Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
 
  • Post
  • Reply
DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

kimbo305 posted:

It looks bad, but also looks great, if that makes sense.



:flashfap: I loving love the new 3. I might have to wait a year to see if they come out with a DSG one, though.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

kimbo305 posted:

One of the few cars where a front license plate would look ok.

Is DSG in the plans for Mazda? I know Ford has the Powershift, but it might be jumping the gun to put that in a car with 268 hp and tons of torque.

http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/01/23/mazda3-to-get-stop-start-and-dsg/

quote:

Mazda also says that it's planning to introduce dual-clutch gearbox technology in the 3, its most popular model. We're not yet sure what powerplants will be mated to the slick-shifting new transmission, or whether DSG will be paired with stop/start for the ultimate in affordable, current fuel-saving technology. Another unanswered question is if either of these bits will migrate from Europe and Japan to the United States, though we can certainly hope

So yes, but not for sure in the Mazdaspeed.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.


This would be a bad idea. It would.




...right?

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
Get a CX5 instead.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Speaking of SUVs, I drove a new CX-9 the other day and I really wish I had an excuse to drive that car every day.

The likelihood of me going in to buy the CX5 and walking out with the CX9 is crazy high. It's so good.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
The CX5 holds a good bit more than the 3 hatch. You might be thinking CX3 vs 3.

CX5: rear seatback up/folded (cu ft) 34.1 / 64.8

3 hatch: rear seat up / rear seat folded 20.2 / 47.1

CX3: rear seat up / rear seat folded 10.1 / 42.3

edit: Huh, the CX9 isn't as different vs. the CX5 as I thought it'd be.
CX9: rear seats up/3rd row folded/2nd and 3rd rows folded 14.4 / 38.2 / 71.2.

DEUCE SLUICE fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Aug 18, 2016

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
The 3 comes with AWD and a stick in Japan, even.

Give it the Brembo/Bilstein/BBS/Recaro/LSD treatment + a retune of the 2.5T and it'd be in a really good spot between the GTI/ST/WRX tier and the R/RS/STi tier.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
The new CX5 looks so loving nice. Mazda is crushing it nowadays.

Also of note - they confirmed that CarPlay & Android Auto is coming this year, and will be available on all the MazdaCommand system cars.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

A Proper Uppercut posted:

If they put that turbo 2.5 in a CX-5, there is my next car.

2.2 diesel is on the way this fall. Turbo 2.5 isn't on the plate (yet.)

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
I'm going to take a look at an '07 MS3 this weekend. 150k on it, grand touring (with nav, yuck.) Has intake, springs / shocks, rear motor mount, TMIC and fuel pump internals, all CorkSport stuff. Guy seems knowledgeable, it's well maintained, looks stock and clean inside and out, and it's cheap ($5500.)

I know to have him leave it cold so I can hear if the chain slaps on cold startup, and to pull up on the timing chain from the oil fill to see if it has slack. I also know to let it idle for a while to see if the turbo starts to smoke.

Anything else?

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.


Did it. Hilariously enough I forgot to check the AC and it WAS dead on the ride home, lol. It's never that hot and I got it for so cheap that I don't really care anyways.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
The last line from head honchos is that they need to get through this next round of refreshes and then at that point if the market makes sense to do it they will. It's definitely going to be more Golf R than Focus RS (which I'm totally down with, FWIW.) They could parts-bin one today (2.5T + the JDM 3 AWD system + some Recaros and Brembos,) it's just a matter of the supply chain and marketing and whatnot.

Mazda's aiming for BMW but in that "capturing what BMW lost" kind of zone. Aside from power I think they're doing great at it, especially considering price.

In other unsurprising news my cheap Speed3 has a very long list of stuff that I need to take care of on it, and that's just the stuff I know of. Oh well, it sure is fast as gently caress.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
I would suspect that the current AWD systems share nothing with the setup from the Speed6.

Any new Speed3 would have the (maybe smaller, but I'd doubt it) 2.5T and I'd imagine retuned for more top-end power instead of the diesel-style curve the thing has now, but the AWD does fine with 310 ft-lbs moving a big CX9.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

MA-Horus posted:

I would think having an AWD Mazda3 would cut into sales of the CX-3, would it not?

A 2.5T AWD Speed3 would probably be priced to compete with the R at around $35k, so no.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
Seems like the Skyactiv-X is going to have spark plugs and be able to switch between normal ignition and HCCI. And a supercharger! Very interesting stuff...

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
why would you do that rain sound is the best

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
If the 2.0 Skyactiv-X really gets the MPG of the 1.5 -D with the power of the 2.5 -G that'd be a pretty significant accomplishment. Sounds like it drives nice, if a little unremarkable.

I've been planning on getting a 2017+ CX5 and want to give the diesel a shot before I buy one, but it doesn't seem like this is going to be a big enough deal to make me want to wait for it to come out.

Still waiting for that Skyactiv-R, though. :mad:

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
Replacing the cabin air filter on a Gen1 Speed3 is loving insanity.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

Ohrmazd posted:

I don't have a Mazdaspeed but I have to remove the interior fuse box on mine and I couldn't get the two nuts that hold in the bracket out. I'll need to rent an electric impact. Any idea if I can just put the filter in a model that didn't come with it?

That bracket was a bitch, I needed to use an extender handle ratchet to get enough oomf on it.

But yes, in a model that doesn't have air filters it'll have filterless trays in the spot where the filters would be.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
It's one of the last pre-Mazda Connect cars, should be a piece of cake.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
That absolutely looks like the kind of foam used to seal the ducts.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
Okay, so my trashy 160k MS3 has an Accessport, Corksport TMIC, Corksport SRI, and HPFP internals. If I want to stay as reliable as possible and CA emissions legal, what's left to do? Cat back and a car-specific dyno tune for power? Since I can't upgrade the downpipe that gives me an overall cap on how much boost I can push, and I don't really want to start pushing the "Stage 1+" kind of realm for reliability purposes either.

What catbacks do people like? I like something gurgly and farty and poppy - I have a RAV4 for road trips and such.

Also, I'm going to be taking the TMIC off to do plugs and the VTCS solenoid - is there anything else that's easy to replace and known to go bad that I should do while I'm in there?

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

Martytoof posted:

Oh god, I'm getting it in my head to change the cabin air filter on my 09 3 myself :suicide:


In all seriousness, it doesn't look hard judging by youtubes I've watched, it just seems annoying.

Not hard, but exceptionally annoying considering how easy it is on other vehicles.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

DEUCE SLUICE posted:

Also, I'm going to be taking the TMIC off to do plugs and the VTCS solenoid - is there anything else that's easy to replace and known to go bad that I should do while I'm in there?

Anyone? Should I proactively do coil packs?

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
CA emissions so I'm not deleting anything. 160k.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
I guess there's a packaging issue with the turbo motor, AWD, and the 3/6. :( That combo won't be possible until the next platform refresh at the earliest - although supposedly the Skyactiv-X 3 is going to come alongside a new platform as well.

I'd be okay with another FWD Speed3. The TypeR shows it can be done well. They'd definitely need to re-tune the engine to have it rev faster, but there's a lot of potential when you're talking about 300+ ft/lbs already.

I'd totally get an auto one lol

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

dissss posted:

You can get the diesel and AWD and I really doubt that's any more compact

The 2.5T has a bunch of new/weird jazz going on with it. From the horse's mouth...

quote:

"I think we are not able to combine four-wheel drive and the 2.5-liter turbo. We have a layout issue with the sedans, that's why a four-wheel drive isn't deployed on the Mazda 3 and 6 so far," Moro said. "But there is a huge demand, at least what I know is that in the East Coast of the USA, 80 or 90 percent of premium sedans are sold with all-wheel drive."

And with Mazda going upscale, it only makes sense to give upscale, performance-oriented customers what they want, like the AWD sedans the German premium brands have been offering for years.

"Four-wheel drive becomes a premium cue for U.S. consumers," said Moro, "and obviously I have asked our R&D department to think about how we can accommodate four-wheel drive capability in the future."

Though the CX-9, being a crossover, of course has AWD in combination with that turbo engine, it simply must not have the platform limitations of the sedans. And all-wheel drive in the Mazda6, at least, has been available in Japan, Europe and Australia, but paired with the Skyactiv-D and another smaller engine, diesels we don't get here. Moro's statement leaves open the possibility of AWD with the base 2.5-liter engine, but maybe not. Besides, a premium buyer would want the turbo.

So, when Moro says the future, he means not now, not in the Mazda6 facelift we just saw. But maybe in the next big redesign? Or maybe the configuration problems will be easier to overcome when working with the innovative new 2.0-liter Skyactiv-X compression-ignition engine that's expected in the 2019 Mazda3.

Larrymer posted:

This for every performance/hatchback/wagon/even slightly niche vehicle, ever. "I'd totally buy that brown diesel manual wagon. Used."


The Mazdaspeed3 sold well enough to keep it throughout the life of the Ford-based 3. The GTI, Focus ST, and Civic SI sell well enough, too. I think if there was a version of the 3 that had the turbo motor and a package similar to the Club package in the Miata (Recaros, Brembos, suspension, BBS, LSD, some aero) it'd do well enough even if it were FWD. (An AWD monster Golf R / STI / RS competitor would be great too but I'm not sure they'd go straight there before having the GTI competitor?)

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

air- posted:

Found a video of the exact noise my car was making right when starting up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_QuhECEhyM

Compare that with VVT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOacH2zo1h8

yeah that second one is basically what my MS3 sounds like nowadays :zombie:

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
I have Corksport RMM with stock PMM and it's pretty livable. No vibes at idle.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
I have Corksport adjustable shocks and Cobb springs, and while it looks nice it's too low and harsh for the cratered streets of Oakland.

Is there anything maybe just a touch lower and touch firmer than stock springs? Or would going back to stock springs be my best option?

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
I took my car in to a local indie Mazda specialist as I've been a little apprehensive overall with the car. It's the first one of these I've owned and I'm not sure what it's supposed to sound like, and I've been scared of the VVT/timing chain issue lunching my motor with how clacky the thing is. I had hoped to get a real expert opinion on it but I think not only was I expecting too much, but everyone at the shop was sick and they were running behind so I don't know if I got everything I needed.

They said they thought the engine sounded normal and that it was in overall pretty good shape, which is good. They did hear a tiny bit of chain rattle on cold startup but their advice was to not worry about it yet. (They said to not worry about it until it throws a code, though, which I don't know if I like.) The air conditioning compressor is locked up (although the clutch is good and the pulley spins normally when the AC is off) so that might explain some noise. I went in there with the expectation of doing the VVT fix so I guess I'm "ahead" in that regard, but they found a couple of other things wrong and didn't look deeper into the things I said I knew were wrong but I didn't have a cause on. They also found it needs power steering lines in addition to tires, windshield, and other various things I already knew it needed. They also couldn't / didn't track down the source of the rear suspension clunking.

They said I needed to replace the passenger outer axle, replaced it, and then said they hosed up and the issue was actually in the intermediate axle. The outer axle definitely had some slop in it and wasn't *great* but definitely didn't need to be done yet and they didn't charge me for it. The worry they had with the intermediate was some play transversely, you can grab the axle and slide it side-to-side along the axis of the axle.

Sorta like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFfibeDEeI8

How much play is okay, here? Any?

So, poo poo, I don't know. I got it cheap and I'm pretty sure I could just cut bait and sell it for what I paid for it and get a regular 1st gen 3 hatch (although that's harder than you'd think.) I did just get my sweet old-school CA black & yellow license plate, though.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
My 2004 RAV4 has ABS-ring TPMS so it's been around for quite some time. Works great, too.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

hattersmad posted:

I'm rocking Pilot Super Sports in a different size and love them.

Pilot Super Sports are the ultimate tire for anything that isn't seeing a substantial amount of track time. Are you running them on the stock 18's?

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
I'm sick of driving a lowered car. Currently on Cobb springs, which are only a 1" drop and still pretty hard to live with on the cratered streets of Oakland. Any rec's for springs close to stock ride height on a Speed3? Shocks are Corksport adjustables.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
The H&R springs look like a good choice. I wonder how they'd do paired with the Corksport shocks/struts...

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
What fixed your back-end clunking?

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

grahm posted:

Do any of you have a high-milage 1st gen MS3? My 2008 is sitting at 145K, and while it is completely problem-free right now (still on the original clutch, no VVT problems yet, A/C replaced at 125K, turbo seems fine), it'll need new tires and brakes this year, and I'm thinking of just selling it instead of dropping $$$ into something that in my mind probably has problems waiting to happen. Has anyone had a good experience with a high-milage MS3?

161k on an 07.

AC compressor is smoked, and has already been replaced once.
Intermediate driveshaft is smoked.
Rear end clunking.
VVT is starting to make noise but not super bad yet.
Occasional VTCS CEL
Occasional throttle actuator CEL
2nd gear grind
Airbag warning lights were on, but after replacing the clock spring and deoxit'ing the connector under the passenger seat it went away


But...this thing has been neglected fairly badly and I'm trying to get it back to respectability.

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
Welp, the VVT sound is bad now.

I'm borderline on doing it myself as I need to do the AC compressor too and figure I might as well do both at the same time + doing both at a shop will be really expensive and paying labor on fixing this thing is going to push it out of being even sort of smart to own. Has anyone done it?

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.
I was going to get this kit with the tools and the accessory belt, and work off this how-to post.

Plus, it gives me an excuse to get that impact wrench I've been putting off getting.

How much easier or harder would replacing the A/C compressor be "while I'm in there?" The compressor is locked up right now but the clutch is functional so as long as the A/C is kept off the pulley spins freely. It's something I definitely need to take care of soon but if it's not materially easier to do while I'm doing the VVT & timing chain stuff maybe I'll wait...

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

DEUCE SLUICE
Feb 6, 2004

I dreamt I was an old dog, stuck in a honeypot. It was horrifying.

dissss posted:

They say that every revision and never end up dramatically improving the situation. There are improvements but you need to drive different generations back to back to notice them.

They're working all of the improvements that began with the CX9 through to the other vehicles. The 2017+ CX5 is now one of the quietest in its class, and I'd imagine the 2018 6 post-redesign is going to be equivalent.

The 3 probably is going to have to wait until the 2019 redesign.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply