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The more I read about this stuff, the less I seem to know, so I'll just brain-dump some questions here. I wanna build a NAS to get some data off of drives that are just sitting in anti-static bags on a shelf. I was thinking about getting a Jonsbo N1 and putting 5 16tb drives in it in a RaidZ3 configuration, and then getting a single 16tb usb drive as some kind of backup (I'm dumb as hell and don't know how to back up a NAS to that USB drive but it's something I want to do. Perhaps I can build a simple 2 bay NAS for backups?). I think once I get rid of old stuff off the drives I don't care about, it'll most likely fit on a single 16tb drive, but I wanna build my NAS out for future expansion and save the external backup for stuff I actually care about. I have no clue what parts to pick out really to get the whole ecc and zfs thing. I think what I'd like to do is to be able to host a few things on it as well, like pihole, a webpage diff scanner thing, and maybe a couple other simple things. Eventually someday plex. I think the only thing I know is if I want to go ryzen, I'd have to get a Pro CPU. Sorry for the braindump aag.
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Oh yeah I don't mind janitoring stuff, as long as it's not super busy work and can largely be automated. I could certainly fill that space up once I start video editing again. I'm not against getting a Synology or QNAP, but if I can save a bit of cash and get something I can do more with, I'd much rather do that.
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Jun 10, 2022 23:35
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Thanks for the advice on the drives. Lots to think about. What's the suggested hardware for a NAS if I wanna get ryzen stuff? I think it gets pretty tricky if I want ECC. Might be easier to go Intel I think. I decided to let my NAS be a NAS and get a beelink for hosting services like plex or whatever else.
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Jun 13, 2022 20:02
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So in short, don't fret over ECC and just get whatever fits my budget?
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Jun 13, 2022 20:14
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Alright! I think I have some parts picked out. I kinda had to piece things together from random google searches. I think I went a little overboard on the CPU but I decided im gonna host most of the internal services on that rather than the beelink. Feel free to dumpster on this, I really have no idea what I'm doing or if this is going to work lol. I hope its okay to post this here: CPU: Ryzen 5750g PRO RAM: Kingston KSM32ED8/32ME DDR4 3200MHz ECC DIMM Motherboard: asrock X570 Phantom Gaming-ITX/TB3 Case: Jonsbo n1 PSU: Corsair SF750 DRIVES: 5x 16tb WD Gold drives whenever they go on sale again Some kind of SATA expansion board
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Jun 30, 2022 03:47
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:If you want ECC memory for system stability and all the other reasons for using it, you should really consider using a board that's known to generate non-maskable interrupts on ECC errors. I think you linked the same one twice. also oh poo poo IPMI. I for sure wanna get in on that. I do have a monitor i could use but it would be super nice to not have to use that.
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Jun 30, 2022 16:05
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Dang. I was hoping to avoid having to get a gigantic case for a NAS. I don't exactly have a lot of space for a huge computer case at the moment.
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Jun 30, 2022 18:00
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movax posted:Node 804 is solid, if you can do mATX. I was actually looking at the 304 as well, and if it can hold a deep Mini-ITX board, that would be fine as well. I could also make a node 804 work but i'd have to move a lot of stuff around first.
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Jun 30, 2022 18:32
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necrobobsledder posted:The NSC-810a is another option as well https://www.u-nas.com/xcart/cart.php?target=product&product_id=17640. I had the mini ITX version and it was a pain in the rear end to work in the case and the fans died a couple times throughout its roughly 7 year service span before I disassembled the whole thing and went with a Node 804 temporarily while I worked on my heavy duty Supermicro 16-bay 3U DAS / NAS. The fans I've switched out in the front of the CSE836 aren't pulling in enough air though and I'm having to figure out ducting in the meantime while I weigh 3D printing a fan array bracket someone came up with so I can put in a different set of fans with somewhat comparable airflow as the stock fans that might actually give me hearing damage despite sitting in the floor above it. oh man this one is on my list too. let me know how the ducting thing goes. I may end up going this route. I think it'll fit perfectly in the spot i have for it. (and hopefully the deep itx board fits it) also for that X570D4I-NL, i found a review saying that ECC reporting might not be working on that board? It was a review for that board that was talking about other boards but they didn't seem to know for sure.
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Jul 3, 2022 00:08
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For fun, I think I am going to try to make the Jonsbo work, unless this build is extra dumb, then I'll just get a normal 8-bay case like mentioned earlier. CPU: Ryzen 5750g Pro RAM: Samsung M474A4G43MB1-CTDQ ECC SO-DIMM Motherboard: ASRock Rack X570D4I-2T Case: Jonsbo n1 PSU: Corsair SF750 DRIVES: 5x 16tb WD Gold drives whenever they go on sale again. I have a few spare 2.5'' SSDs I can use for the OS. If this doesn't seem like it'll work, whats a good motherboard/ram combo to fit into a U-NAS NSC-810A or the X-Case NASBOX N8C? Sorry again for the dumb questions, I promise I wont be dumb about the software stuff.
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Jul 7, 2022 03:17
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Looks like a good setup, although it might be a bit tight. What sort of cooler are you planning on using? I'm not sure. I seen someone said they used a Noctua NH-L9x65 in that case so I was going to give that a whirl.
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Jul 7, 2022 17:48
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Auuugh those motherboards are hard to find. I wonder if I'm pointlessly limiting myself by going with ryzen lol.
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Jul 8, 2022 02:17
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lol is buying a QNAP and then just putting my own OS on it an option? Or should I hold out for that motherboard to pop up somewhere? I guess I could also get a normal case like the Node 804 or the QNAP 810a and try to track down a normal motherboard.
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Jul 9, 2022 00:10
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So if I wanted something now I could get by with my original build and perhaps find the server board later. I like that idea haha.
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Jul 9, 2022 01:52
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My friend told me about plex and that whole thing and now I basically have to rethink this build around an 8 drive case now. I think theres a bunch of around 20L cases to pick from, and finding parts to go into those is going to be a lot easier. I think I'll get the dtx version of that board i posted earlier and try to put it in a Silverstone DS380. Since I'm getting a bigger build, I think I'll just host all of my weird microservices on that instead of getting a separate device. If I could find some kind of GPU to fit in that case, would I be able to do plex + nas + misc game servers or would i need something beefier?
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Jul 18, 2022 00:25
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Oh poo poo and its open source too. Neato. Now I just gotta find ram that'll support ECC and I should be gravy to get this thing built. I'm super excited because I've been wanting to build a NAS for some time and it owns I'm finally gonna have it done.
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Jul 18, 2022 00:56
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I think my friend bought me the lifetime pass a couple years ago, but I'd have to dig through my stuff to see if that happened or not.
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Jul 18, 2022 00:56
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i wish the node 804 had hotswap bays. I know someone with metal skills i wonder if I can snag some hotswap bays and somehow mount them in the case instead.
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Jul 21, 2022 19:07
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Probably not the best thread to ask, but in trying to find some parts for my build, amazon uk says "Temporarily out of stock. We are working hard to be back in stock. Place your order and we’ll email you when we have an estimated delivery date. ". Does that mean they'll eventually get stock again, or is this some generic placeholder? I found it on US amazon but its being sold by a sketchy seller 
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Adolf Glitter posted:Maybe, but that's also what is shown on stuff that's been out of stock for months/years. ASrock rack motherboard. I guess the RAM I'm looking at is on amazon as well, but I'm not sure other places that have it that aren't terribly expensive. digikey has the RAM but its 70 bux more 
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Korean Boomhauer posted:ASrock rack motherboard. I guess the RAM I'm looking at is on amazon as well, but I'm not sure other places that have it that aren't terribly expensive. digikey has the RAM but its 70 bux more i timed my complaining on this well, becuase the motherboard cropped up on newegg with a back in stock date of next week yesssss
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power crystals posted:What the hell is TrueCharts doing? "You need to reinstall all your apps now, because reasons. We will not explain why unless you join our support discord, maybe. Locked." TrueSharts
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TrueCharts is cool but theres questionable decisions everywhere and xisystems has stepped back from unofficially supporting that project as a result. Like the PiHole app they supply is heavily modified to basically do reverse proxy stuff only and you really can't do much else with it without a lot of work and having the TrueCharts people scream "UNSUPPORTED" and refuse to help. It's pretty much a gamble if whatever app you're looking at is going to function the same way the original developer intended vs what the truecharts people want. I guess too they were caught modifying the license the original developers would use and just saying "oh yeah its BSD license its nbd" or somethin like that. They also make it extremely difficult to find out who originally made a given app as well. It's all v weird to me.
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Is there any easy way to tell what stick of ram is throwing constant "Correctable ECC - Asserted" on an asrock rack board? I went from 1 stick of ram to 6 on my board and ran memtest on it before booting into truenas but now i get ECC errors about once a day. I ran memtest on it again and nothing. The IPMI won't tell me what stick it is either.
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Korean Boomhauer posted:Is there any easy way to tell what stick of ram is throwing constant "Correctable ECC - Asserted" on an asrock rack board? I went from 1 stick of ram to 6 on my board and ran memtest on it before booting into truenas but now i get ECC errors about once a day. I ran memtest on it again and nothing. The IPMI won't tell me what stick it is either. I think i forgot to mention but this board is an Asrock rack. their support isn't terribly helpful either
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Ihmemies posted:Luckily I installed scale when I moved in from nothing to NAS. I run a heretic configuration where Proxmox hosts a few vm’s, truenas being one of them. oh poo poo i just came here to ask about this kind of setup. I'm running scale on bare metal and tbh everything is running great, but the truecharts support avenue is super stressful to read b/c the maintainer is just angry all the time and i kinda wanna not deal with that no more.
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I think the price point of $15/tb or lower is still valid as a rule of thumb as well.
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Wibla posted:Their whole Apps ecosystem is extremely poo poo. It can't be stated enough just how bad the truenas apps ecosystem absolutely sucks. TrueSharts is the loving worst.
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rufius posted:Can you elaborate? I’m genuinely curious. I could have been a bit more concise hah. The truenas apps side is mostly fine, it's weird that its kubernetes based but doesn't have many of the kubernetes features, but its fine. Most of my beef is from the truecharts side. bit of an unfocused rant but: When Scale first introduced apps, people kinda felt like that whole thing was lacking. A few people put their heads together and came up with their own ecosystem in order to make it easier to add way more apps and bring in a few more features. That's TrueCharts. They seem to like breaking the whole thing once or twice a year for seemingly no reason, and sometimes the fixes or changes the end users have to do aren't reliable or don't work and you have to reinstall a bunch of your stuff. You have to check their discord server daily to see if they've broken anything and have to make changes, or else things go downhill quickly. With many apps, you don't have access to make changes under the hood, or change some settings with the app. The maintainer and support staff are extremely hostile to anyone asking for help or questions. The whole thing is stressful. I myself haven't run into either, but sitting in their channel and watching the maintainer tell someone "I updated nextcloud and it won't start, and I don't wanna lose any data" get told by the maintainer "sucks to be you" gets very draining very fast. You can't just google any issues either, because TrueCharts is more or less proprietary. You can't shim something for docker or kubernetes into TrueCharts because it'll most likely cause your app to explode, and the support people in their discord call you a moron for using google (while telling someone else ''have you ever heard of a little thing called GOOGLE?!?''). I'm in the process of putting all of my poo poo into docker in a VM inside of proxmox and eventually moving my Scale install into a VM as well. phosdex posted:I'm still running truenas core. Def past the point of any janitoring needed. I forgot what scale was so I looked at the website and I don't need any of that. My understanding is eventually they're going to want everyone on Scale at some point in the future, and that Core is in maintenance mode, but I didn't do any digging to see. Korean Boomhauer fucked around with this message at 15:36 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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You'll be fine if you're using just the apps IX offers (and whatever you setup with their custom app stuff).power crystals posted:I haven't tried upgrading to dragonfin or whatever the 2024 version is called yet if you're still on truesharts, there's a whole lot of poo poo you have to do to make this upgrade work without blowing up all your apps. I still ended up losing around five apps or so. Their documentation around this is incomplete as gently caress. The entire reason this blew up is their insistence on using PVC for everything. I didn't end up actually losing data because I've been down this path with them before and I made backups of everything, so my loss is just time setting up all these apps again (in docker in a vm instead.)
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I can't speak to unraid, or your specific usecase, but TrueNAS is fine if you essentially use it like a pure NAS product and ignore the (third party) apps/kubernetes/VM stuff that's stitched onto it. I'm not sure truecharts would have anything approximating NVMe-oF, truecharts is more along the lines of wanting to run other *arr apps or like a minecraft server. E: I kinda passively googled around and it sounds like this shooould be achievable in proxmox. ymmv and you might wanna pull some threads yourself to see if it fits your specific knees, but its an option. Korean Boomhauer fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Dumb question but is there anything that truenas scale does zfs-wise that i couldn't replicate with a cronjob if i were to just use zfs on proxmox and have a nfs/smb container somewhere? Like what all would I have to setup to make sure my data doesn't get exploded aside from a weekly scrub? I'm pretty sure I can view drive health right in proxmox as well. I was originally going to do a truenas scale vm and passthrough one of the sata controllers and use that for NAS, but I wanna have some of my docker containers use some of the space on the NAS, like tubearchivist can store videos there, or romm can access roms on it (for 24 hours, after which they'll be deleted). I was reading that docker and nfs can be dicey, but nfsv4 was fine? I don't know! Korean Boomhauer fucked around with this message at 22:42 on May 2, 2024 |
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Oh yeah snapshots and backups are gonna be a part of my whole new setup lol. I'm currently not doing either! I'm not entirely sure how to weave snapshots and replication so it's not a certified mess. I have a lot of reading to do I guess.
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