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blah_blah posted:He doesn't have to have AA (e.g, he can have TT+ as well and play it the same way) and you're getting a great price to try and spike and 8 or 9 and see if he checks the turn. Yeah, this pf play is going to be a solid hand most of the time against an unknown [from what I've seen at least], and his flop bet is great for you. I don't think the c/r accomplishes much at all, and you are most definitely killed once he shoves. If I added correctly, you are getting like 14:4 to call the flop which is 3.5:1. You have 6 outs that are likely going to stack his overpair pretty often, so I just c/c.
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Morphius22000 posted:1st hand is pretty read-based, he could be a super-aggro donk with QTo (according to your hands he seems to be), or he could have a set, I wanna see what others have to say here because I'd have trouble too. I agree with you on pretty much both of these. First hand is definitely read dependent, against an unknown I probably sigh and call and make a note. Second one I make it 2.50 to 3 preflop, and flop play is ridiculously standard, especially with his stack size.
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Most of the postflop play has been covered, but don't open limp preflop. Raise it up to build pots when you flop sets, and to have a chance to take it down on the flop when you miss.
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faarcyde posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?797988 After he bets flop and turn pretty strong, I think most of the hands he's folding are missed draws, which you beat so there's no point in folding them out. I really don't think he folds that many better hands here so I probably check behind. EDIT: Also, at NL25, not many people are going to going flopped top pair to one over.
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Big Poppa posted:I'm not a big fan of the check in the BB here. You most likely have the best hand here, and you aren't in position. Raising preflop here sucks for the exact reason you gave. You are OOP, they likely aren't folding here enough to make it worth your while. Check and see a flop.
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Feb 20, 2007 01:33
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What was EP's action?
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mandruku posted:maybe I raised too weakly pre-flop Yeah, you should get in the habit of raising to higher amounts preflop when you reraise. I tend to make it 3-4x what they made it. Since their raise here was already pretty sizeable, I'd make it like $0.90 - $1.
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Feb 26, 2007 22:03
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Deltron 3030 posted:Is just calling the river weak? Yes, you are ahead a ton here. If I check that river, I'd probably c/rai. Sets = nuts. I don't see him having a higher set here unless he got there with JJ somehow, as I think most higher sets are raising the turn [esp since he's somewhat agg]. The only non set hand that got there is T9 which I don't really think he has here. Edit: I don't mind your overall line at all here. I will c/c, lead turn with sets somewhat often. Given the texture of the board, he will likely bet his missed draws here so your river check will pick up value from those [but lose value from one pair type hands that check behind]. Also if he's at least somewhat agg he'll bet most two pairs on the end and your c/c misses value from those. EDIT2: Oh, 65 got there too, also unlikely though. rivals fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Feb 28, 2007 |
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albedoa posted:Not if someone else gets this donk's money. You are passing up so much value if you fold here. Not only that, but we're still more or less flipping even if our J is dominated or reverse dominated [which btw, I think we're reverse dominated here a ton]. Call, hit flush, ship bux.
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kalensc posted:I'm a bankroll nit, not a "committed to a chart of good poker hands" nit, you silly goose. A nit is a nit is a nit, okay?
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It's cake.. I get it in without thinking twice about it.
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tightshirt posted:Much less of a coinflip if the other person has an A or K I know the math is a bit different, but assuming equal stacks you are still flipping because your equity is right around 33%.
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Mar 20, 2007 20:07
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Fold preflop, get it in there.
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I prefer calling turn/reasonable river bet if you don't think he has it. This is of course unless you think he'll fold like T and below.
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For future reference, there's a SNG/MTT thread for tournies. Raise preflop for sure. Raise flop. As played I can't really see folding turn or river because you are getting ridiculous odds, but you are beaten almost always. EDIT: Guess the hand was answered/deleted before I posted.
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Apr 8, 2007 06:47
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Yeah, as has been said, lead flop and hope you can b/3b ai. Take advantage of your image.
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Raise preflop to build a pot when you flop a set. Rest of the hand looks standard.
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Make your 3b pf a bit smaller, in the .30 - .35ish range. The call is fine, almost half your stack is in there so you're getting great odds, and they have worse hands pretty often. Don't post results.
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Biggy_ posted:http://cakepoker.com/HandHistory/?Hand=xcXFxcTFxcbNwcTExMPHx4jFx8bGzcY%3d We can't see your hand.
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Biggy_ posted:Oops. I had A9. If you're going to raise as a bluff on the flop, make it bigger, he's not folding anything to the raise you made. As played even though you're getting good odds, fold to the 3b. You have no idea how clean any of your outs are and as such you are put in horrible spots on later streets always. Not a huge fan of the river call unless you think he does this as a bluff, there aren't many aces you beat. And fold preflop.
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Pizzlefish posted:And crop off everything after ****SHOWDOWN**** so we can give you our reads on what is going on in the hand without being skewed by the results. I'd take it one step further and crop off everything after the decision in the hand you are unsure on. Seeing how the villain reacts to a bet or raise can often skew discussion as well.
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In the AJo hand I might fold preflop because I don't really enjoy playing AJo multiway, but postflop is fine.
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Apr 26, 2007 23:01
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Bet more on turn, put him in on river. You have an overpair and he's shown no aggression, let him call you down with his random pair.
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EL Bombastico posted:did my checking on the turn give my hand away? You are in position here, and as such you never checked the turn.. That said I think you can find a fold to the flop 3b against an unknown. I think you are drawing pretty slim way more than you are ahead.
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May 15, 2007 19:19
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Fold preflop. A low offsuit connector is NOT going to "flop big" often enough to make up for the fact that you are oop against a "decent" player [rereading your post it seems he's partially unknown, which still sucks]. I don't like leading the flop, he's not folding much you beat and you are getting raised by almost all of his hands that he's continuing this [he's not going to smooth call this flop with an overpair]. I think the flop call is meh. If you know he'll stack off almost all the time if you hit on turn then it's okay, but I still hate playing this OOP here. He's probably not raising you on this flop to shut down on turn because it's so drawy, so I guess that's okay for your implieds. As played the push sucks, I don't think he's raise/folding much on a board that's this drawy. Also if you want to bluff, you should do it after the draw comes in, not before [and even then, I wouldn't do it against what is mostly an unknown here].
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Yeah, looks completely standard.
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odiv posted:Is that just how it is at poker.com? No, he messed up the action.
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Ranma4703 posted:Hand here Without reads I think the flop raise is spew.. I'm too lazy to do the math right now but I think calling the 3b is close because you probably need your 9 and 7 outs to be good a large portion of the time, which again, against an unknown they probably aren't.
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darkeye posted:How about this situation I had tonight. Assuming $4 stacks I shove..
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You don't really have the implied odds needed to call the 4bet unless you stack both of them. I think it's a fold.
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Eratik posted:Not sure why you think this is a raise or fold situation. I think he meant raise and fold to a shove.
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perfmode posted:Call or fold? perfmode posted:I wasn't debating whether he should fold or not. What?
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Cbet the flop, river push is fine, you get paid by like any 8 because it's cake.
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blah_blah posted:I agree with this. In my experience people call super light on high paired boards in general. This is my inclination as well. I think most donkeys think THERE ARE TWO ON THE BOARD HE CAN'T POSSIBLY HAVE ONE NOW!
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It looks like you're getting like 350:250 or so, and you are probably drawing to 9 outs a lot, but whatever. I call.
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blah_blah posted:I probably fold getting 350:250; I need 42% equity and like, the only hands that I have that much equity against are the two pair hands that I suspect aren't even in his range here. Yeah, that's what I was thinking is that his range is probably QJ, TT, 99 and maybe KT, K9, T9s[?] with the 2pr hands given less weight which kindof sucks.
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perfmode posted:http://www.pokerhand.org/?1349391 I just c/f flop as a default here without a read. If you are going to try anything else, lead flop and shut down to resistance.
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perfmode posted:I see how a check-raise is a better idea than betting outright in this situation. The C/R is much more threatening, and overcards will still call an outright bet to see if I'll fire another shot. Paint is any face card and floating is calling a flop bet in position typically without much of a hand so that you can steal the pot when checked to on the turn.
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Shove flop, looks like he has right around a PSB behind.
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Strong Sauce posted:The fact that three people say call just boggles my mind Since you think this is push/fold then isn't it basically a loving math problem that you can figure out in five minutes with pokerstove and a few ranges?
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