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Well, if y'all still care at this point, chapter 885 is translated: http://ippo-online.confusticated.com/ If that Woli comment with the stool is supposed to be foreshadowing, then this is even worse than I imagined. No way those lame body blows have done any real damage, not buying it. Jedah fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Mar 2, 2010 |
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Chinaman7000 posted:I feel like Ippo is the perfect example of the flaws of shonen. Even a great, pure, simple story like Ippo's gets dragged out and repeated ad nauseum, and it's hard to imagine anyone getting excited about hitting the reset button Ippo's progress before every match and making him the UP AND COMING CHALLENGER. I don't disagree with this, I think it can be saved though. Shift away from Ippo. He's completely boring and needs to re-conceptualized. He needs to grow up, badly. A while ago, characters like Date had the spotlight. Even though it's the shonen genre, Date's arc was an interesting in-depth peak at an older boxer, struggling with defeat, his own identity, and maintaining a family. It was surprisingly mature for HnI, especially given that he ultimately lost. I wish I knew of other manga that pulled that off. Any recommendations?
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Ytlaya posted:Are you specifically looking for a shounen and/or sports manga? Because there are a lot of manga that deal very well with mature themes/characters, just kinda tough to find them in this particular genre. Thanks, I'll check it out for sure! I'm trying to keep an open mind. Just compelling writing and complex characters sound good. Like many on the forum, popped my cherry on Berserk and was never able to find a replacement/new addiction.
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Mar 3, 2010 22:41
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Chapter 888 has been translated: http://ippo-online.confusticated.com/
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You guys should switch over to Garouden. Fun, easy read during the downtime of HnI. Sure, it lacks the plot and depth that HnI once had, but, god drat, these fights... they're spectacular! Also, bitches like Woli would be chewed up in the first few chapters. Actually... come to think of it, the protagonist has a "beat down" list, and Ippo's name is crossed off on it. http://www.onemanga.com/Garouden/1/00-cover/ Jedah fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Mar 31, 2010 |
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Mar 31, 2010 07:19
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Muscle porn, that's actually a good way to put it. As I keep reading fighting manga, it is amazing to me how replaceable "fight" and "gently caress" seem to be. I think all these authors/artists perhaps have some closeted feelings? Also, we're reading it.. what does that say about us? :OCoca Koala posted:I got eight pages in and closed it. Do the faces ever become not horrifying? Actually the faces get way more horrifying, especially when they introduce a very strange man named Sakura. Jedah fucked around with this message at 20:49 on Mar 31, 2010 |
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Mar 31, 2010 20:04
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pnumoman posted:True that on Garouden and Baki; anyway, if I wanted a seinen action manga, I'd go with Aiki. Speedster battle coming soon. Saeki, Karasawa and Itagaki will be fighting in the Class A tournament. Aoki and Kimura (like usual) are competing but will probably not get any special treatment. Hopefully I'm wrong, I actually like Kimura's character.
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Apr 1, 2010 17:03
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I know Infinitum, it's pretty absurd. Literally, this fight is taking so long that I'm trying to see how many entirely new mangas I can finish. Just finished Shamo, a great series, but plagued with a terribly inconvenient halt at the end. Hopefully, this ridiculous match will wrap up soon.
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My question is: Why couldn't this much time, energy, and effort be dedicated toward Sendo and Vorg's journey toward the World title? Mori could've fit 3 entire matches of Sendo/Vorg vs. various world-rankers. This would've been infinitely more interesting. No one gives a poo poo about Ippo anymore.
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Apr 6, 2010 03:54
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trucutru posted:Now the opposite is true and Ippo is going to win in completely unbelievable way to comply with "shonen writing 101" The worst flaw of Shonen writing is its lack of depth. I thought, and maybe I was wrong, that HnI was capable of in-depth character development. The best examples I can think of are from years ago... Date vs Martinez 2, Takamura vs Hawk, Miyata vs Jimmy. It all came apart around the time Sawamura got into his accident. Perhaps that was metaphorical, saying that the old days of HnI were over, because what we've had since is not the same manga I remember. Feels distinctly different. Cheaper, lazier, and less motivated. I guess once you've taken a spin in the Shonen universe, you realize it's perfect for a rollercoaster ride, and terrible for a marathon backpacking adventure.
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Geop posted:Kamogawa-Anderson was very much one-sided and almost god moding, but it MADE SENSE. Anderson was mentioned to be a boxing prodigy (world class, easily) and several, several weight classes above Kamogawa. Ippo having issues with some speedy, smug newbie just doesn't work the same. It doesn't have the sense of incredible accomplishment; it ends up feeling terribly lame and disappointing. I agree, I don't understand if this is Mori's "new" Kamogawa vs Anderson fight, because it isn't even close. Anderson was a great villan. Yes, he was a racist caricature, but he was fitting for the time period. It was a hateful war on both sides, I think everyone can acknowledge that. In any event, Anderson setup a very good "revenge" plot for Kamogawa. Everyone in that arc played a role in order to build up the stakes and the tension of the final match. In contrast, Woli is a completely wooden character. He is neither a friend or a foe, just a boring "genius" fighter. He's like Vorg without any of the personality or backstory. Woli can do a hundred backflips and bounce off the ceiling if he wants to. If I don't know anything about his motivations, or why he is even in the ring, why does the reader care at all? This is what I mean by cheap, lazy writing. I don't get it.
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trucutru posted:Morikawa: just because you make Takamura point out that this fight is total bullshit doesn't make it less BS. Thanks. (End it already) Well, Takamura's life slogan is: "I never lie about boxing." So somewhere, deep down, Mori knows this fight sucks. But yes, it is almost over, thankfully.
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Apr 14, 2010 20:00
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LightWarden posted:891 is up Eh. I dunno. I feel tired of arguing with the manga's logic. It's shonen. They're always gonna find some dumb excuse to make the underdog win, despite all odds. It wouldn't have been so bad if Woli won, and the real Ippo (the one actually prepared for the world stage) came back, completely reconditioned, and badass.
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Apr 20, 2010 21:45
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Ippo becomes world champion, and gets knocked off the throne by a young, unknown, underdog. Takamura could then meet Ippo under the tree, where Ippo first learned the jab. He'd ask Ippo to retire, since he's come so far, and much further than anyone expected. At that point, Takamura could be running the gym. That would be a cool way to end the series actually. It could complete the underdog cycle. Jedah fucked around with this message at 23:52 on Apr 23, 2010 |
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Apr 23, 2010 22:44
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Well, at least it's concluding. We're almost out of this fight.
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Apr 28, 2010 20:02
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Tezcatlipoca posted:Oh you poor sap. Nah it's cool man, thanks to this ridiculously long fight, I've read 5 or 6 other manga. I've discovered.. there are many, many manga that are currently better than Hajime No Ippo. Vinland Saga, anyone? In the glory days, Ippo was the best. Perhaps those days are long gone. It all started with Ippo's silly campaign to become the unofficial OPBF Champion. It's finally ending, though, and please, may the whole drat thing never resurface again. Jedah fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Apr 28, 2010 |
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Apr 28, 2010 20:57
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Hajime No Ippo has become so crappy that I'm totally intrigued by you guys talking about Eyeshield in this thread, and I've decided to give it a shot too. Mori, what have you done? You've literally driven away your own loyal and pissed off fans, one at a time. Not even sure you can call it hijacking or going off topic anymore, but, this thread has become a great place to find replacement manga. Jedah fucked around with this message at 20:15 on May 1, 2010 |
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Boys, some good news and bad news. A new chapter is out: http://www.mediafire.com/?hzigldgm2ny Direct Download: http://ippo.geekfeat.com/HnI_894.rar The good news, this crappy fight is finally over. The bad news, we are the most gullible audience ever. We stuck with this horrible fight this long, and this is our cheap, tacked-on ending.
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Chinaman7000 posted:Yeah. Too bad he isn't American, where being a loud cocky jackass would have made him the star he deserves to be. Right. That is all true. Takamura's world title status could do a lot for the story development. For one thing, it could be a lot less formulaic. Since Takamura should have money and clout, the Ippo gang could easily fly to new locations to train, meet new characters, like up-and-coming, talented World rankers from America/Philippines/insert country here, and have a World title bout in Vegas. Plus, you have the comedy potential for Takamura acting in commercials/being on TV and acting like a complete pervert/moron, random people approaching him in bars/on the street, etc. None of that is being tapped into, it's quite a let down. The focus just isn't on Takamura, it's.. unfortunately, on Ippo. And Ippo is a boring, predictable character, especially right now. I'm sure for Mori, he's the perfect main character. Mori doesn't have to be creative with Ippo whatsoever. Ippo just follows the same formula for success: train hard, get beat up in the ring, default to "Japanese Fighting Spirit" to win with a comeback punch. At this point I am barely interested in the manga anymore. Jedah fucked around with this message at 19:39 on May 16, 2010 |
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It's cool guys you should read Toriko, plenty of fighting & action, drunken manly men, muscly manly men, girly manly men, strange worlds and even stranger creatures, tons of hilarious gags, and ridiculous amounts of FOOD. So, on a positive note, Hajime No Ippo sucking this much is kinda good in a way. It makes me see how bad the writing is, and I've found lots of alternative manga I never would have given a chance. Jedah fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jun 7, 2010 |
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ANIME AKBAR posted:personally I wish he would stop drawing elbows as if their bones were about to poke through their skin but Miyata is RAZOR SHARP!
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This seems like as good a time as any to plug a video I did (also when the manga used to be good) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75pW8OTNr4A
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RAW of 904 is out: http://www.mediafire.com/?0dxc3823r9zkmpb
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Centzon Totochtin posted:I don't think any of the out-boxers (Itagaki, Miyata, Karasawa, etc) really ever looked as muscular as the in-boxers (Ippo, Sendo, Shimabukuro). Karasawa in the past  In the present  Also, these are both outboxer types, Mashiba and Kimura. A trend is forming. As characters gain anorexia, it boosts their Japanese "fighting spirit." Jedah fucked around with this message at 01:23 on Aug 4, 2010 |
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Just like Ippo, Mori (as a writer) has the ability to overcome the odds and make a comeback. We've been waiting a long time. The manga is looking to be much better than it used to be. Itagaki will still win this fight, and most likely beat Saeki too, but I still enjoy this fight much, much more than Woli. A dark period is ending, we can actually get excited about Ippo again (I hope).
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There are a million inconsistencies and big indicators of bad writing. The manga has just slid into a dark period. It's best not to get worked up about it, since our expectations of the author are clearly too high. He's been writing this manga for too long, I think. A nice break and changing direction to something else would help, but this is most likely his cash cow.
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Forest Fuckery, after carefully considering your post, I believe the way to save Hajime No Ippo is to kill off all the characters, except Takamura.
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In all seriousness, a Takamura "revenge" arc is EXACTLY what this manga needs. Few things in the story were better than Takamura's pure hatred/frustration/and the consequent build-up for battling Bryan Hawk. Takamura hasn't done anything too interesting in a long time.
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frabba posted:raw is up. Is anyone even scanlating this anymore? it's been like a month Yeah, there was a big down period. Chapter 907 has just been done: http://ippo-online.confusticated.com/
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After we saw the outrageous antics pulled off in the Woli match, plus the Miyata vs. RBJ match, we had to expect this sort of thing. Plus, Itagaki already had a history of doing insane stuff like this, too. Remember Hoshi? That fight was certainly just as exaggerated, it was just drawn, presented, and executed a lot better. Don't get me wrong, I agree that this new trend of writing is extremely lazy. It doesn't feel (at all) like the same HnI anymore. The manga is transitioning from "somewhat realistic" & character-driven boxing to the new approach of full-blown magical realism. The past emphasis on special technique, feints, mind games, weight control, strategy, and finesse are all quickly disappearing. Just how did this happen? I believe that the "Bolt" punch was a crucial turning point for the manga. Miyata had zero chance of victory and yet still won, for no good reason. He simply should have lost. It's like Mori spit in the faces of all the die-hard fans, and frankly, fans of common sense and logic. It was a clear proclamation of "Hey guys. This is my manga, I'm going to do whatever the gently caress I please." Takamura is supposed to be the only character in the manga who wins unconditionally. Certainly, we have accepted his role, even if it means his fights are reduced to lovely gimmicks & silly jokes sometimes. However, now Ippo, Miyata, AND Itagaki can pull off their own version of "godmode," also known as "deus ex machina," also known as "regardless of what happens, I will win." Well, that's not very interesting to read. I would be fine with everything if the fights weren't so predictable. That's what kills it for me. For example, I'm about 99.9% positive Itagaki will win Class A. Where's the drama, suspense, or tension if the fan knows what is coming? For the record, I truly hope that I'm wrong, I really, really do. I pray Morikawa does the completely unexpected and takes the manga into uncharted territory. Like many of you, I'm a long-time fan of the series, but it's very difficult to be positive for the future of the manga. Jedah fucked around with this message at 18:25 on Oct 17, 2010 |
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Fabricated posted:Also you are being way too serious about this. Generally when anyone says something is like the author/creator "spitting in the faces of fans" they're being a ridiculous sperglord. It's Japanese comics dude, it'll be okay. You can call me a sperglord, that's fine, but it doesn't change the fact that the author doesn't give a poo poo. He will do whatever he pleases. He won't read this thread, your post, my follow-up post, and therefore, this discussion (if you can even call it that) is completely pointless. vv You're just looking for an argument and I'm not biting. Sorry. Jedah fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Oct 17, 2010 |
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Bisse posted:Yeah, he'll do whatever he pleases actually, it's his comic, which has been his life work for the last 10+ years. I think he has quite a bit of say in what's going to happen in it. Spare me the self-righteous rant, please. Of course I am thankful for his manga, why do you think I am hoping, praying, and wishing that it would get better? Mori has a created a cash cow, a Hajime No Ippo brand. There's tons of merchandise, video games, manga sales, etc. Whether the current writing sucks or not is quickly becoming inconsequential. The manga is most likely too big to fail. Jedah fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Oct 17, 2010 |
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Quick update, 908 was just translated. http://ippo-online.confusticated.com/ This video is nearly identical, by comparison. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kTCS0RvcmA Jedah fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Oct 18, 2010 |
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Indiana_Krom posted:I haven't read a chapter of Ippo since I ragequit at 882 because of Woli... Is it safe to resume reading it again? Sadly, it's still terrible. Ippo's new opponent is basically Hoshi 2.0. No idea at all why he is fighting again, everyone wants to see other matches from the supporting characters.
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Since Morikawa is now openly calling his own protagonist a waste of time, does this means Ippo won't be the focus anymore? That would be fantastic. A shift of narrative over to Sendo, Vorg, Takamura, or Sawamura feel overdue, and welcomed.
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A clean boxing match at the world stage with no lame gimmicks, or tricks - featuring Vorg! This is the best the manga has been in years. Mori is full of surprises. I would also like to see Mori turn this manga around and regain its former glory. So far, so good.
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Hortism posted:Isn't that a plot point from Baki? That's the subplot of Baki. The main plot is based upon Keisuke Itagaki's daddy issues, and his passionate love for naked muscle men.
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So, I'm guessing that I can't post a link to the latest RAWs, but Chapter 1069 just got released. The fight with Alf (which originally began in 2013) has finally concluded. Where will Mori go from here? Your guess is as good as mine. I won't spoil anything, or say anything else, but I'm very curious to hear about your reactions regarding the outcome. EDIT: Apparently even this attempt at a neutral comment is a "spoiler." Jedah fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 26, 2014 |
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trucutru posted:I haven't read the RAW but, "I'm very curious to hear about your reactions regarding the outcome" is about as big a spoiler as you can write.. Not that I care, but come on. Yep, and this kind of nonsense is exactly why I don't post here anymore. I hate to break it to you, but that is not a spoiler. I'm not gonna sit here and argue about it, either. If you really feel that way, you better edit your post and add spoiler tags, because I just did.
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