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1st hand is pretty read-based, he could be a super-aggro donk with QTo (according to your hands he seems to be), or he could have a set, I wanna see what others have to say here because I'd have trouble too. 2nd I would probably RR more preflop, closer to 2.75 maybe. On the flop it's completely standard, he's short stacked and could do this with ANY pair, put him in.
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LorneReams posted:KQs vs A2s shorthanded with a flush on the flop. Is there any way out, or is this a standard cooler? Standard cooler. I'm sure you can find some hand somewhere where the tightest player ever pushed allin and you should have folded (in fact Alan Friedman or whatever his name was started crying because he called with a Khi flush vs. the Ahi flush) but don't worry about it.
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Feb 8, 2007 08:51
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Strong Sauce posted:1/2 hand No one ever responded, so I will. It's not a bad call, you've got a made three of a kind and there wasn't any aggression from MP (so you've probably got him beat). Raising opens you up to a lot of hands that could beat you reraising (whereas a 7 or 9 probably won't call), and you don't want to call off a lot of money losing. FT: I'm more with albedoa, I like floating in position when flops probably haven't hit him. Although I'd float sometimes, raise sometimes, and depending on reads (if he c-bets a lot) I would fold a few times (maybe 20%) because he's raising with lots of hands that missed shorthanded. But yes I'd also RR preflop with AQs usually. Morphius22000 fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Feb 9, 2007 |
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Feb 9, 2007 06:54
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Ehh, I really prefer folding here, and here's my logic. 1) If you flatcall, the bigstack will certainly do so as well. Now there are so many bad cards for you to see (any K, Q, club, 9, even an A if he has KQ) where you'll have to fold to a big bet as you'll only have TPTK(except for the A obv, where you have top two). If a blank comes, you can be pretty sure you're ahead, as JT and 44 probably wouldnt slowplay, but if he fires again, do you want to go broke with this hand? 2) If you flatcall, the bigstack can also reshove, where you probably have to fold. You've seen him be aggressive on coordinated boards, but that doesn't mean he didn't have it, as you've never seen a showdown. There's no reason to dump that much money with TPTK, once again. 3) Isolating is a possibility, but still this isn't strong enough to throw away money in a RR to 500, at which point you're committed anyway.
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Feb 10, 2007 09:37
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Only thing that hasn't been said is I don't think most jacks or nines will call here, with an overpush and a flatcall. AJ, 2 pair, yes, but I don't see QJ or A9 (or a gutshot???) calling. That puts a larger range of drawing hands than hands you have crushed, so I like pushing more. Then again, it IS cake, and I'm not EC10.
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Feb 19, 2007 21:26
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This isn't too indepth a point, but as you can see from that hand, it's always best to sit with the full amount, so you can win the most from your strong hands. Unless you had just lost a big hand, in which case, sorry, I'll shut up now.
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Feb 26, 2007 22:10
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mandruku posted:Well thanks. I think I get what you're trying to say. Appreciate the tip In simpler terms, in the beginning he doesn't know if his second best hand has you beat or not, so if you bet more he'll still be calling you, then later when the pot's so big that he can't afford to fold even though he realizes by now you're probably ahead, you get all his money.
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Feb 27, 2007 08:25
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Yes. He could have a naked ace, or a flush. If he slowplayed AK or AA somehow all the way (would he slowplay A5 and A4 too? I don't really see that) then oh well, but take him to value town.
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Feb 27, 2007 15:51
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Uhh, slide them in? 2pair against a loving idiot with a big range, I'll go broke here. He probably has you beat if you're posting it here, but he could definitely have AT, AJ, KQ, or worse.
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Mar 7, 2007 23:17
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Cooler and move on, especially at small stakes. Players are idiots at that stage. EDIT: VVVV Didn't mean you're bad, I'm at that level too. I just mean in general you aren't going to need to lay down the second nut flush against anyone (without a MONSTER read) in the future at those stakes. Morphius22000 fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Mar 13, 2007 |
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Mar 12, 2007 22:47
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You would fold? Who open pushes a monster like 66 or JJ? CactusJac's already quoted the important odds so I don't need to, suffice to say you don't look for EVERY POSSIBLE HAND THAT WINS!!!!11! like J6 or J4 after calling a PFR then open pushing.
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Mar 13, 2007 23:34
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Combo draws come down to how your opponent plays a lot of the time imo. Obv I'm more inclined to raise a more passive player when I flop a big draw, then 2 (and maybe 3) barrel them. Also, your second combo draw has four more outs than the first one, and that enters into my thought processes too (I will bet the turn with these more often). Basically, I like the first one because your raise on the flop gives you (essentially) a free turn card, although I may have raised him on the turn just because of the minbet, depending on whatever that bet has meant for that player in the past. Second one, I may have bet a smaller amount on the flop, because you really WANT people calling here, don't you? You've got so many outs to hit, and if you get 2 or 3 people calling a 1.50 bet on the flop, that's more money for you to make when you hit your draw. I guess you could be worried about better hearts, but I want to hear other opinions on how that should factor into your decision. As played I would probably bet the turn, then c/f river if I'm called (or would that be wrong too, since in a limped pot it's very likely they have a draw or middle pair, and 3 barreling would be better?).
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Apr 7, 2007 23:32
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EDIT: Basically what the people below me said. I was on quite a bit of live-poker-beats-tilt when I posted this, and should have thought it through.
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Apr 10, 2007 07:20
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Not Who You Think posted:
It's called the SNG/MTT Critique Thread, a little more down the PITR page. It doesn't get the love that the NLHE thread does  .But at least it's not forgotten like the Limit thread! Ha!
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http://www.pokerhand.org/?1008247 First off, I know I hate reading entries like this, but I hadn't played with him for a round yet so no real reads. Had raised once and 3bet an EARLY POSITION RAISER preflop once, both times with no action. So what do you think about my line? Is the 3bet too aggressive(or should I have just 3b ai)? Do I fold or call here? I can't really read absolute's HHs so I don't know the exact pot odds and therefore have a hard time 3betting for the pot size, as I'm used to FTP... Morphius22000 fucked around with this message at 22:45 on Apr 17, 2007 |
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Apr 17, 2007 22:25
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Yeah after the fact I really think it screams set too. I'm pretty sure you see 77 or 55 much more often than KQ or QJ to make this a correct call. As for the actual hand, I tanked for a while, called, and he showed AQ. 
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Apr 18, 2007 14:23
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blah_blah posted:simple, have you ever played online poker or NL cash at a casino before? Your advice is so bad that I have to wonder. You know, I think there are better ways to say this than LOL YOU SUCK YO. I don't believe he'd be posting here if he had never played before, and I find it's very helpful to have your advice shot down, as opposed to just reading other opinions on hands (which helps too). All I'm saying is I don't think we need the elitism here when he's obviously trying to help or encourage discussion.
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May 1, 2007 21:09
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What? The stacks aren't nearly big enough for multi-street firing. The pot's 275, and Sauce has 300-350 behind him. If he flatcalls the pot will be 400 and he'll have like 275-300, meaning he'll have to put it in on the turn. I push or fold here depending on whether he'll fold overpairs or not (since he's a smart player I'm more inclined to jam and hope he puts me on a set, and even if he doesn't I'm still only about 3:2 against). VVV Oh you're right, I'm thinking in terms of BBs (thought he raised to 10bbs, 50bbs, so on). Morphius22000 fucked around with this message at 09:56 on May 8, 2007 |
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May 7, 2007 17:18
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Wh..Wh..Why do you have no idea what you were thinking? How is this a bad play at all?
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I don't think you really should be calling the flop with more than 1 person in and a drawy-rear end board OOP. That being said, I like the line otherwise, because who slowplays top 2 on this board? He flatcalled the flop and turn, which makes me think more a draw or a set, and your boat on the river makes you go broke. But folding that flop is never a mistake with TPNK OOP. Sure sometime some random J will win at showdown, but the times you dodge coolers like this make up for those small profits.
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Jun 28, 2007 22:34
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Never fold a set. Especially on that board. He got lucky, end of story. VV I'm not telling you to stop whining or anything, just that it's a pretty simple hand. Morphius22000 fucked around with this message at 20:03 on Jul 13, 2007 |
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Jul 13, 2007 19:55
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TheDivineRod posted:Also, is there a good hand converter for these forums? pokerhand.org is god
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Not UNIX posted:I think this might have been a really stupid call, but at the time I thought the pot odds were in my favor. Was I way off base with my calls? UTG raises, you call with 89hh with 5 people to act behind you? Not to mention stack sizes/blinds, that hh is such an abortion I don't even want to try to read it. Either way, you want these hands on the button, not in MP. Also post these in the SNG/MTT Critique thread in the future. Morphius22000 fucked around with this message at 06:19 on Jul 21, 2007 |
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