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Feb 24, 2004

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Lucindawst posted:

I have never read Pratchett, though I just picked up Good Omens which was co-authored by him with Neil Gaiman who I adore. Has anyone else read this, is it a good read? I am hoping to be able to spare some free time during my daunting fall semester to get the book read, but I haven't had the chance to start yet.

It's great. Both authors manage to mix their styles pretty well.

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I picked up half a dozen Discworld books for fifty cents each.

I just read Guards! Guards! for the first time and it was amazing. Really amazing.

I'm reading Sourcery now and I still hate Rincewind but Conina and the Luggage almost make up for him.

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LooseChanj posted:

Am I the only person who actually likes Rincewind? He's hilarious.

I liked him in The Colour of Magic. Since then he's been obnoxious.

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daggerdragon posted:

WTF HOW WHERE?!?!

YMCA thrift store. The one in Blacksburg, VA is a veritable gold mine of excellent reading material.

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I'm most of the way done with Lords and Ladies and I'm liking it far more than any of the previous Witches novels. Pratchett's elves are loving scary and awesome. Also it's about time Magrat kicked rear end instead of being Granny's verbal punching bag.

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Chaglby posted:


On my way home I purchased The Light Fantastic and Equal Rites so I will have reading material while I'm waiting for planes to take off and then sitting inside them while I travel south for the holidays. I've really wanted to read some of Pratchett's stuff for quite a while, and when I heard about him being diagnosed I couldn't help but finally start. It really is sad that such and active and clever mind will go through that.


I didn't like Light Fantastic or Equal Rites all that much, but I loved the Color of Magic.

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To really get Death right, he'd have to move his mouth, without it syncing to the words.

He tries so hard to humanize himself, but can never get it right.

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thrakkorzog posted:

Pretty much. Basically it works off of the whole, 'If you drink a vampire's blood, you become a vampire' rule. Granny willed it to work in the other direction, so that by drinking her blood, all the Vampires got stuck with Granniness. So they want to be evil, but they can't. And they're also stuck following all the goofy vampire rules, with the Vampire kids seeing religious symbols all over the place.

It's the fact that Granny wants to be evil, but can't, because she's the good witch that makes her so awesome. The speech in Witches Abroad where she goes off on her sister, the bad witch, shows just how much that hurts her. She's pissed. She's powerful. And she can't go on a rampage like Black Aliss, no matter how much she wants to, because she's the good witch of the pair.

It's even better in Masquerade. There's several scenes where she says "let's do some good," in a really creepy and evil way before doing something pretty awful to someone that turns out to help them the most.

So, even though she's forced to do good deeds, she often does them in a manner that others don't like or appreciate, and thus has her reputation as bad news secured. It's the closest she can get to the evil she really wants to do.

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M_E_G. ADI. K posted:

The Incarnations of Immortality series is pretty good but I'd recommend stopping at around the 7th book (the one about God). The setting is a sci-fi/fantasy mix and most of it doesn't suffer from the author's obsession with 15 year old girls.

The 8th book, about the Incarnation of Night, frankly just has WAY too much loving in it for my taste. The teenage hooker protagonist literally screws every character she encounters either in trade for progression on her quest or just for the sake of it. It's not a huge surprise it was self-published, I felt faintly embarrassed to be reading it - there was too much sex for it to be an actual novel but it was so vague it didn't qualify as porn.

Dead Like Me was a good series with developing background and decent character development.

The MST3K version of Soultaker, as you said, is hilarious, especially some of the fake Robert Z'Daar lines.

I didn't even realize there WAS an eighth book.

Personally I'd stop after the fifth. The sixth and seventh weren't all that good.

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Piell posted:

Every book in that series is worse than the previous one. The easiest thing to do is to read until you start disliking it, then stop, since the ones after that will just be worse.

This is entirely true.

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Zubumafoo posted:

I've recently been reading a lot of Neil Gaiman (actually, I think I've read all of it, he hasn't written all that many books) and I just recently read Good Omens. I loved it, there were a few points where I had to put the book down I was laughing so hard. There aren't too many books that can get a good belly laugh out of me.

Anyway, I was wondering what novels by Pratchett would resemble Good Omens? I know it was written by both Pratchett and Gaiman, but I'm vaguely familiar with Pratchett's humor from playing Discworld on my old Playstation.



Edit: I just read LooseChanj's post about Good Omens. No, you weren't smoking anything...or well, I don't know if you were, but either way, the book had me rolling.

In general, the humor was mostly Pratchett and the weirdness was mostly Gaiman, though there is some overlap.

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Kasonic posted:

Out of all the books I think Mort would've been the best to make into a movie. It's very self-contained, and for some reason Mort's transformation into Death really sticks with one of the rare(if not unique) things in the Discworld series that would work even better on film.

That or Witches Abroad. I'm just dying to put an audio track to Baron Saturday's entrance in the climax.

Witches Abroad could be done like a (not sucky) live-action fairy tale, like Enchanted. The book has a concise beginning, middle, and end and most of the humor is just a twist on standard fairy-tale stuff anyway, which cuts down on the required exposition.

It'd probably be even easier to make than Mort.

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Pope Guilty posted:

Psycho Battle Magrat was great.

Pratchett writes very memorable books, with fun plots, but I find that very few individual scenes stand out above the rest. They're all good, but few are great, in the sense that I have a difficult time picking out a single favorite part of any Discworld book.

Psycho Battle Magrat is great.

Baron Samedi's entrance at the end of Witches Abroad is great.

Bill Door vs New Death is great.

But that's about all I can think of, off the top of my head.

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DontMockMySmock posted:

Vimes capturing Carcer at the end of Night Watch is probably my favorite scene in all of Discworld.

I'm trying to read the Watch novels in order so I haven't got to that one yet. I'm sure I will eventually, especially with all the praise it gets around these parts!

Discworld is my go-to series for when I want a new book to read but there's not a specific new book that I'm after. So, while I buy a new book about once every couple of weeks, I only pick up a Discworld book about once every couple of months.

I'm slowly getting them all. I own all the Death novels, most of Rincewind's, most of the Witches, and I'm at Jingo in the Watch series.

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precision posted:

As far as great, dramatic scenes, he writes plenty. The earliest one I can think of is the intro to Sourcery; that is really gold stuff right there. Also see: the climax of Mort.

Oh, definitely. It's just that, unlike most books, his awesome parts don't really stand out in my mind because the rest of each book is just as good.

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Whenever I want a new book and don't have anything specific in mind, I pick up a Discworld novel. I try to stay in order, but that is difficult.

And sometimes I stumble upon a deal too good to be true. A year ago I found several Discworld books with weird-rear end UK covers. I got Guards Guards, Men at Arms, Witches Abroad, Lords and Ladies, and several others at a consignment shop for $0.50 each.

Last week, I stumbled upon several hardcover Discworld novels for less than $2.00 each at a used book store. This is how I got Making Money, and it is now my favorite Discworld novel. It's fun. Moist is an excellent character. I hadn't picked up any of his books yet, as I was trying to fill in the gaps in my Rincewind, Witches, and Watch colletions, but I will most certainly pick up the other novels with Moist now.

The only sad part is that I'm quite close to completing my Discworld collection. I'm to the point where I am more likely than not to already own the novels I find on the cheap and the shelves at Borders sometimes don't have the one specific book I want.

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I finally got around to reading Night Watch and it is a truly amazing book. drat.

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Vengeance of Pandas posted:

bandits with very poor decision making skills.

That reminds me. One of my favorite Watch scenes is the one where the unlicensed thieves attempt to rob that bar the Watch all hang out in. Slowly, the thieves realize that they've screwed up badly, and take a hostage. It's Angua. They haul her outside but the POV stays inside as Carrot and Vimes discuss what they're going to do with those thieves. The discussion is somewhat interrupted by screams and fingers scrabbling on the glass. Eventually, Carrot and Vimes agree thieves' injuries were self-inflicted.

I love that whole scene so much.

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seaborgium posted:

The whole Watch philosophy has changed so much since the beginning. Vimes just using Bluejohn the troll as a riot shield, or in Night Watch when he discusses how he would have gotten a barricade taken down (Very loudly tell Detritus to point his crossbow at it and just wait for the barricade to remove itself). As much as he might not like other species, Vimes is very good at using their strengths to help the Watch work better.

As for the unlicensed thieves, at least the Watch was nicer than the Thieves Guild would have been.

It's pretty bad when "mauled by a werewolf" is better than the alternative.

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John Dough posted:

:ohdear:

On one hand it would be fitting to end her story in some way. On the other hand she's way too badass to die.

Also, a few days ago Hogfather, The Last Continent, Carpe Jugulum and Jingo arrived from Amazon, so after I finish my current not-quite-pulp scifi book, it's on with the series :dance:

Hasn't Granny already beaten Death at a game for a life? God knows she could do it again. That old harpy is the scariest thing on the Disc.

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ONE YEAR LATER posted:

I still got some books I'm looking to unload. If ya'll are interested lemme know.

Reaper Man
Small Gods
Hogfather
The Fifth Elephant
Jingo
Witches Abroad
Soul Music
Men at Arms
Feet of Clay (words in the heart cannot be taken)
Lords and Ladies

I do not own The Fifth Elephant. I'm tempted to ask for Small Gods just so I have an extra copy to loan out.

What're you asking for these?

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Nothing, just treat them nice.

That's awesome.

I'm going to withdraw my interest, though. I just saw that I actually DO own a copy of the Fifth Elephant.

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I watched the Color of Magic on Netflix instant the other day and really wasn't impressed. They got a lot right, but what works in the books just felt silly or fell flat on the screen.

If anyone wants to watch it, be aware that it expires in just a few days so do it now!

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That hourglass is the most intriguing thing on the cover. It's pure speculation, but knowing Sam, he's out to save someone from an unjust Death.

And it's been said that Sam would arrest anyone.

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The problem with reading the arcs in order before starting another is that Pterry improves so much over time. His early work is very much his early work and feels quite different from his later works. So by the time you finish, say, Thud!, going back to something like Mort or Wyrd Sisters is going to be quite jarring.

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Desiree Cousteau posted:

Only the ones where the handling of waste is not controlled as a government monopoly, or has been so tied up in miles of regulation, red tape and kickbacks that an honest (mostly) merchant has to either give up or knuckle under.

That is the most interesting element of Vetinary; total dictatorial power handled in a way to enforce the rule of law and not the rule of a single power-maddened loon. And how does it survive past Vetinary's death?

He passes his power onto the one man who thinks as straight as a corkscrew: Moist.

And he sets Vimes to watch him.

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Canemacar posted:

I've always thought of him as Teddy Roosevelt the Wizard.

I've never thought of it in those exact terms, but now that I hear it, "Teddy Roosevelt the Wizard" is really drat close to how I pictured him too.

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I just re-read Feet of Clay for the third or fourth time, and I just caught the Robocop references, such as "Undead Or Alive You Are Coming With Me"

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AXE COP posted:

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I immediately thought "What duck?" and got a huge smile on my face.

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Mister Roboto posted:

If not for the face, I'd have wagered that was Moist and his rich little dog. I could see him wear the same suit but remove the fancy gold and make it "regular" again.

That was my first thought as well.

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Wolfechu posted:

No doubt. Took me years to pick up on 'he looks a bit elvish'.

Just to clarify, that's an Elvis joke right?

Sometimes subtle humor passes me by and I'm left wondering if what I'm laughing at is what I'm supposed to be laughing at.

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Flipswitch posted:

Just started reading and I Shall Wear Midnight last night and I'm already 2/3 of the way through, I'm surprised how much I love the Tiffany Aching Books.

I just started them for the first time! I finished Wee Free Men yesterday and read the first couple of chapters of A Hat Full of Sky.

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Pesky Splinter posted:

I've read them all, but I've never really been able to get into the Tiffany Aching books. But the strange thing is, I've never really been able to figure out why. I mean, Tiffany's an okay character, but...yeah. I'm not sure.

I'm down to Sourcery and Moving Pictures as the last two Discworld books I've yet to read. Any general thoughts on their quality?

Sourcery isn't bad, but it's definitely got that "early discworld" feel. It's not nearly as polished as his later books, and a good chunk of the humor exists for its own sake, rather than the cutting satire we get later.

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Tardigrade posted:

There's a lot of things done that are sensibly ignored in the following books. And reading it after reading later UU-centric stories is quite jarring.

True. In much the same way that Equal Rights is largely ignored.

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I like Pyramids except when Ptraci is around. The first third (assassins) and the last third (mummies) are awesome, but the middle part has waaaaaay to much Ptraci.

You Bastard is loving awesome, though.

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I'd love a poster of all four Death covers. Soul Music and Hogfather, especially.

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Damo posted:

Started Wyrd Sisters in my ongoing publication order read through of the series, and holy poo poo the scene of Granny and the witches watching the play at the beginning has to be the funniest passage of discworld so far. Granny's actions as a result of not understanding theatre but hating to admit ignorance is funny as hell in itself, but I just about died when Magrat dreaded explaining to Granny about men playing women on stage because she knows that granny has "Views". I love how "Views" is capitalized, that somehow makes an already hilarious line even funnier. Also this scene is the first appearance of Granny's death stare in this book and it is incredible as usual.

Granny is so awesome. She was the best part of Equal Rites and 20 pages in to Wyrd Sisters I can tell that as good as she was in Equal Rites, I'm in for a exponentially more funny and awesome Granny in this book.

"Things that try to look like things often do look more like things than things." God I love this series. So glad I'm finally reading through it.

Granny really is the best. She's got some great scenes in the Tiffany Aching books, and it's great to see how all the other grumpy old ladies feel about Granny. It ranges from horrified admiration to hushed, terrified dismissal, as if she might be watching. (She is.)

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kmzh posted:

Oh man... I don't really care for the Windle Poons stuff but the Bill Door sections are some of my favorite in all of Discworld.

Pretty much. Reaper Man is half of an amazing book, and Windle loving Poons is the half that drags it down.

"What hope hath the harvest, if not for the care of the reaper man?"

So good.

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I think that contrast is why Nanny and Granny work so well together.

Nanny will help you because she likes you. Her bedside manner is amazing. You want Nanny to stop by, unless you're married to her sons.

Granny will help you whether you want the help or not, in the most efficient way possible, and leave you wondering if you might have been better off if she never stopped by in the first place.

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I just read Nation for the first time, and I regret that I hadn't read it before.

It may be his best book.

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