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H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe

I wasn't convinced until I heard Earth Song. I always wondered how they got that huge bass sound.

Rightio, Octave and Envelope filter are on the list. The MXR pedals of each seem pretty killer (especially for the price). Anything else I should consider?

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Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

I have always thought an octave/fuzz octave would suit what I want but those videos did not sell me on the idea. I've got a Behringer Ultrabass amp (it was free and its my backup amp shhhhh) that has a built in octave down with a blend. once that amp is repaired and I can play around with it I might find a use for octave down.

my board, in order:
- Caroline effects Cannonball fuzz vintage king
- Morley Mark Tremonti Wah
- Bass Muff Pi Nano
- VT Bass Deluxe
- Polytune 3 nano

(straight into the preamp stage on my Orange terror bass with no EQ)


VT Bass deluxe was on facebook at a stupid price so I grabbed it to replace my OG VT Bass. I have 3 basses and 2 bands, so each bass has its own preset for each band. its a very big pedal and takes up a lot of space for an always on pedal though. The DI is useful and makes my pedal board a flight rig, although theres some odd design/interface choices such as the FX loop engaging with a double click of the same button that changes between preset bank A or B that make a lot of its features a bit annoying to use. Honestly might go back to the OG VT Bass instead and save this for studio time.

the Morley wah is switchless so its great. it is too big though and I want to replace it with one of the new, smaller 20/20 wahs. I dont like Mark Tremonti, but my brother does (I am also a Metallica/Burton tragic so he gave me this when he upgraded. a free Morley is a free Morley.)

Cannonball is always on for my doom band. Sounds like ripped speaker cones. the Havoc button means I can make disgusting feedback as chords/notes decay. Another brotherly gift. heres what the Havoc switch does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XiS3fZ3V0Q&t=239s

I use the Bass Muff Pi Nano for my 70s rock band as its a bit less angry than the Cannonball and I have it set up as a bit of a boost for when the guitarist is soloing to thicken up the overall sound.

I've got about 15 other pedals that arent on there. 80% of them are fuzz. I should've just got an MXR Brown Acid like my buddy and called it a day. that is a drat good bass fuzz.

trashy owl
Aug 23, 2017

Laserface posted:

I have always thought an octave/fuzz octave would suit what I want but those videos did not sell me on the idea. I've got a Behringer Ultrabass amp (it was free and its my backup amp shhhhh) that has a built in octave down with a blend. once that amp is repaired and I can play around with it I might find a use for octave down.

my board, in order:
- Caroline effects Cannonball fuzz vintage king
- Morley Mark Tremonti Wah
- Bass Muff Pi Nano
- VT Bass Deluxe
- Polytune 3 nano

(straight into the preamp stage on my Orange terror bass with no EQ)

Why is your tuner at the end of the chain though?

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Mute switch just in case something wigs out and starts making noise. I've never had a problem getting in tune but I have had problems with unwanted noise from standing on cables and breaking them or accidentally diming a level knob when kicking a pedal on.

The cannonball also needs to be first as its havoc button doesn't interact with the knobs on the guitar if there's a buffer in between the guitar and the pedal.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

Discussion Quorum posted:

Thanks. I think I have settled on the Rumble 200.

Me shopping for anything of consequence: https://youtu.be/P2RySXRfnWw?si=Yy9iadC1Gj99V80d

The Leck
Feb 27, 2001

H13 posted:

Envelope filter is on the list...

I kinda hate synth pedals so I'll pass on that front, but cheers for the recommendation :)

I keep hearing about Octave pedals on bass, but...I don't get why? Can somebody provide a kickass example of when somebody's used Octave on a Bass guitar to make something awesome?

(Also, I'm gonna grab a Digitech Ricochet Whammy at some point)
I found this pretty helpful at answering the "why would I possibly want an octave pedal?" question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWrPWi1Qtrs
or the tl;dr version:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCekyZLAZUc

H13 posted:

I wasn't convinced until I heard Earth Song. I always wondered how they got that huge bass sound.

Rightio, Octave and Envelope filter are on the list. The MXR pedals of each seem pretty killer (especially for the price). Anything else I should consider?
I'm far from an expert on these things, but I got a Boss OC-5 and it's been super fun for making organ sounds by adding +1 and -1 octave, in addition to the more usual uses (0 direct sound, maximum -1 octave seems to be the most common). I've resisted picking up the MXR envelope filter so far, but it might be the next addition.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

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Buglord

:discourse: very nice

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



are the fender vintera ii jazz basses good? the lake placid blue with rosewood is my thing

Bread Dragon
Apr 7, 2012

ethanol posted:

are the fender vintera ii jazz basses good? the lake placid blue with rosewood is my thing

If you can play one, check out the G&L Tribute JBs. Fit, finish, and hardware on my G&L Tribute P runs circles around any Fender MIM and even most MIJs I've played in my personal experience, and they're available in lake placid blue with rosewood. I'm an absolute fanboy for them now and I might pull the trigger on an MIA next year.
G&L *do* trend heavy

Seventh Arrow
Jan 26, 2005

So a while ago, I set out to replace my ailing Eden amp with something new and shiny. I saw all kinds of nifty options at the Toronto Long & McQuade music store, only to get there and witness...a refurbished Ampeg and a GK. Not to cast aspersions on GK, but I was hoping on trying out stuff that I hadn't heard before, especially the Mesa-Boogie amps they were supposed to have. So I walked out of there with the GK - it was a nice sounding amp but carrying it was like trying to haul a boat anchor. It had some issues recently so I took it to a local L & M to get it repaired and lo and behold, they had some nice Mesa amps there. I decided that since I'm in my 50s and can't afford getting a hernia every time I have a rehearsal, I would swap out the GK for the more lightweight M-B Subway WD-800.



My Dad comes from the days when he would use punch cards with a mainframe and his eyes did this :eyepop: when I showed him a tube amp* that weighed 7 pounds.


* well ok, hybrid

Dang It Bhabhi!
May 27, 2004



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ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Bread Dragon posted:

If you can play one, check out the G&L Tribute JBs. Fit, finish, and hardware on my G&L Tribute P runs circles around any Fender MIM and even most MIJs I've played in my personal experience, and they're available in lake placid blue with rosewood. I'm an absolute fanboy for them now and I might pull the trigger on an MIA next year.
G&L *do* trend heavy
that was a good suggestion but I’m working on a project and I just wanted to get something really close by




Anyways I have a shitload of guitars but this is my first bass. I’m not having too hard of a time playing it right away actually. Playing it seems to be easier than mixing it though because it’s a bit muddy. I need to watch some eq videos on this. I am using a helix for amp and cab sim right into my mix.

Definitely setup was way off at first. Unplayable high action above 3mm, both saddles and neck needed to be adjusted. Lucky its all the same work as a normal guitar.. I was able remedy all that and it immediately became really fun and addicting to play. Should have gotten a bass a very long time ago!

BrianRx
Jul 21, 2007
I want to experiment a little with string gauges, trending toward the heavier side. I expect to have to do a full setup when replacing the medium gauge strings that are already on my bass, but is there anything I should be aware of regarding tension that needs to be considered? I have vague memories of a friend ripping the bridge off of a cheap acoustic guitar after putting heavy strings on it but imagine brand-name basses are a little more durable. Still, anything to know?

Seventh Arrow
Jan 26, 2005

Curious as to why you want heavier string gauges? I think sometimes people believe it will give them better tone, but I have yet to see that proven.

BrianRx
Jul 21, 2007

Seventh Arrow posted:

Curious as to why you want heavier string gauges? I think sometimes people believe it will give them better tone, but I have yet to see that proven.

More or less that. I'd like a little more low end and sustain, which I can do with my EQ pedal, but figure improving the sound at the source would be better. I really only started paying attention to the shape and tone of my sound beyond what I could dial in on my amp recently, so I'm trying to branch out in general. I listened to some comparisons between flat and roundwound strings and want to experiment a bit there as well. I've got three basses and only play one regularly so I've got some room and time to mess around with the others.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

BrianRx posted:

More or less that. I'd like a little more low end and sustain, which I can do with my EQ pedal, but figure improving the sound at the source would be better. I really only started paying attention to the shape and tone of my sound beyond what I could dial in on my amp recently, so I'm trying to branch out in general. I listened to some comparisons between flat and roundwound strings and want to experiment a bit there as well. I've got three basses and only play one regularly so I've got some room and time to mess around with the others.

If this is for recording you can try layering your bass over two tracks. Track 1 is amp+effects, and track 2 would be straight DI with a high pass filter, maybe a boost on the low end.

If this is just bedroom playing, play towards the neck, maybe use a high mass bridge

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

ethanol posted:

that was a good suggestion but I’m working on a project and I just wanted to get something really close by




Anyways I have a shitload of guitars but this is my first bass. I’m not having too hard of a time playing it right away actually. Playing it seems to be easier than mixing it though because it’s a bit muddy. I need to watch some eq videos on this. I am using a helix for amp and cab sim right into my mix.

Direct only is the way to go. Any recording I've done it seems the way we go.

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



Shageletic posted:

Direct only is the way to go. Any recording I've done it seems the way we go.

You’re saying direct with no amp or cab simulation?

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph

Seventh Arrow posted:

Curious as to why you want heavier string gauges? I think sometimes people believe it will give them better tone, but I have yet to see that proven.

I think this is kinda true if you are in a low tuning and the strings are too floppy but once they're tense enough to have good attack idk if good sound continues scaling with bigger strings beyond that

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

BrianRx posted:

More or less that. I'd like a little more low end and sustain, which I can do with my EQ pedal, but figure improving the sound at the source would be better. I really only started paying attention to the shape and tone of my sound beyond what I could dial in on my amp recently, so I'm trying to branch out in general. I listened to some comparisons between flat and roundwound strings and want to experiment a bit there as well. I've got three basses and only play one regularly so I've got some room and time to mess around with the others.


I choose strings based more on how i want the guitar to play than how i want it to sound, because no amount of EQ/effects will change how it feels to play, but you can add sustain in post production.

less tension = easier to fret and bend at the price of sustain. I also find I need to be more gentle with attack.

More tension = higher sustain, better note clarity for faster playing. Action can go lower, can attack heavier/faster with less flubbing.

Wowporn posted:

I think this is kinda true if you are in a low tuning and the strings are too floppy but once they're tense enough to have good attack idk if good sound continues scaling with bigger strings beyond that


P much this. I went to 110s for my C tuned bass with a 35" neck and it plays/feels like 100s on a 34" neck in E.

one of my guitars I had set up in D but i tuned it down to C as I needed a spare guitar, and the loss of tension makes it sound a little darker which totally suits the music, but not exactly the way I like my strings to feel when I play.

Laserface fucked around with this message at 01:50 on Apr 26, 2024

Shageletic
Jul 25, 2007

ethanol posted:

You’re saying direct with no amp or cab simulation?

I mean I'm gonna show my rear end since I'm not an engineer but that's been my experience, nothing but my pedals and tweaking it accordingly.

BrianRx
Jul 21, 2007

Laserface posted:

I choose strings based more on how i want the guitar to play than how i want it to sound, because no amount of EQ/effects will change how it feels to play, but you can add sustain in post production.

less tension = easier to fret and bend at the price of sustain. I also find I need to be more gentle with attack.

More tension = higher sustain, better note clarity for faster playing. Action can go lower, can attack heavier/faster with less flubbing.

Ah, I pretty much only play live, either at rehearsal or gigs. Feel is number one, sound is a close second. So higher tension seems like what I'm looking for.

Speaking of gigs, we played a pretty mediocre set tonight. Got off stage bitching about not being able to hear ourselves, the engineer buried the vocals, blah blah blah. Then the band that followed us killed it. They were tight, their songs were good, and they brought a decent-sized, enthusiastic crowd to a venue that isn't really set up for live music. They're breaking or about to so I shouldn't really compare our performance to theirs, but they were great to watch, seemed like good people offstage, and I hated them a little because of it.

Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna



Look at this monstrosity my buddy has in his shop. It also has led inlays and weighs like 14.5 lbs. no idea about the maker or date, but it looked like a really early Bartolini set.

Armacham
Mar 3, 2007

Then brothers in war, to the skirmish must we hence! Shall we hence?
Was that for Prince's bass player

ethanol
Jul 13, 2007



how is it 14.5 lb when most of the bass is missing

Kevin Bacon
Sep 22, 2010

wow

Elissimpark
May 20, 2010

Bring me the head of Auguste Escoffier.

ethanol posted:

how is it 14.5 lb when most of the bass is missing

???

The bass is very clearly there.

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Bottom Liner
Feb 15, 2006


a specific vein of lasagna

The owner is a lefty so it’s actually MOM

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