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Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Nubian Robodin posted:

I hope they build up the Indonesian champ a lot and then Ippo absolutely crushes him.

Given how the coach praised him as Gedo's match ended (ie: WE CAN TAKE THE WOOORRRLD :argh:), I think it'd be appropriate to show that Ippo has what it takes to not barely squeak by some world rankers. But Ippo typically doesn't hype up/build up folks who he steamrolls.

Touching on it a bit late, but I'm upset that Mashiba took another step up in weight classes. I figured a Miyata-Mashiba rematch was due at some point int he near future given what happened at the Rookie king. But Miyata would probably beat him senseless if he fought fair.

Figuring on a Vorg-Sendo rematch in the future, maybe. Or did Vorg move up a weight class as well?

Geop fucked around with this message at 01:55 on Jun 17, 2009

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Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Looks a bit disappointing. Ippo swings around, makes no progress. Thinks he hits him in the midsection/liver once, but it turns out he blocked it with his elbow. End of the comic, he charges Woli after finally cornering him. He's then met with a smash a la Sendo. Hope he doesn't get thrashed around for a graphic novel, only to one-shot Woli.

Fight is playing out like this so far, goons. Guess who is who :smithicide:

Geop fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Oct 7, 2009

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Well, it is supposedly a strong rumor that a sequel series is coming. The dude who plays Takamura's voice mentioned it on his blog, according to this link (and a few other joints I happened upon in Google). Seems that the success of this follow-up series is really kicking it off. I'm glad the animation is better, at the least. The first series (~75ish episodes, was it?) looked rather out-dated in its animation :smith:

Anyone who can read Japanese could probably confirm it here. As for when? Lord knows. Probably a year out.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

DamnGlitch posted:

the older episodes by and large had much better animation, though the new stuff looks crisper. Ippo in particular looks a bit wonky in the new series, i thought. Either way I liked the second series more than some, and I'm looking forward to seeing gendo's flashback animated :3:

Kamogawa's WW2-era flashback would make an awesome OAV or movie =o

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

tazman posted:

See, these latest fights have been bothering me. I love how Ippo has reached the stage where only one of his punches will completely gently caress the other guy up, but then the opponent has to rely on gimmicks so he doesn't get raped. And I don't really like that. I miss the Sendou fights, where both fighters were kicking the poo poo out of each other, not dodge dodge dodge HIT oh he's down.

waiting on Ippo to fight a hard-hitting USA dude :unsmith:

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Soth posted:

STRETCHIN DIS poo poo OUT. Lets not forget all the other guys having their fights too.

Chapter 2,136 - Miyata and Ippo's Destined Match Intro
Chapter 2,137 - The author dies of old age, SORRY BROS.

My worst fear is that this happens to Ippo and Berserk! :smith:

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Raw is up.

Basically, Ippo shakes off the Smash and closes in. Woli then switches to Hitman style a la Mashiba. He begins darting out flickers, but Ippo reacts pretty quickly. He blocks them and closes in, swings at Woli, but he uses his footwork to dodge just like Miyata would.

Woli goes :smug: mode and tries flickering Ippo again, but he closes in and blocks/dodges every single swing this time thanks to moving in a zig-zag pattern. He begins driving Woli back in to the corner as the chapter winds down.

Seems to be a compilation fight of sorts. The coach mentions that Woli may be copying some of the best fighters within the weight class' recent history, but Ippo has beaten all of them at some point or another. Thankfully, the Smash was the only legit hit. Adding to that, he's keeping level-headed.

I really hope there isn't a trump card, but as it stands, Woli and Miguel are already looking rather jarred, thanks to Ippo.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Raw is up. Got online two days ago, evidently.

This fight is going to piss me the gently caress off, big time.

Ippo closes in, Woli is cornered. He looks surprised, Ippo closes in for the kill and the god drat bell rings. They sit in their corners with Woli as dry as a bone whereas Ippo looks like he just got out of a god drat pool. Two rounds in and the stamina freak looks like a used mop against a rookie in god-mode. Adding to it, Woli has some :smug: face that really pisses me off :argh:

Miguel doesn't seem upset with Woli. It seems like Woli almost intended for that to happen, or he has caught on now with his "genius hurf durf" skills and now he won't get cornered again.

Ippo seems to have cornered Woli by analyzing how he dodges. When he charges forward and throws a right, Woli jumps back and to the left. Using this sort of knowledge, that's how he cornered him. Ippo is being smart for once~

Round begins, Ippo drives against Woli, but just as he is about to hop in to the corner, he skips right past it, seeming to have disrupted Ippo's plan.

Itagaki seems upset, but Takamura mentions that Ippo was trying for luring him in to Kamogawa's corner. As he says that, Ippo swings and Woli jumps away once again. The chapter ends with him hopping in the direction of the Kamogawa corner.

Basically, it's a poo poo chapter that ends at a horrible point. Very sloppy work so far :mad:

Geop fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Oct 29, 2009

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

loving raging right now. I hate it when Ippo falls for stuff like this and looks like a complete clod. He got a clean one-two in on Ippo who seems harmed just from that. Ugh. Ippo had better Gazelle punch the gently caress out of him in the middle of one of his goofy jumps and knock him out of the ring :mad: It's one thing for him to get pounded early, it's ANOTHER THING ENTIRELY for it to be a god drat rookie.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Serious Frolicking posted:

I think Vorg was the last foreigner Ippo fought who was just a very good boxer and didn't have some stupid gimmick. That was what, back in the rookie tournament? Takemura steamrolled a few orthodox foreign boxers and Miyata struggled against a couple of strong but relatively normal guys, so why does Ippo only get lame joke fights?

Sawamura didn't have a gimmick =o Nor did Shimabukuro. Jimmy Sisfa didn't have one aside from being all kamikaze. Just straight-up hard fighters. But I agree; this gimmick stuff is getting old.

Edit: Beatennnnnn :(

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

L.E. Cheetah posted:

He was only talking about foreign boxers for some reason.

Augh. Me read bad.

Maybe nobody fights with honor when up again glorious nippon.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Holding out for a Dragon Chan equivalent from China :dance: HE KICKS SO HARD AND FAST THAT THAT THE REFEREE CAN'T SEE IT.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Lamebot posted:

In a surprise twist Kamogawa registers Ippo to a MMA tournament.

Enter three graphic novels of one grapple-hold :gonk:

"PIN HIM WITH YOUR HIPS, BRAT."

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Infinitum posted:

I just want a fight where Ippo dominates the gently caress out of someone for a change.

"What's that? You wanna get in the ring with the CHAMP? Boy you must be crazy!"

He beat the tar out of Sisfa to a degree, didn't he? :v: I don't remember it being too close.

But yeah, last time he beat up a sacrificial-lamb-esque opponent was... Geez. Wasn't it Takamura's fight against Hawk? But he won by almost sheer luck there, in his rush for a one-round KO. Prior to that was the Dempsey Roll fight.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Jedah posted:

If you think about the long history of Ippo fights, this one is not dragging too badly. I have some hope that it will turn around and become exciting pretty soon.
I bet in a few more chapters and Woli will start to get really scared, and take massive damage.

It'll be great. Maybe we can get a metaphorical sequence. Imagine Woli picturing himself in the jungle swinging around with his monkey buddies, eatin' bananas and bein' chill, and then, some nameless dark entity knocks his rear end down and starts to hunt him throughout the jungle. It would be an awesome way to show that this is "The Ring", not "The Jungle" and that Woli is unfit to remain there with someone as powerful as Ippo.

I don't think that it will be interesting, at least to me :smith: It'd surprise me if Woli could with-stand a beating, particularly from Ippo. The best fights have been up against people who could actually HANDLE Ippo's punches (Mashiba, Sendo, Date, etc). The matches where they dodge all but two or three of his punches are just irritating. REALLY irritating (Saeki, whats-his-face who always won by point decision earlier on, etc).

See: gong ring a few chapters back :( It just bugs me.

The Gedo fight got interesting once he got serious and lost the gimmicks that were sending Ippo in to :confused:-mode

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Raw is up.

Woli decides to start fighting and basically beats the ever living gently caress out of Ippo. His movements are like Hawk; it's brawling essentially. He does un-natural dodges, sways, and his punches come from odd angles.

Nearing the end, Ippo makes a wild swing and slips. It's ruled a slip, I believe. When was the last time Ippo had a down, by the way?

Ippo gets up, looking tired but not broken. Not yet :smithicide: Chapter ends with Ippo bull-rushing Woli again.

I have mixed feelings. I thought I'd hate this a bit more, but I'm not that upset with this chapter (I don't think so, at least). Still, Woli's perpetual combination of :3: and :smuggo: really makes me wanna see his jaw get smashed by Ippo.

Woli is probably gonna god-mode another chapter or two, and Ippo hopefully figure something out. As it stands, conventional boxing is loving worthless. He's way too fast for even Ippo, who usually had fast closing speed as one of his weapons.

I'm curious how this will wrap up, in all honesty. There isn't a gimmick; he's fighting without any sort of boxing form. Much like Takamura-Hawk, this will turn in to a brawl somehow. Unfortunately, Ippo only knows boxing. Takamura at least had a knack for knocking the piss out of folk before boxing.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

DamnGlitch posted:

As unhappy as I am with the build up and execution so far to this fight, you are loving WRONG. No one is bad as a Gedo. No one. Ever. It's literally impossible. A fight worse than that wouldn't get published.

I dunno. That dude early on who Ippo fought before Hayami was pretty painful. When I read the manga, I always skip that fight.

Always.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Serious Frolicking posted:

The black guy? That was a pretty good fight.

No, that was Ozma. The fella I'm talking about was after Ozma, and he won fights by point victories. He god-moded Ippo the whole fight, got greedy thinking he could get a KO. He goes nuts on Ippo, who lucks out and lands a last-second KO. It was just after the initial beach training session :v:

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

New raw is up.

Basically Woli continues to god-mode Ippo :mad: Throughout the fight, Woli takes Ippo on in his specialty, infighting. Regardless of it being his specialty, he's beaten rather badly. At the end, Woli goes for a really big wind-up punch, and Ippo charges, trying to hit him in mid-motion. Knowing how this fight has been going, I'm sure Ippo will get the gently caress countered out of him and he'll go down.

Another way to look at this fight is that Woli is essentially the second-coming of Martinez. Even Takamura acknowledged him as being the epitome of boxing talent thus far. Something to help the bitter pill go down a little better, maybe?

Geop fucked around with this message at 03:06 on Nov 17, 2009

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

fivegears4reverse posted:

... 'We're going to build up some rear end in a top hat nobody gives a poo poo about for months on end until Ippo remembers the meaning of Christmas...

I don't know why, but I am laughing like a moron at this line :v:

Regarding the raw that was just released: I'm sure 876 will be just as bad. Its ending doesn't feel right a game-changer. Woli will defy the laws of momentum and rocket-punch Ippo with his monkey powers. Repeat for a while :( Seriously wondering how Ippo is supposed to beat this guy. I know he will, but this is just looking damned ridiculous.

Plus, given how Ippo is in full-on panic mode, I seriously doubt he'll turn around in 876 and be all "JUST AS PLANNED :smuggo:"

Geop fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Nov 17, 2009

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Raw is up.

Yet another irritating chapter.

Woli does his monkey-jump and Ippo seems to finally land a body-blow, but SURPRISE. He blocked it with his elbow. Woli looks off-balance from taking a truck-blow to the elbow, so Ippo closes in. Woli dodges everything as he moves back to the ropes. He hops back, grabbing the top rope like before, ready to bound off once Ippo charges.

Ippo charges, swings wildly and stupidly. He ends up stumbling in to the ropes, but Woli unexpectedly ends up springing in to the corner. Ippo closes in, boxing him in to the corner. For a second it looked awesome. Ippo was all ANGRY GOD and poo poo. But then Ippo swings like crazy and Woli just weaves and dodges them all. Ippo aims for a big straight, but he's countered by Woli as he dodges past him. Ippo staggers in to the corner, looking like he just had his brain rattled big-time. Wide, vacant eyes.

I'm a tad befuddled as to why Woli looked so spooked by Ippo's wild swing, though, prior to ending up cornered. Regardless, just more irritating bullshit in this fight.

It also flashes a picture of Dankichi. This is what it is referring to (link) => :v:

Here's how I see it going for now:
I guess that the bell will ring before Ippo goes down. End chapter.
New chapter has them talking in the corner, Ippo is a mess. GAME OVER, MAN. GAME OVER. End chapter.
Following that, he gets his rear end handed to him again. BUT WAIT. IS THAT AN OPENING? End chapter.
BODY BLOW. But Woli reveals his ability to take truck-blows to the abdomen. He then punches Ippo's head off and steals Kumi. End chapter.

Geop fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Nov 23, 2009

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Ippo's gonna win this in half-dead/asleep mode. Showing off his NIPPON HONORARY SUPER SPIRIT FIGHTING.

This'd be an ideal time for Ippo to somehow on-the-fly learn that sakki or whatever the hell it was called that Sendo did. The special magical feint :v: Then he could shoot rainbows of death with his fists and take Woli out whilst he attempts his ninja/spider-monkey maneuvers.

I miss the good ol' see-saw fights where victory would slide back-and-forth quite regularly. THOSE were good fights. I'm hoping that one of the fights Ippo has in the future is against someone identical to him: a hard-nosed infighter who has won through guts and raw training thanks to an insane work ethic. That would be a nice fight idea, I'd think.

Of course, given how Mori is working, Ippo will probably end up going through a growth spurt and the last leg of the manga will be him going OMFG WEIGHT LOSS IS HARD.

Geop fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Nov 23, 2009

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Punc posted:

http://www.onemanga.com/Hajime_no_Ippo/875/09/ - this one is worse, the smugness in his eyes bottom right... He's making smugwolf look like a shy guy.

So, is there any chance Woli will actually become tired from jumping all around the ring and beating the loving poo poo out of Ippo, or is he too much of genius to let stamina effect him?

The only thing I see Ippo do is crawl up in a corner, take beatings for 9 rounds (2 chapters a round, off course), then smack a tired Woli the gently caress down.


Woli is practically playing with Ippo. He won't get winded just from this :(

Upon looking at this newest chapter closer, Woli bounded off of the ropes to help give his punches/movements more "oomph", hence why he excels in the corner. If Ippo is to beat him, he needs to somehow predict where he is going and avoid the corners. Or, in some odd way, he manages to beat him where he shines.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Jedah posted:

I agree, the fight sucks. Mostly because:

Miguel already told us the outcome of the match.

Miguel said that Kamogawa was a rare "Samurai" capable of making the "impossible possible through sheer force of will." He doubted anyone else in Japan could pull that off as a boxer. Well, surprise! Ippo can pull that off, and that's how he will win against Woli.

I'm almost 100% positive we'll see a flashback to Anderson vs Kamogawa and Kamogawa "ghosting" behind Ippo as he oblierates Woli with a super spirit punch.

Right now, we're subjected to the "impossible" scenario for Ippo to win (current chapters). A month from now, he'll probably pull off a miracle in a few more chapters.

It's just frustrating we have to sit through it, knowing how predictable and lame the writing is. We've seen this outcome a dozen times. I'd much rather the fight be a back-and-forth exchange where the lines blur and we don't know the outcome. Like Mashiba vs Sawamura.


Yeah, I figure it's gonna be a willpower trait. However, Kamogawa pulled it off against some guy who was almost twice his freakin' size :psyduck: David-Goliath sorta thing. Woli is just way too fast for Ippo. I'm curious how he'll end up catching him.

Definitely hoping for some more Ippo-Kamogawa parallels. If Kamogawa was in a different era and didn't break his fists, I'm curious of how far he would've gone :ohdear:

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Serious Frolicking posted:

I'm trying to think of a worse fight than this, but I'm coming up short. Maybe Takamura's last match where he became incompetent for no reason?

That match before Hayami where he almost lost to the dude who won matches by points. Pretty hard to beat that one :psyduck: At least he redeemed himself by kicking Hayami's teeth in within one round.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

gently caress. I remember that log-smashing. I miss the training arcs :( Ippo being on world level should still have him doing some awesome things to improve his strength/agility.

There better be some redemption match after this where Ippo fights some world-renowned badass up-and-comer and totally obliterates him. 'Cuz I'm sure folks will be dangling "LOL ALMOST LOST TO A ROOKIE" over his head.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Man. Re-reading the Kamogawa flashback fight was amazing :pcgaming: What happened, Mori :(

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Ytlaya posted:

I want there to be some arc where Ippo kills his opponent and spends months trying to deal with his guilt over the incident.

Is that meant to be a reference to Jojo's Bizarre Adventure? :v:

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

tazman posted:

Now come on, that fight he had against that dude with the ugly girlfriend was pretty cool. Now, Kimura fights are boring. He's like a shitter version of Miyata.

Pretty much :( Poor dude. Haven't read his Mashiba fight in forever, but I remember those two title bouts being pretty awesome.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Tricky posted:

It definitely needs some Ippo VS Evil Ippo with a goatee action, or maybe just take a break and cover Takamura's efforts to become the world champion of everything.

Maybe we cna tack on Takamura going back in time and beating the tar out of Ali and Foreman SIMULTANEOUSLY :black101:

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Niklas Kronwall 2.0 posted:

I think the primary purpose of this fight is to show what will happen when Ippo fights Itagaki, since Woli really seems like a clone of him.

I was thinking the same thing at first (hell, they LOOK the same), but their boxing styles are completely different. Itagaki had lots of amateur exposure in addition to being simply an awesome outboxer. Woli is just, well, weird. If anything, their speed and :smuggo:-faces are similar.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Jedah posted:

I wish you were right about that, but I doubt it. Sounds too dark for this particular fight. Shigeta, Hawk, and Anderson were all broken by fights, but they were also total jerkoffs.

Woli is just a "genius" having fun and being carefree, and causing us all great aggravation in the process.

Ippo broke Ozma :smithfrog: So sad... His trainer mentioned vertebrae issues at one point due to the hook he took from Ippo at one point (nearing the finisher). It's mentioned around the Hammer Nao bout, I think.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Mr. Deathy posted:

I'm pretty confident this is Ippo's last fight with an Oriental champion or whatever. I'd like to think after this he'll be aiming for like top 5 rankers or something like that (although gently caress knows what the world ranks of his last few opponents were?)

Did they ever say that Ippo was even in the top 10?

Ippo had better have some sort of uber evolution soon, because given how strong Martinez was around the Date fight, there's no way in hell he'd be able to touch him. Particularly because he's having issues with a rookie TENSAI~~~~ or some crap.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Jose posted:

I wonder which is more likely, Miyata beats Martinez and Ippo then defeats him or Ippo beats Martinez and Miyata. I'd expect the series to end with Ippo finally fighting Miyata I suppose its just a case of whether its taking the title or a defense. On the other hand it could just have Ippo defending as undisputed champion so who knows.

I imagine that Ippo will take out Martinez, Miyata will move up a weight bracket (maybe two to have a rematch with Mashiba? I don't see any major thing stopping Mashiba from getting a world belt), and then the two of them will have an off-the-records spar, just like how it started. Miyata would be used to hard hits and would have a weight advantage over Ippo, making it a bit more interesting.

Anyhow, Miyata's days in Ippo's weight class are over. The weight training just handicaps him far too much. He's definitely moving up one or two levels. If Miyata were to beat Martinez, it'd wreck things. Martinez is the absolute worst-case scenario for any boxer. If Ippo were to beat him, he'd surpass Date, which would be a lovely high-point to hit.

I still think that Miyata-Mashiba and Sendo-Vorg might be rematches in the future, simply due to the chain of events leading up to and following their initial bouts. Vorg moved up a few weight classes so he could build his rank more easily, but I'm sure he'll probably drop back down for a rematch with Ippo as well. Sendo and Vorg are the only opponents who seemed to have a good reason for rematching. Sendo had his, Vorg certainly will get one with at least one of those two.

On a random note, I wanna see Ippo spar with welters and stuff again. He did that some time ago and was still steamrolling them with his punches :3: No reason to do so presently, given how speedy 99% of his opposition is, but once he heads up against places outside of the far East, he should run across heavy-hitters.

Geop fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Dec 2, 2009

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

OnimaruXLR posted:

nah there was a break this week. next week is color pages.

Now we'll see Ippo getting slaughtered in GLORIOUS COLOR :cool:

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

I re-read the Gedo match not too long ago, and it was actually kind of tolerable. Particularly when he goes all-out and ditches his tricks.

The Mashiba-Sawamura fight was probably the last good match though.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Mr. Deathy posted:

... The Gedo fight was over 2 years ago already, drat.

Jesus gently caress. You're kidding me :gonk:

Edit: Adding to the Sisfa thing, it was actually pretty decent. Remember, Sisfa was the #1 kickboxer and then boxer in Thailand. The fact that Ippo beat him at his own bruiser-match shows how strong he is, particularly given how Sisfa was almost in berserk mode due to brain damage.

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Ytlaya posted:

Chapter 876: http://www.onemanga.com/Hajime_no_Ippo/876/

God dammit. How did they manage to forget that Sendo's coach told them that you can't catch Woli in the corner. This is the worst fight.

That's Dankichi, Vorg's coach :v:

Geop
Oct 26, 2007

Given how he reacted to Ippo's wild punch/haymaker, I wonder if the best approach is for Ippo to, well, almost brawl him. Abandon boxing form to beat him. It seemed to cause a reaction out of him. But that seems rather Takamura-like :confused:

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Geop
Oct 26, 2007

A year of lumberjacking would give him some killer hitting strength :black101: Hope Mori doesn't read SA! Otherwise, he now has a direction to go in! Time for a long montage :cool:

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