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Live 1/2 NLHE game at a casino, $100 buy-in: 7 players, 3 big stacks of about 4BIs (to my right), 2 stacks of about 1.5BIs, one short stack of ~80 chips (all the smaller stacks were to my left), I was at 2BIs or so. Action is extremely loose and two of the big stacks are basically total calling stations though I don't have that great a read on the 3rd big stack: UTG: dealt 10 10, I make it 20 (standard raise was about 15) hoping to isolate one or two players....but all 5 other players who were sitting down call. Flop: Q Q Q I check, intending to check-raise 99% sure I have the best hand and someone will bet...there would have been a 3bet with any better pocket pair. Shortstack shoves for like 65 more, everyone folds, I call, guy to my left folds, shover shows A8, river was a Queen so he hit his 4-outer, though it's likely someone else folded an Ace. Main question though...would it have been better just to limp in there UTG cause 10s aren't that great and then check-raising to any action pre-flop? Is check-raising that effective against such loose players especially when I would've been out of position if I had bricked pre-flop and some Broadway cards came? Or was my play decent despite it resulting being a hand with OK cards against a range of any Ace, weak pocket pair, and suited connectors? I know the UTG raise is kinda shakey. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Dec 23, 2010 |
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bbc what it dew posted:why aren't tens great in what is presumably a loose-passive live game? It wasn't like I was the only person betting at the table. edit: Also it was just my reads on two of the big stacks that they were calling stations, one MP guy was just an idiot, I had played with UTG+1 before in a tourney and he's decent but very loose, other players I hadn't seen do too much. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 04:35 on Dec 24, 2010 |
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Really really need to work on my deep game/game selection. I played my longest session ever at live 1/2 (like 12 hours) cause my computer is dead...I bought in for 100bb was up to like 500bb at one point cause of a insanely drunk guy/lagtard/bluffing a lot. I actually said to myself a bunch of times that I was too deep and all the fish had been stacked and I should walk away but I wanted to stay until the tournament the next day... Anyway here is the hand that put me on crazy tilt and caused me to start playing horribly and opening 60% of my hands: Villian in this hand is a young guy who had been playing very tight and hadn't shown any agression or raised until this point. My image is pretty tight when it goes to showdown...he only saw me go to showdown three times and I had monsters each time. But I had been really loose post either firing two bullets or making some kind of delayed bluff if I had a draw and he had seen me just stealing dead money a lot. I was folding a lot when a people were raising me like 3x pot and I only had top-pair on wet boards which I think villian was explointing...I think a bad tendency I got from playing online too much (especially rush poker). Pre: UTG with like 500bb smallest stack is like 75bb..KK open to 15 4 callers. Villian calls from MP. Flop: J9x black. Opened for like 45. Villian snap raises for 100. Everyone folds I call which in retrospect was kinda horrible...but I put him on like AJ/mid PP and was hoping to get some more value later. But I should always be 3betting here right? Turn: red 8...bet 150 he snap-raises again to 600 with like 200 behind with a really excited look on his face...after tanking like 30 seconds he calls the clock on me. I ended up folding. No idea what he had but overpair is usually the nuts live and I had like 60% equity versus his range of AJ/sets/air right? edit: Also what does it usually mean when someone calls the clock that fast? Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 11:02 on Mar 27, 2011 |
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Mar 27, 2011 08:19
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I had a decent amount of history on him and he had been folding like 80-90% of the time to turn and river cbets and i had been doing it all night to him. My image was also really loose since i had been leading so many flops and its possible he raised because he put me on a flush draw.The card missed him as well unless he had suddenly started betting his draws or was bluff raising with 88 on the flop cause I had been cbetting so much. At the time my thought process was he was a nit whose showdown range was like 1st nuts/2nd nuts/3rd nuts. If he has AJ/QJ/JT it was for value and villain would call me down on the turn and river. Looking back on it I'm sure my kings were good and I should've jammed immediately after he called the clock and raised me so fast but I didn't feel comfortable being in a 1000bb pot with just an overpair and no draws. if he has a set and I had shown I was going to bet all 3 streets wouldn't he want to just call the turn and save the big raise for the river for max value? Edit: board was J298 two to a flush. Also should I have been checkcalling or cfolding turn and river if more bricks come? Should I just not have been playing so deep and gone home? The deepest I've ever been is like 300bb. I was happy to have a big stack when there were a lot of drunk fish there but by like 11am everyone was solid and it was pretty expensive learning experience. Ended up leaving only up 100 bucks. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Mar 27, 2011 |
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Mar 27, 2011 14:01
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Yeah you guys 100% right. Appreciate the posts and my overpair was obviously no good in that spot. Thought about my hands a lot from that session and my line there was pretty horrible. Learned my lesson and I cashed out Friday after my stack got too big and the fish were gone.
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I got into a kinda stupid stacksize problem during my live session the other night: The villian in this hand was a really horrible whale...he had sat down with 3.5k at a FR 1/2 table (uncapped) and had a VPIP of like 90% and was raising to $20 pre-flop with like ace-rag/any two-suited cards/trying to buy every pot post-flop. He was legitimately the worst player I have ever seen and every pot he got involved in usually had at least 3 callers. I was actually the table shortstack with like $500 (bought in for $200 but won a large pot when I turned the nut-straight and someone chasing a flush draw paid me off). Anyway I was trying to play as many hands as possible with the whale and another maniac to my right...my image was insanely nitty and I had been playing very few hands. Villian limped UTG+1, 2 players call, I raise to $20 in the CO with 33 (BTN says that I probably have aces and folds), blinds fold, villian calls, two players call, so like 80 in the pot. Flop is T73r villian bets $70 two players folds I raise to $200...villian gets a really uncomfortable look on his face and I was worried he'd fold...he min-raises to $400...I figured there was like $700 in the pot and I'd only have $100 behind if I called so I might as well 4bet ship pray he has T7 even though he might fold...there was no way he had TT/77/overpair since he would've raised preflop. Anyway since the pot was like 2x the size of my remaining stack and I can't fold I'm always shipping there, right? Not that it matters but he said afterwards in Chinese that he folded AT...I saw him later at the baccarat table losing way more Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Apr 4, 2011 |
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^^I had been the most carddead I had ever been for about 4 hours then the whale and maniac sat down and I started playing a lot more hands. Before that I had only showndown like 4 hands and raised preflop like 6 times. No I am never ever ever folding bottom set there against that villian. My question was if I should just 4bet ship on the flop even though my cards are basically face-up (as you said my entire range is sets/AA/KK/QQ) or if I'm more likely to get called on the turn. I obviously want the terrible player to call me. edit: the rake at this casino is 10% capped at $15 so the only way to make any kind of profit is to be pretty nitty. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Apr 4, 2011 |
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Yea the rake is absolutely horrible but it's the only legal poker room in the country and my comp was dead so eh I felt like playing live. There are underground poker rooms here but they do stuff like put chips in the cards (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29/news-views-gossip/live-poker-rigged-new-technology-1010114/) and refuse to pay pots that are too big.
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Very deep live 1/2 game with big draw: I played this turn horribly...really feel like I did not get nearly as much value as I could have in this spot and played a bit scared: I have about 250bb in HJ, villain in CO is a very deepstacked reg with like 450-500bb...my image is very very tight TAG player. Villain is generally fairly passive vs. aggression but does take advantage of weakness. Plays kinda straightforwardly. He was playing about 35% of hands. He really hates wet boards. I have Th9h...raise to 10...villain flats 2 players flat. Pot is ~45. Flop: 9c8h4c...checked to me I bet 30 villain flats two players fold. 105$ pot Turn: 7h...I check...villain bets pot. Wasn't happy but I had massive implied odds and just called. I think he's extremely rarely bluffing here and his range is just TT-JJ/2pair/set. On the turn this is just a super standard checkraise/CRAI right? I think it's pretty hard to lead out that turn cause I'm not happy if I get raised but my cards are somewhat face-up after my check-call...I called with the plan to bet like 1/3rd pot if either flush hit on the river. edit: I'm not entirely sure if the 3rd card on the flop was the 4c but it was a low club. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 10:35 on May 15, 2011 |
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May 14, 2011 21:46
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It's a fold against a competent player though I don't see a good player taking that line ever with an overpair. He has a ton of sets/2pairs in his range. Villian is shoving a lot of blank rivers and it's hard for you to call there unimproved. Unless he put you on a float/QK/98 on the flop you're not in good shape in this dry a board and your line doesn't look like a draw. I don't understand why he'd go for the CR rather than check-calling with hands that you beat like KJ/QJ/AT. Also probably should've bet more on turn for value. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 20:53 on May 29, 2011 |
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May 29, 2011 20:21
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Don't be results-oriented. You have an overpair. When you say tight, was MP3 playing like 6/0? Do you really think villians are just flatting there preflop with AA/KK? OTF you need to be wayyyyyyyyy more worried about like, set of 8s, set of 4s as higher PPs will be 3 betting pre. When you minraised utg's donkbet, what did you think he had? I think that looks really weak/just a bet to protect your hand (btw you need to raise more than cause flushdraws can flat you there and be getting slightly better than 2:1). You need to make around a pot-sized raise to get value from TT-JJ and flush draws. When you minraise I think a lot of draws (even gutshots with flushdraws like A5s/A3s) can just shove over you and get folds since your hand basically just looks like 99+. If UTG shoves over you then yea they probably have queens crushed. Anyway the call on the flop was good you were getting 2:1 on your call board is superdry and I don't think sets/higher PPs from later positions just shove over your hand like that. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Jun 1, 2011 |
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Whoops. In the hand history isn't that clear that the cutoff called hijack's shove I thought it was headsup overpair vs. nut draw and overs. Anyway yea when the cutoff calls the shove after bet -> raise ->2x pot shove you're never good and it's a turbo fold unless you have reason to believe that he's a bad fish. Even ignoring the fact that you read him as tight, a random in that position's range their is like, set/JJ-AA and very rarely jacks and should pretty much always be a set. edit: Just expanding on what CNS said, just try and always have for betting/raising. Like, you raised because you thought you had the best hand, so it's for value so bet more cause you want to build a pot...your raise looks kinda weak and will result in getting put in a lot of lovely spots especially 4 handed with 2 players behind you. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jun 1, 2011 |
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Live 1/2 with a really strange table dynamic and a villain with a bunch of conflicting tells: villian in this hand is a large guy, 30ish, ex or current military with a bunch of tattoos. he had been talking a lot to other players at the table and especially to a hot girl to his left from the same state as him (hawaii). my image is pretty TAGish standard player. i had rivered him in 2/3 pots we played so i think he was annoyed at me before this hand. i had only sat down about 25minutes before so i hadn't seen him do much but i believed he was a decent player. i have ~$260 he has $550 or so. i open UTG+1 with Q  Q to $15...mp calls...villian in CO looks at his cards says "it's time to get my money back" and immediately calls. i'm pretty sure he has like Ax/pp below tens/connectors.$48 pot. flop comes: 6  32. i cbet ~35. mp folds. villian stands up (which is usually a sign of a monster according to "read 'em and reap") and raises 80 more in a really stringy way....calls and then bets in 8 units of 2 $5 chips (which is usually really weak and supposed to look strong). he's looking down at the table the whole time in order to raise that way. i think for a bit about wtf he could be raising me here with and the whole time i'm thinking he's chatting kinda loudly with the girl. i call....believing he would do this to me with any kind of draw. it would suck if he had 54 but w/e. i was going to fold turn if an ace came c/call a heart/check call a blank.turn 245 pot: black 9. i check and he immediately goes all in. he gets really fidgety, is looking away from me mostly and starts talking to this girl again really loudly about random stuff in hawaii for like 2 minutes while i'm tanking. i say "ok i think i have to call here"...he immediately stands up again and looks like he's about to table his cards holding them pretty high with an excited look on his face. i mean this board makes no sense to bluff at on the turn w the busted flush/straight draw based on how much i have behind so wtf can he have here. i am 100% sure he believes i have TT-QQ. he must want me to fold but he was also showing signs of extreme strength. i also think he would do this with set/2 pair. hero???? cliffs of the tells: 1) aggressive personality type (more prone to bluff) 2) being extremely talkative and looking confident (strong holding) 3) stringy raise on the flop (weak) 4) fidgety shoulders (strong) 5) standing up (super-strong) 6) pissed off at me (more likely to try and steal a pot) also what does it usually mean when someone is chatting lot after shoving? it's usually nuts right? edit: i knew that check-calling turn on a blank would basically be an allin for me just the table dynamic/his actions messed with my plan. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Jun 7, 2011 |
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yea it took me way longer to make my decision on the flop than turn. i dunno, i just think just shoving 65bb on the turn after i just got reraised just screams that i will be called by a set. and obviously i can't fold out any draws/made hands. but i think shoving ~100bb on flop is bad cause i have like zero FE in this game, just an overpair and i am a little deep, i don't see how he's raising on that flop with worse PP unless he's really spewey (i hadn't seen him play enough to confirm that he is) or thinks i'm randomly c-betting low wet boards into two players. i don't think he would just spazz out with 77/44. he was definitely tilted but i'm not sure he was spewey. i was prepared to snap-call allin on turn (and would against most randoms) but this guy appeared really comfortable/confident and when he stood up looking very happy to go to showdown right before i decided to fold. if i fold whatever i can topoff. edit: i think he was tilted in the sense that he wanted to win pots versus me regardless of how much $$$ he could've gotten out of it. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Jun 7, 2011 |
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nah he definitely did not think that it was binding or that i had called...he did immediately stand up afterwards ready to slam down his cards on the table after i said it tho. i think he said to me afterwards "so are you calling or folding?" but this hand was like a month ago so i can't remember the convo exactly. plus it was fairly ambiguous. what if someone says like: "i think i should shove" "i'm capable of a call" "normally here i'd want to raise..." - those aren't that much more ambiguous than what i wrote. and yea, this stuff needs to be left to the dealer. my intent with that statement was extremely ambiguous and i was trying to get a reaction out of him. especially in a foreign casino like the one i'm playing in only very clear statements like "call" "raise" "allin" should be binding imo. @Crazy685: uh if the guy flips his cards over it's his mistake and i don't think "i think i have to call" is binding unless it's a super strict casino...i probably wouldn't go back. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Jun 8, 2011 |
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Why didn't you 3bet pocket queens pre? What hands are you looking to 3bet? Rest of the hand is pretty bad, regardless you have to get stacked here villian shouldn't have JJ/JT. If he has a higher set it's really unlikely given the action and just a cooler. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Aug 28, 2011 |
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Would like some feedback on a live 1/2 hand. Table was extremely weak-passive and full of bad players, with tons of donk-betting and folding to cbets. There was a whale I was trying to iso (he was the only other deepstack and had me covered) I usually don't raise this hand. Whale is an old Chinese guy. He was pretty tight, enjoyed chasing draws and is never folding preflop, ever. He hadn't done anything too crazy except two hero calls that made perfect sense given the action but I'm not sure he realized it. It's an uncapped game he bought in very deep and had been bleeding chips to people. Hero has ~400bb and is perceived as being really tight cause I had showndown aces twice over about 4 hours. I thought I was actually playing pretty spewey postflop but w/e. Other villian in the hand is an Asian kid who goes to Stanford. He was having fun but basically a standard 1/2 calling station he has 130bb. He had been talking a lot and mentioning how tight I am a bunch (yes folding for two orbits in live poker means you are only playing AKs++). Whale limps in EP, someone else limps, I raise to 15 (this is standard for the game plz don't comment on my pre-flop action) with 85  in the cutoff, Stanford kid flats, whale calls, one fold. I was just planning to bluff with my image or maybe hit two-pair/combo-draw. Really don't want to talk about merits of raising garbage to iso a whale in position but it's fun!Flop comes ATx monotone so I flop a flush. Check, I c-bet 25, kid tanks for a bit then calls, whale calls. In general I am c-betting this board with like 100% of my range though I'm not sure they have a concept that like, I have a range except I probably have an ace or know that there are boards that I just barrel with anything. I think they're continuing with like any spade, Ax, Tx, broadway gutshot draw w/o a FD is really unlikely but possible. Turn is J . Whale checks. I bet 55. Is betting again here good? Also I didn't really like my sizing all that much but I think it's fine live. I have to bet protect my 8-hi flush right? What's our favorite river card? Least favorite? I don't think I get any action if the board four-flushes or four-straights. Plus I need to charge the whale...same time shouldn't they perceive my range to be super strong cause I'm viewed as being so tight and they fold anything <2pair/pair + FD?
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Yea probably just being results oriented cause the whale folded and I could've won like a 350 big blind pot based on what he said after the hand. Stanford kid shoved over me with top-pair + FD, whale tank-folded and banged his cards on the table a bit, I snapped kid off. River bricked. Tight image took gigantic hit.
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This is 1/2 not 2/5, though it's a very action-y game preflop and 10-12x opens aren't uncommon. Sizing on turn was to get the Stanford kid to commit his stack, making almost full PSB basically puts him allin. I didn't think he was capable of the shove cause he was fairly passive and I hadn't seen him make any moves like that. I think I could've gotten away with 90 though. I know I'm targeting the whale but if both of them call there I can get more value than if one of them does and build up pot size enough that I can ideally get most of my stack in on river for value. I think 2/3rds pot-size c-bets are fine too, I guess I was also a bit worried about getting action cause everyone always sees that board and goes "ZOMG flush". One thing about live poker is people think pot size bets are huge cause they're generally not keeping track of its size. People also hate to break up their stacks and I've done sizing stuff so that they end up committing themselves when they'd fold for 1-3 more chips. And yea easy bet on river w/o the 4flush.
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fistpump calling i got a set its the nuts in live 1/2 i don't care if villain 2 is a 200 year old man who's on a respirator
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Yeah definitely betting bigger on flop, I would bet like 50 or pot it so we can comfortably get it in on the turn. I would probably bet 100ish on turn then come back over the top when he raises the turn as there really isn't anything else we can do with our stack and there are so many bad river cards. His range is worse aces/pair+fd/flush/weirdly played sets, though sets are mega-unlikely given the flop action. As played check-folding river. Any other reads on villain? Do you think he'd raise his draws on flop? I'm also usually opening for more pre live at 2/5 (like at least 30), but I'm guessing 20 was the standard open? Hand 2 is well-played. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Dec 11, 2011 |
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Most live players aren't even aware there is a rake much less how much it is so don't factor that in when you do your sizing. "After I called the raise I was just hoping to fill up" yea don't do this when you start a hand with 60bb, you have to get it in here. If you are peeling to catch 3 outs then move back down to 1/3.
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MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:If you think we're drawing to 3 outs to fill up move down please Also given the way the hand played out it's extremely likely villain had ace.
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Blinky2099 posted:In my opinion, we should call turn like you did, fold every river if villain shoves, value shove blank rivers if checked to. Anyone else agree with this? I'm fine with the turn call, by raising I don't see how AQ/KdTx/draw/anything we get value from can call. On the the river we are only beating like total bluffs so I'd just take a second to admire my hand and then fold. His betting on turn/river ship after betting really small on flop also makes me think he has a made hand...could just be overthinking though. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Dec 21, 2011 |
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Mind_Taker posted:I have A I think betting here into 3 other people with no club in our hand is lighting money on fire. If you are betting definitely betting big on flop...folding to check-raise even his bluffs have good equity against us. But yeah, when we bet even if we just get 1-2 callers the pot becomes really bloated and we have to bet blank turns to protect our hand. Probably checking back flop and betting brick turns is best. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 01:07 on Dec 22, 2011 |
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^^hero says "I know you got it kid" and open-folds for meta-game ldo. though he calls if the villain isn't eastern-european.MY INEVITABLE DEBT posted:The bottom line of this train of thought is "im scared to play larger pots." I'm fine with betting 30-40 (tbh more towards 40 cause of all the stuff Zerostar said). Assuming we get called in two spots pot is ~150 we have 200 behind, we've definitely committed ourselves to the pot if turn bricks which I'm not a fan of deep but oh well, definitely for value. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Dec 22, 2011 |
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1.5:1 SPR on turn. We should be betting like 75-100 on most turns, we have 100-120 left on river and pot is at least 300.
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rouliroul posted:You need to think more about what being "commited" means. You are only commited if your pot odds are better than your equity against villain's range. If your equity is 0% because villain only ever has the nuts in some spot, you are never ever commited no matter how low the SPR is. edit: but you see the pot can get ballooned up really fast and you can be getting crazy odds at the end on a river call in the AT hand. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 11:44 on Dec 23, 2011 |
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Friend told me I should play 6 max cause it's fun and will help me with postflop play. Villain was playing 55/27 over 13 hands. I hadn't seen him donkbet before. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Button ($19.93) SB ($21.12) BB ($27.77) UTG ($9.25) MP ($26.06) Hero (CO) ($25) Preflop: Hero is CO with K  , K [color=#666666]2 folds[/color], [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $0.80[/color], [color=#666666]1 fold[/color], SB calls $0.70, [color=#666666]1 fold[/color] Flop: ($1.85) 8  , 6, 5 [color=#009B00](2 players)[/color][color=#CC3333]SB bets $0.75[/color], [color=#CC3333]Hero raises to $3[/color], SB calls $2.25 Turn: ($7.85) 9  [color=#009B00](2 players)[/color]SB checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $5[/color], SB calls $5 River: ($17.85) 8 [color=#009B00](2 players)[/color][color=#CC3333]SB bets $6.25[/color], Hero ??? I bet the turn so I could fold to a check-raise or a decent size bet on the river but I'm getting like 4:1 here. Can he really have 7x? Also don't sets get it on flop or turn on this mega-wet board? Does the fact that he's playing half of all hands (over a small sample) mean he can just show up with anything here? He has to know I have an overpair but like... Also any comments on my sizing? Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Dec 29, 2011 |
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thanks for the feedback. turn bet was me misapplying something i saw in a cardrunners video =/. agree i should be pot controlling there. think river is an easy fold as played cause i've played my hand so face up he is probably afraid of me checking behind.
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Bug Bill Murray: first hand, bet way bigger on the turn (like at least 80, probably closer to pot sized). on the river you have a set at live 1/2 there aren't too many 4x combos he can have (unless he flopped the nuts, then nice hand sir), i'm calling gently caress it. hand 2: just flat his minraise if you jam he isn't calling with queens/tens/Jx. plus we're out of position. call him down to get to shodwown as long as the pot isn't too ridiculously big. i dunno if villain is thinking on the level that this a good board to c-raise a cbet (those kind of people are really rare at live 1/2 but when he minraises it can just be getting sick of your cbets) but yea just see what he does on turn and river. edit: wrt to Mind Taker's hand you picked a really bad target to triple barrel. i dunno how you can put him just on spades he has tons of Qx/JJ/TT that are never folding. i usually don't take this line but i like leading flop instead of check-raising cause it allows you to make smaller barrels on later streets and you can still valuetown the poo poo out of villain if you hit your draw. i think check-folding is best though. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Dec 29, 2011 |
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Yeah you have pretty level 1 thinking. Just try and put yourself in your opponent's shoes. Imagine you have ace-high on 866ssc with no flush draw and the pre-flop raiser bets. What do you think he has? Probably some kind of pair (he raised pre-flop after all) and if he has a draw you may be drawing almost dead. So it's hard for you to continue and you fold. This kind of flop is especially good to c-bet cause it's extremely unlikely for villain to have hit a piece of it and it's hard for him to continue if he has overs (and his pair outs might not even be good, for example he has AT and you have AK so the ace won't help him or you can already have trips). This is how you're going to win most of your pots (continuation betting). It will also reduce your variance cause you will go to fewer showdowns. Also bet more on turn and serious lols at him being worried about the 6 with the nutflush/action. What a nitroll. River call is fine btw. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 31, 2011 |
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Dec 31, 2011 02:28
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nah flop raise is fine 3x is standard. it's actually good to be shoveling money in/overbetting at a passive table. you have less than a pot size bet left on turn i don't see any sizing other than ollll-in. plus it's kinda gay if you bet like 150, he calls, and you have to bet like 1/5th pot on river and it may be some action killing card. i like the flop lead there are lots of random 2pair combos/dummy straights/sets that people can have 4 handed. wp lovely river.
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Jan 4, 2012 19:27
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I'm assuming he made it 140 more so like 3x, which is pretty standard...if it was 260 total then yea that's too big. Also if you have an aggressive image and haven't shown down anything people will never give you credit. So from the KK guy's perspective you still have tons of draws in your range and a lot of times for live players/lowstakes online "overpair = nuts" though when someone leads and 3bets 987cc Crazy685 knows to dump their aces but most live donks don't. I mean, he did instantly call hero with 4th nuts so he's not thinking on to high a level. Also you wanna fastplay with the flushdraw out there cause if the turn is the king of clubs he may fold.
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Jan 5, 2012 00:25
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The 3bet pre is reallyyyyy bad in a vacuum IMO tho there is some metagame stuff going on here so I guess it could be OK considering it. Ummm if we're gonna barrel def just like bet way smaller on flop then we can fire a cheaper barrel on turn. Also If we've decided we're just gonna blow the villain off whatever he has then maybe just flat pre and donk the flop? Or c-raise flop as a bluff (play it like a set a la tony g)? Both of those are way cheaper then 3betting and having to play a really big pot OOP. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Jan 6, 2012 |
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Jan 6, 2012 17:24
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contemplating a thin call here, villain is 20/15/2.3 AF over 125 hands, also is a mass-tabling SNE robot. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com MP ($53) CO ($73.25) Button ($20) SB ($50) BB ($73.80) Hero (UTG) ($72.75) Preflop: Hero is UTG with 10 , 10Hero bets $1.50, MP calls $1.50, 4 folds Flop: ($3.75) 5 , 3, 6 (2 players)Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50 Turn: ($8.75) A (2 players)Hero bets $5, MP calls $5 River: ($18.75) 8 (2 players)Hero checks, MP bets $10, Hero ??? doesn't he have enough Ax draws in his range that call flop? also he can totally have a drooly set as played even though the board is quite wet. still, it seems so bluffy/fishy to callpre, call flop, call turn, bet river even with his river sizing. also is the turn barrel good cause i'm cbetting all my air on that flop as well? Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Jan 26, 2012 |
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Jan 26, 2012 06:34
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quote:Any advice on how to improve defining ranges short-handed and BvB? Is it just experience and playing tons more hands? definitely jam the jacks pre or on the flop. i am like never ever folding this BvB in 6max unless the other guy is like 13/10. also, if you aren't shipping jacks then your only value range to get it in is QQ++ so they will push you around. also they will fold to your jams when they have queens and you have kings...so in order to get full value from our monsters and be a bit of a nit later we need to widen our ranges to include some lees strong hands and some bluffs as well. like, if we want to be able to shove AK to get value from worse we need to be willing to shove jacks for value expecting to lose some of the time. i'm not saying you should be 5bet bluffing air at NL25 but jacks are super-strong BvB and villain has plenty of hands in his range that you cannot get his stack from once a flop is seen (for example he has AQ and whiffs, he folds to your cbet on T73r) also there are too many boards where we get one street of value max (he has AT, flop comes T73r, we bet he calls, turn is king he shuts down and we usually don't want to turn our hand into a bluff here).
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Jan 26, 2012 06:59
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Re: The live AKx hand, it is kind of heroish to be calling 3 streets when you get c-raised cause people's range is so polarized to sets live but like, it's a wetboard, he can have hands like 34s, 65cc, KQ, etc. that it's just like megaexploitable to be folding TPTK in raised pots 3handed in position when he hit as hard as we do. Our plan should definitely be to stick around for two streets at least...if he shoves the river we can make a soul read but our plan should really be to call non-clubs. Obviously there are certain river cards we can snap-fold to. Watch the most recent episode of "Live at the Bike" where Dave makes a similar herocall on like the first hand of 5/5 when someone tries to make a move on him (gets check-raised on Q87ss when he has toppair, turn brings another FD, river is Jack which completes backdoor FD, Dave herocalls with QJ and villain had 96x for busted OESED, the fact that he rivered 2pair doesn't really matter cause i doubt Dave put him villain AQ, villain either had busted draw or sets in that spot) My hand, villain was 26/18/6.3% 3bet/1.6 AF over 126 hands, he was also a multitabling reg. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com Button ($54.98) SB ($43.27) BB ($19.25) Hero (UTG) ($50) MP ($52.12) CO ($50) Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , QHero bets $1.50, 2 folds, Button raises to $4.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3 Flop: ($9.75) K , A, 8 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50 Turn: ($16.75) 2 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $5.50, Hero raises to $20, Button calls $14.50 River: ($56.75) 2 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $26.98 (All-In), Hero calls $22 (All-In) Total pot: $100.75 | Rake: $2.50 Thought process: typically I c-raise flop when someone makes a really small bet like villain did cause it's like always a draw trying to peel while getting me to fold air. If I had a shittier hand I would probably c-raise then I can fire turns and they fold but I expected him to bet again and then I can check-raise the turn and I get more value that way. After that plan was to shove all non-heart river...then the heart comes. When he shoves it's kinda like 'poo poo' but shouldn't he be shoving turn if he has AK/KQhh/88/hearts? Thoughts? Just raise flop cause we don't know if he will bet turn? edit: one more thing about the AKx hand is that there are tons of combos of draws that villain can have and really only 6 combos of sets (he 3bets KK pre) so unless we have a sick read on him it's just giving him a ridiculous amount of credit to fold turn or even think about folding flop 100bb deep. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Feb 6, 2012 |
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Feb 6, 2012 15:13
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Pre, meh. Against a good player I would fold OOP but this guy was a donk and AQ isn't like...AT or something. He could have been floating my turn c-raise to draw to like 2 outs or with plan on shoving if I don't with only half PSB left. I really don't see him checking anything back with the stack-pot size...by shoving that river I think I am kinda turning my hand into a bluff I dunno if he hero-calls me with Kx/folds chops though I can have hearts. If he doesn't have much showdown value he will definitely shove river when checked to.
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He had T9x fwiw. I had PTR'd him at one point...was down like 8k at NL50 over 1.5mill hands. Dr. Eat fucked around with this message at 08:59 on Feb 7, 2012 |
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