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JerseyMonkey posted:Historie c67 Also, a side effect of reading this manga with such long gaps between chapters, but who is the girl who beat Eumines at chess? Do we know her? She's got some really interesting facial expressions in a manga full of somewhat awkward faces.
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Fuzzy Pipe Wrench posted:Just wondering about the title of the thread. Foreign history from which viewpoint? Japanese, US? There's a lot of really good samurai manga, but there's a cultural familiarity expected in those cases that makes a look at the world the story is set in largely unnecessary. A 'foreign' history manga has to introduce readers to the setting in a way that, to me, is a lot more interesting. On that note, I just saw Rose of Versailles recently, and I learned there was a sequel manga, Glory of Napoleon, and I was wondering if it had ever been translated in any form. The idea of a manga about Napoleon is intriguing enough that I'd quite like to read it, even if it evidently doesn't have the popular appeal of Rose of Versailles.
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Yeah, that was really a great moment for Eumenes and all of us who followed him every step of the way. His ever so slightly smug expression on page 8 was fantastic, especially as he was totally professional and above it all otherwise. It's kind of annoying how SomeManga doesn't have chapter 67. Is there some way to point that out to them or something?
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Zorak posted:Well that was creepy as poo poo. And it looks like Canute has already lost track of his goal. It's certainly unsettling to watch it happen, though. Honestly that kind of ugly progress is one of my favorite things about this manga, and the plot thread that most resembles the themes of Planetes. In that manga a morally ambiguous businessman did terrible things with real human costs while perusing his goal, but ultimately that inspired and drove on the main character and the goal of the whole project was achieved. You know it's bad, but it works, so you can't really be sure it's wrong... all you know is success is bittersweet when its foundation is so rotten. I love it.
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 Me and the Devil Blues   Jim Crow south.  Blues legend Robert Johnson.  Clyde of Bonnie and Clyde. Buy it. I only just heard about it today, but after reading the first several chapters, I think this manga definitely belongs in this thread. Someone who's read more of the thing can give a more substantive sales pitch, but the above sold me on the manga (even without any prior interest in the blues). Somebody fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Apr 24, 2011 |
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"Oh hey, good work guys. You've almost got your freedom, I'm just going to step out for a bit and give it to you when I get back. Shouldn't be an issue." ... Well that guy's never coming back. I'm sure our characters are going to leave the farm one way or another soon, but if they were really going to get their freedom from their benevolent master for their hard work, they'd just get it. They wouldn't be told about it and given time to consider how that would play out if it was actually going to happen that way.
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So the guy's awesome, but lays on the killing thing a Bit Too Much. His motivations for killing are totally understandable, so he's more than sympathetic enough to get a solid redemption story, though this maga's cool enough that he could stay as he is and not need to be explicitly condemned by the story structure. Seems like perfect comrade material. Einar on the one hand offering a more moderate civilian perspective, and this guy on the other hand offering a relatively justifiable extremely bloodthirsty perspective. Even if he's just a one story arc character he's definitely going to test Thorfinn's new found pacifism. The guy was in the exact same situation as Thorfinn and came up with a totally different way of dealing with it. There's going to have to be a confrontation of some sort eventually.
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JosephWongKS posted:That has to include Thorfinn and Einar as well, you realise. They too were smiling and laughing throughout this chapter. But I agree with you that Arneis is the one most likely to end up dead by the end of the arc. This manga has managed to persuade me that he doesn't have plot armor, and it scares the heck out of me. I just love that guy, and the thought of him dying is just  .Lately it's been pretty easy to see him being a longtime companion, so it's not as bad as it has been, but if ever the plot calls for Thorfinn's faith in the moderate path to be shaken, Einar's life is just hanging there by a thread.
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ShinsoBEAM! posted:I thought Einar had history plot armor as well, and was one of the guys who went to Vinland with Thorfinn. Interestingly, there's a famous sculpture of Thorfinn Karlsefni (in Philadelphia, for some reason) that was sculpted by someone named Einar Jonsson.
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JerseyMonkey posted:For those following Historie, we are now up to chapter 70.
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Rakugoon posted:Yeah yeah but what about the harvest!? Dammit, I miss Farming Saga already. But seriously, Canute's plan is pretty neat. It's pretty clear at this point that he'll use the conflict as a reason to seize Ketil's farm while appearing to be lawfully punishing the family... But then... oh lord... what'll happen to the harvest then!? gently caress, this is bigger than I thought! Though to be seriously serious... things like the coin in the eye really don't do it for me. It's actually kind of silly and distracting from the real plot.
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Nondevor posted:Chapters 70 and 71 of Historie are released! I love how the enemy generals are being efficiently fleshed out. Between the characters, the tactics, and the strategy, this manga's doing everything right at the moment. And considering the history, I doubt we'll ever get another prolonged Meiza style interlude. It should be all amazing from here on out.
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Dire Penguin posted:Why... why is this manga monthly? jonjonaug posted:I wouldn't be so disappointed with this if it every chapter weren't about half as long as most other monthly manga I've followed in the past. quote:New Historie too.  I mean, seriously... why does it take this guy a month to make? He left the background of Perinthus a sketch, for goodness sake. I'm sure he's got to have a bunch of other work or something, but it's still frustrating. This would be a short uneventful chapter for a weekly manga. I guess Historie's been like that for a while, but a short uneventful chapter during a long uneventful arc... you can kind of accept. A short uneventful chapter during a really exciting arc... that's something else. Still, cant wait for the naval battle. Eiba fucked around with this message at 14:43 on Nov 26, 2011 |
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Brannock posted:I've been trying to get into Historie but the first few chapters are just so aggressively bland. On the first few pages of the first chapter a girl gets eviscerated and it's the most It's still a really good story if you can look past that, and the setting is loving awesome.
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Brannock posted:I'm about 60 chapters into Historie and it really is getting better. A couple chapters had basically scribbles for backgrounds, I assume the assistants were out sick those weeks.
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It's a shame this chapter was at the same time mostly spectacle and poorly drawn... Well, shoddy art aside... naval battles! I still think this stuff is pretty drat cool, even if not a lot happened.
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JerseyMonkey posted:Historie c74 But at least this time a chapter that's almost entirely trireme porn is actually pretty and not just rough sketches.
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Well there it is. The real plot of Vinland Saga emerges. Everything up until now has been to give Thorfinn the perspective to want to build a better society in a new world. But... [major history spoilers for the likely end of the whole Vinland Saga manga] This is going to be such a god drat sad story... Thorfinn Karlsefni's expedition historically ends with a misunderstanding leading to war with the Skraelings. In Vinland Saga Thorfinn is going to get all the way to loving Newfoundland, build a town there, start to raise a family... but war is going to follow him there and destroy it all. 
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Wow. So much greatness in one post. Vinland Saga: Yeah. I teared up a bit. I do get the feeling that everyone here who's still alive is probably going to join together and eventually be part of our Vinland crew. cooldude2.0 posted:I miss when Historie had Eumenes fighting personally. Or doing anything besides offering a line or two of commentary/advice per chapter. It's slow as heck, but I've kind of come to terms with that. It's building the world beautifully, giving us a good look at the Macedonian army in particular. Also, I'm pretty sure those horses they got out of this expedition are going to be important.
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What's wrong with you people? Two things are true: Gardar killed a ton of people, and each death was a tragedy. He's caused a lot of suffering, and had no conception that what he was doing was wrong, or a single iota of guilt. He was a dangerous, harmful individual, whose net impact on the world was quite possibly a very negative one. Gardar's death was sad as gently caress. It was deeply human and sympathetic. He may not have understood the harm violence did, but he understood love, and he loved the son he never knew, and his wife. He died with regret for what he couldn't do for them. If that had no emotional effect on you, you might be a sociopath. Both these things are true simultaneously. Neither counters or makes up for the other. Welcome to Vinland Saga!
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Jackard posted:Is he the type that would flee the farm, though? Hard to say. Simply because of how well developed he is as a character, I think we can assume Snake will be coming along with Thorfinn to Vinland. Plutonis posted:I was trying to be as vague as possible to avoid this kind of debate, but i guess it can't be helped. I don't get what people have against using them. There are no negative consequences for using them when you shouldn't, and plenty of negative consequences not using the when you should. They're really useful and unobtrusive, and above all really drat considerate. Considerate is good. Let's be considerate. It was a pretty innocent and vague spoiler, so it's not the end of the world or anything, but it's kind of frustrating if only because there's no reason for it to not be behind spoiler tags.
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DrSunshine posted:I don't know about you guys, but personally I'm wanting more Game of Thrones Machiavellian stuff with Canute. Though first I hope there's a lengthy dramatic navigation interlude with Lief, where we learn all about the hardships of oceanic exploration! Zorak posted:Thorkell is going to learn to simultaneously be Thorkell as gently caress while making a philosophical turn around and it is going to be glorious.
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I was just reading Zorak gushing about Planates in the sumulwatch voting thread before I read this. This author is so god drat good. The world badly needs more minds like his that can write pretty much the best sci-fi manga ever, and then turn around and write pretty much the best historical manga ever. They couldn't be about more different subjects, but what they both have is an incredibly vivid feeling of reality. I loved the panel near the end that's the lookout's finger pointing out to sea at four indistinguishable dots. Such a massive threat that will tear everything apart; a tiny thing that's hard to see. RipVTide posted:Also I'm surprised that the kid seems to be all right. Also Leif's reaction to finding his prodigal feels kind of swept under the rug, like it's not a major plot point. Not that I mind, just kind of odd. Eiba fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Dec 27, 2012 |
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Mo_Steel posted:There's a new Historie as well, but it's criminally short. Looks like Eumenes intends to issue fake orders and hope his bluff is enough to convince the other men to act as he wants. Hopefully no actual messengers sent show up, but with the King wounded the disarray might be preventing that. Way too drat short for a monthly manga. But the suffering is only proportional to how invested I am in the story. Can't wait to see how this battle turns out. Cerebral Bore posted:We're talking viking age here, back then you didn't just round up a bunch of people and ship them somewhere else to work. Of course you don't go wantonly slaughtering valuable resources like serfs if you can help it, but if they take up arms against their king it's probably more trouble to keep them around than to import a new lot.
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After going back and rereading the discussion with regards to slaughtering everyone, as I felt like I somehow ended up on the wrong side, the original point was that Canute was likely to kill noncombatants up to and including Arneis, to cover the event up. That is indeed unlikely. Somehow I got it in my head that people were saying that Canute couldn't afford to kill the pitchfork wielding mob of debtors that makes up the rebel army. It's possible he'll offer them amnesty, or more likely just enslave the survivors, but depending on how big the general population is, killing the combatants probably isn't a huge logistical issue. Slaughtering everyone who knew of the fight would be a bit more of an economic problem, I agree.
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JosephWongKS posted:But why does Canute want or need to eliminate any witnesses to the slaughter? He's gotten sufficient justification to attack and confiscate the farm - that was the whole point of that hooded "special agent" flicking the coin into the eye of the soldier to allow Ketil's younger son to "murder" Canute's soldier, so that Canute could trump up charges against Ketil. If anything Canute would want other nobles to know how ruthlessly Ketil is put down to serve as a warning. The fact that the whole rebellion thing was a set up is beside the point, as that's not part of the story anyone's going to know about outside of Canute and Ketil's immediate circles.
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Personal_Nirvana posted:I have a terrible habit of derailing ongoing discussions so forgive this silly me..but since my knowlege of Nord/early Britain is laughable, is the author doing a historical-almost accurate work? The events that happened tend to have a slight twist to them, and they aren't exactly like what happened in the history books. For instance Sweyn Forkbeard, Canute's father, wasn't assassinated as far as we know, though if it was covered up he might have been. Also the chronology of events often doesn't match up exactly. (general history spoilers) Thorfinn lead his expedition to Vinland in 1010, while Canute's father Sweyn died in 1014, and Canute launched his reconquest of England in 1016. This isn't a documentary, and it's not trying to be. But in terms of the way people lived and dressed, the way houses were set up and what's in them, the way societies were structured and the type of lives people lived, it's all pretty drat impressive. This author has a fantastic attention for detail. Eiba fucked around with this message at 20:13 on Dec 29, 2012 |
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YouTuber posted:I must say I am confused with that comic. Is it taking place in the post Holy Roman Empire transition into Imperial Germany timeframe or is the story occurring in its own world created by the author but taking heavy notes from that timeframe? Haven't read the past few chapters though. I really need to catch up. Because it was awesome.
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Brannock posted:I'm surprised that Canute would turn away from Thorfinn. I didn't think he held any ill will against Thorfinn? I'm really curious as to where this is going because, honestly, if Thorfinn really is just going to head out to Vinland with Lief now... this is the last time Canute could possibly intersect Thorfinn's story. Considering this is Thorfinn's story, that would mean that... we're approaching the climax for Canute's character arc soon. Alternately it means that events here will keep Thorfinn here in Europe for another arc or two to interact with Canute. Either way, we're almost at a crossroads, only 8 of 100 punches away, at the end of this chapter. God drat am I not interested in watching a guy get beaten to prove his determination. That's... never remotely interesting.
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Oh wow! That was a really drat good chapter! Canute finally did it! He commanded the tide to stop! Ever since it was revealed that lady-like boy was Canute, I've been waiting for him to command the tide to stop. And they even got the original meaning more or less correct too! (I've usually heard Canute stopping the waves as a sign of his delusion, but it was always about the powerlessness of kings.) And the context gave that scene all the weight I could hope for after waiting for it for so long. He's using it to emphasize how impossible and absurd it is to create a utopia in loving medieval Europe. At least it's utterly impossible unless you totally overthrow the natural order. He talks about God's plan, but practically speaking it's more like human nature he's opposing. So he justifies the need for incredible strength, and incredible sacrifice. At first I was wondering what Einar was even planning on doing there... and I guess he probably wouldn't be able to answer that himself, but I love that he got so many good passionate points in. I really liked how angry he got when he heard Canute was saving the Vikings. As if it was just a coincidence that he needed those Vikings to do anything. I really wonder what Thorfinn's planning on saying. So far this conversation has been pretty drat magnificent. A fitting climactic battle to a manga with so much over the top violence: just words. Also, is this the first time we hear Thorfinn called Karlsefni? I guess that removes all doubt that he's based on that historical figure, even if the dates don't quite match up with Canute's reign.
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Zorak posted:That chapter is amazing. God this arc has been great, even with the low amounts of action. Thorfinn has some badass pacifism. Badassifism. I've always been kind of "meh" on over-the-top super violence, but that backdrop is what makes this arc so beautiful. Like, okay, I've seen a Viking punch out a horse and eviscerate men... but that didn't compare at all to awe I felt at slaves taking stumps out of a field- working hard to make something. I had no idea how this confrontation with Canute was going to go, but I'm 100% satisfied.
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Law Cheetah posted:Is the series slated to end soon? The latest chapter had that vibe
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cafel posted:I don't know. Structurally, the arc of Vinland Saga has felt incredibly similar to Yukimura's previous series Planetes, and if that continues to hold true then the series is probably going to wrap up in a few chapters. ~history spoilers~ Especially considering Thorfinn's enlightened attitude and utopian vision... Vinland itself is going to be tragic as heck. A good attempt at peaceful relations with the Native Americans will be made, but ultimately misunderstandings and recriminations are going to lead to war, even in distant Vinland, dooming the settlement. I really liked Yukimura's take on Canute turning back the tides, and his generally brutally accurate portrayal of the mindset of people in the past, so I'm really looking forward to how he builds that up, and what he makes of it. My personal guess is that ~speculation based on history spoilers~ Thorfinn will run off to join the Native Americans, or it's just going to be a bleak ending. Either way, Yukumura's built up a really interesting character for whom what actually happened is going to be just about the most heartbreaking thing. Of course Yukumura could always throw out history to suit him. He already did to get Thorfinn and Canute to meet the way they did (the dates they both lived don't match up), so who knows how this'll go. I just think a vague sailing off into the sunset would be a cop out, considering all the buildup.
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swamp izzo posted:Is there a single (good) manga about European history that isn't Farmland saga. Thanks in advance. ... So basically the thread title minus Otoyomegatari, now that I think about it.
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Jose posted:I'm rereading Historie since I trailed off last time before even getting caught up then a few years back. Does it release really slowly due to the author clearly doing it all himself or are the scans just incredibly slow? If I had found it after it was completed in the fixed up volume releases, it'd probably be my favorite manga out there. As it stands now... I've got a similar issue to that other fellow where I have no idea what the significance of the reveal at the end of the last chapter was. The whole thing is way too slow to keep me gripped the way it should. That said, I already know it's going to be awesome a bunch of years from now when we can look back at it. It's a fantastic story.
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Ha! Far from entering the final leg of the journey, it looks like we're in for a few years of Byzantine Saga first! I did not see that coming at all. Can't wait!
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Gyges posted:Nah, it won't be Istanbul until close to a millennia later. A minor historical point about names, in case anyone doesn't know- no one called the Byzantine Empire the Byzantine Empire when it was around. Contemporaries in Western Europe would call it the Greek Empire or something like that (Grikkland), while they simply referred to themselves as the Roman Empire. Because they were. Thorfinn's going to visit the capital of the Roman Empire to sell Unicorn horns.
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tonberrytoby posted:Harald had just died when the farm cast met Canute, so it should be 1018 or 1019. I guess there's a lot of differences between history's Thorfinn and ours, so it may just be his life that's different, but I wouldn't take too much stock in dates in any case. Yukimura can do what he wants with history, for the sake of the story.
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Terror Sweat posted:Selling fake medicine is only marginally better than violence as a solution to your problems And keep in mind that he's not exactly selling to the Red Cross here. It'll probably ultimately wind its way in the hands of some rich noble or merchant who's having trouble getting it up or something. On an unrelated note... Gudrid's story is unbearably sad. Her sitting on a rock looking at Lief's map in the sand was really good. I like the idea of being so inspired by some lines in the sand, with only the barest inkling of what their true implication was. It must have felt like learning astronomy today- understanding the numbers just enough to get a slight impression of how incredibly massive our universe is, and how tiny our world is. To snap from that to... marital politics, so utterly petty, but horrifyingly life-consuming, was... quite the transition. And no one around her cares in the slightest. Forget stowing away, she drat well better end up invited on Thorfinn's expedition, by people who understand and care about what she's going on about, because it's pretty god drat depressing now.
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Cynic Jester posted:I don't want him to go back to mindless berserker Thorfinn, but he is now responsible for the welfare of a bunch of people in a time in history where bad things™ happen. In the one of the latest updates you see him discussing the "merits" of vengeance, and while he might disagree with the morality of it, he also sees the practicality behind it. I just hope that carries over and he'll defend those around him without a bunch of them eating the dust first. And he will do that if he has to. That's what really scares him right now. He's afraid there's no other way. The author's morality is interesting and nuanced- earlier in the story we had sympathetic fleshed out viking characters who happened to be casual brutal killers too. Even in this section, as you pointed out, he sees vengeance not as evil or wrong, but an imperfect attempt at peace. Thorfinn's pacifism is interesting, because violence and those who are violent are not being condemned in absolute terms. They're still people, often doing their best, always products of their world. Thorfinn is not seeking vengeance on anything, not even on violence. He's not really judging anything. He's just looking for another way. Thorfinn's search for another way is really fascinating and inspiring, because it's being handled so well. I'm not sure if he can find a satisfying answer, but so far it looks like he's searching in the right ways. If he has to give it up, if there's no answer, I'll understand. Einar is the best brother.
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