push.
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Feb 20, 2007 05:42
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Adar posted:also what are you doing trying to donk each other off pots when people stack off 200 BB with one pair? :P Yeah haven't you guys heard of set mining, jeez.
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Feb 21, 2007 02:25
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crackstar posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?842988 Problem is, a lot of cards are action killers on the river making him less want to get it in, namely a heart. I'd just make it 3-bets on the turn. He's rarely raise-folding here unless he's on a bluff, then I doubt he'd be betting the river anyway.
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Feb 22, 2007 01:36
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mandruku posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?856301 Firstly, you shouldn't be playing heads up if you're going to not attack your opponent more. Raise preflop. Next, bet the flop more, like 3/4 of the pot. Or check-raise the flop. Or, when he raises the flop, at least put in a pot sized 3-bet. Just get the drat money in there. Why are you playing it so weakly?
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Feb 26, 2007 05:15
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mandruku posted:I'm still a newbie and I'm having trouble just risking it sometimes. No real excuses. Am getting better though, better than my tryhard-aggressive plays where I'm betting with average hands and getting emotionally involved and going all in with crap and losing, like I have been doing. Risking? You have trips. He will pay you off with worse hands. That is all you need to know. Get the money in the middle.
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Feb 26, 2007 07:16
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mandruku posted:See I'm resonably aware I played this hand pretty weakly, but if I'm positive I've got the buts on the flop, is it ok to play it kinda weakly in order to get some more money out of everybody? You really really really need to read some poker books. I suggest starting with the Theory of Poker, then moving to No Limit Theory and Practice.
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Feb 27, 2007 01:21
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mandruku posted:I don't understand why what I did was so wrong though? The only other contender had a Jack, if I had raised higher he surely would have folded early and I would have made about $0.30 to $0.50 by scaring them off, but in that particular hand I had no reason to be scared of any other possible hand so why not lead them in in? I ended up basically doubling what I put in? You don't see the exploitability in a strategy that consists of "when I'm strong, play weak"?
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Feb 27, 2007 03:26
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mandruku posted:I'm only answering because you asked me. Yeah I see, but that's not my strategy, it's just what I did on that hand. How could I have been exploited in that hand? If I thought there was a reasonable chance of 4th & 5th street ruining my hand then yeah playing weakly would be a weak move, but the way I look at it, I saw better odds of playing weakly and drawing money than playing strong and taking what I could get. I understand it's not "correct" as such. The problem is, you're letting him off the hook with second best hands. You're much better building a pot early in the hand while you're hand is relativly unknown; everyone plays flops strong if they feel the other is weak. As the hand goes on, it becomes more obvious that he can narrow down your hand range to something strong, and by that stage he can control the pot and see the showdown. And by him controlling the pot, you lose money. With your strong hands, you should be looking to build the pot early while your range is relatively wide. This is why you need to make bigger bets preflop and on the flop, it gets his money into the pot, forcing him to stay along later in the hand and pay you off with his stack. Thats why I recommended the books, its a fairly core concept, but one that new players who have never read a poker book and play off their instincts commonly make.
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Feb 27, 2007 05:08
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sofokles posted:I've got a general question about implied odds. Because you can make general statements, like people don't fold top pair when a gutshot straight hits, and people don't fold overpairs on raggy boards. Tailor this to your opponent.
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Feb 28, 2007 15:00
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I don't think he has the straight all that often though.
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Mar 5, 2007 05:29
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Xyven posted:Melvin looks good if he's aggro enough to lead the river with air, if not I'd much rather bet turn+river to try and get him to call down with some trash. Also why are you apologizing Such a lovely spot. I kind of like check-calling the turn, I think he's freerolling against you a lot, I'd go for the cheap showdown. I think even an idiot can fold a set here, and maybe you might squeeze out a dumb bluff *shrugs*.
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Mar 9, 2007 04:17
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solbaid posted:Live 1/2 at Star City Sydney, I've been rather tight and only shown-down the best hand so far. New guy at the table who's shown to be very loose passive raises to 5 in MP, 4 callers ahead of me, I'm BB with 57o I call the 4 and the flop comes 666, all checked around, turn 4 SB checks I lead for 20 representing a 4x boat, all fold except the initial raiser. At this point I put him on a weak pair and I'm willing to give up unless a 7 river, the river comes the case 6 and I lead for 45, MP calls and shows AJ and I muck. This is a train wreck of a hand. Fold pre casino, star city is a rip off, you'll get a better edge playing blackjack in all seriousness. Preflop is probably a fold. On the turn, fold, why are you trying to rep a boat? People never fold full houses, so whats the point? The lead on the river... I know what you're trying to do, but why.
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Mar 14, 2007 09:15
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crackstar posted:A beginner is probably better off limping 22 UTG in 6-max than raising, getting a call, and facing a raise of his C-bet on a nondescript board. Is this joke advice? Sounds like the easiest situation ever in poker.
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Mar 19, 2007 23:31
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puschel posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?961765 What are you afraid of? Not much. What will call your flop 3-bet or turn c/r? Probably any one pair ace or diamonds draw. Thats all there is to it. Fold pre too if you're not going to pump this hand. Fold it anyway.
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Apr 3, 2007 08:05
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Am I ever good here? http://www.pokerhand.org/?993377
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Apr 13, 2007 08:17
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Raise it up. Build a pot and commit MP. If you flat call, and a Q/K comes on the turn, it'll kill your action, especially since there's so many in the pot. If you raise, they won't suspect the K hit you as much.
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Apr 20, 2007 10:56
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Yeah arrg, I hate to put on the hate, but you deserve it.
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coiol posted:Super weird hand I just played on Cake. PFR is a multitabler who doesn't seem spectacular. Mediocre I'd say. The flop checkraiser is an unknown but I'm thinking he's fairly decent since I haven't noticed anything stupid in about 30 hands. Let me put it this way... I'd pay a grand to be in your situation.
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