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I'm up to soon before the Volg fight, and early-ish Ippo is such a good sports manga. Miyata is also a pretty interesting and atypical "rival" character, as someone who struggles and does more poorly than the protagonist early on, despite being an "elite genius"-type character. I think my only gripe is that Ippo really gets no clear solid wins to speak of, outside of his literal first fight. Even ones I barely remembered (like that guy at Date's gym) almost beat Ippo before he barely pulls off a win. It's funny how consistently worthless Kamogawa is. In the Saeki fight he's like "OH NO, IPPO IS DOOMED, HE CAN'T POSSIBLY WIN" (after giving him the brilliant advice of "just punch him once!") and Ippo has to independently come up with a strategy. Which he does, and it's pretty clever. He knows Saeki will aim for his blind spot, and he pays attention to his rhythm to time it right. Maybe Kamogawa could have suggested it to him if he was a good coach/second! And in the chapter I just read, Volg's coach owns Kamogawa by telling him "lots of these promising Japanese fighters are destroyed because they keep trying to push through with spirit alone."
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Interesting reading this chapter after just recently having read the original chapters of Miyata and Ippo's fights against Mashiba.
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Aug 8, 2023 19:04
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How has Itagaki been doing lately? According to the wiki he's just been getting a ton of technical wins. Can't remember where he is in the rankings, though. Edit: It's also funny in hindsight how poor Geromichi gets shuffled off so Ippo can get a better looking junior later. Though at least he shows up again as Hammer Nao and gets to fight Ippo.
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Aug 9, 2023 01:49
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Takes No Damage posted:Heh, in my most recent re-read attempt I noticed the opposite: I was surprised at how may fights he (at least in retrospect) won pretty handily. Date's #2 is one that I specifically noted as being a clean win since Ippo, despite taking some hits, pretty thoroughly wrecks his poo poo and gets the KO in round 1 of a 10 round fight. He wins quickly (partly because his early matches are 4-rounders), but almost always with significant damage and some sort of "losing scare." I think Hayami and his very first fight are the only truly one-sided fights so far. Hayami one was good because it was also a surprise given all his build-up. lt's also kind of comical how Ippo's fights usually end with his opponents being like "I have a new lease on life and am excited to keep boxing," and then they just quit either immediately or after one more fight. Ippo's first opponent is particularly funny. He develops a new passion for boxing after his loss and decides not to quit...only to immediately be like "actually I obviously don't have what it takes" and quits and becomes fat.
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Aug 10, 2023 00:37
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One other element to the earlier manga I like is how Umezawa quietly struggles with his guilt over bullying Ippo for a long time. A lesser series would have just brushed that aside. Edit: IIRC doesn't he finally explicitly apologize at some point?
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Aug 10, 2023 03:04
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tbp posted:yes, but ippo being ippo he basically downplays it entirely, instead just pointing out that they are friends. he also attempts to apologize to mama makunouchi and she does something similar, but sterner. his working at the fishing business is sorta his "first step" into a reformed man, after he's acknowledged his past. then his sorta actualization moment is when he shifts over to being a manga artist Yeah, that's not surprising, but it doesn't bug me since Umezawa himself still recognizes what he did.
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Aug 10, 2023 18:14
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The series will end with the world's first 4-person boxing fight between Martinez, Ippo, Miyata, and Sendo
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Aug 11, 2023 03:53
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Kart Barfunkel posted:I just started this anime last week and so far it’s really entertaining, informative about boxing in a way that keeps me interested, and genuinely inspiring at times. It's great. My friend and I got super into weight-lifting after watching it in college lol
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Aug 23, 2023 09:45
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Larry Cum Free posted:It'll be fun after Ippo beats the poo poo out of two world champions in higher weight classes than him in sparring and still doesn't think he has what it takes to return to boxing. To be fair, the Ippo/Volg spar wasn't really Ippo owning Volg. Volg is surprised at first at Ippo not treating it like a touch spar, and then they get some hits in on each other once Volg starts taking it more seriously, and they're broken apart before Volg can attempt to do something about Ippo's Dempsey roll. He was still definitely fighting on-par with Volg, though Ricardo is apparently some hyper-genius that is better than the world champions in most other weight classes.
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Aug 24, 2023 00:15
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Good soup! posted:Ippo steps into the ring, Mashiba uses the elbow block again, Ippo permanently destroys his fist and can never box again He already did this to the point where his shattered bones were literally penetrating his skin, and fixed it by Mari-sensei telling him to put his hands in cold water + giving him a painkiller shot
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Aug 24, 2023 01:12
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UnderFreddy posted:i think it's fun to watch the development from "just let Ippo stay retired" to "bring him BACK" after seeing how he'll actually he changing from the boring as sin matches he had pre-retirement. He might get one or two cool matches after coming back, but then he'll revert to old habits, mark my words.
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Aug 28, 2023 19:07
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Ippo recreating my childhood experience of hitting a rubber object (basketball for me) with a metal club (baseball bat for me) and having it bounce off and smack me in the face. Only in my case it gave me a giant black eye.
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Sep 5, 2023 23:36
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She's lucky because just the basketball hit her. I had my friend toss me a basketball, which I tried to hit like a baseball. The ball ended up heading more straight towards my face, and I tried to hit it from that angle, causing the actual bat itself and bounce into my face.
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Sep 6, 2023 04:54
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UnderFreddy posted:tried reading some of the chapters from the anime ended, and a lot of it sort of feels important at the time (like Itagaki, Broccoliman, Ippos title fights post-Sawamura), but like..most of it peters out into nothing. Sort of feels like not a whole lot would've been lost from Ippo himself if he'd gone straight to Wally->Gonzales. Maybe keep the Kojima fight? "Randy Boy Jr" lol I can never get over this, it's such a funny name
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Sep 6, 2023 18:19
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He's doing it so he can "help" Majima just like he did Vorg.
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Sep 7, 2023 18:28
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tbp posted:i sincerely think this is the best training arc ever written in manga lol My sole gripe about it is the silliness with the training weights (that seem to exist solely to create a "wait, he hasn't removed them yet  " scene).That method doesn't work in real life! And even if it's supposed to work in the specific context of this manga, there'd be zero reason for all other serious boxers to not also use it. Wearing weights everywhere is probably one of the lowest-effort forms of training Ippo does. Aside from that it's been great, though.
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Oct 5, 2023 00:20
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Me clicking "next page" and being confused
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Oct 10, 2023 21:37
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tbp posted:one narrative thread i have a bit of nerves coming around is if mori tries to reframe kamogawa as always having given ippo good advice, it just was that ippo didn't synthesize it well. this just isn't really the case, his communication to ippo was always pretty bad. If I'm being really generous, Kamogawa can be credited with "teaching Ippo effective exercises for learning various skills" (I mean, most wouldn't be great in reality, but in the context of the manga they presumably are). And Ippo presumably benefits a lot from Kamogawa's drills where Ippo hits his gloves. But the guy basically never actually has good advice for Ippo. He's only good for helping Ippo learn new skills (and even then, only sometimes). I can't think of any time that he's had insightful advice for Ippo during a match.
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Oct 11, 2023 23:51
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Vizuyos posted:yeah, I'm rereading this from the start right now and Kamogawa almost never provides any actual help Takamura definitely provides the most actual advice. There are some times where the coach technically has a semi-reasonable plan, but it's kept secret from the reader (and thus Ippo), presumably for the purposes of dramatic tension. The best example of this is the Ippo/Vorg fight. Ippo is basically just getting owned constantly (it's almost Woli-tier in terms of how one-sided it is until the very end), and the coach gives zero advice other than "hang in there." In the end, it's revealed that Ippo wins because he has more stamina than Vorg (which is pretty plausible given Vorg's background), and his intense drilling allows him to continue to throw his punches effectively even while running on fumes, while Vorg starts to fall apart near the end. I guess you're supposed to interpret this as "the coach doing what is necessary to keep Ippo going long enough to wear down Vorg," but it just comes off like the coach stonewalling Ippo and telling him to just keep getting the poo poo beat out of him.
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Oct 12, 2023 01:39
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I believe it's also true that moving your head closer can reduce the power of a punch, because the fist connects too early into the motion (before the arm is extended enough to maximize power)?
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Oct 14, 2023 00:47
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Bisse posted:Spoken as someone with max half a year of martial arts experience: I actually separately learned this (since making that last post) while looking up how to correctly throw a jab, where it was emphasized not to move forward during the motion because it'll just make any incoming punches hit you harder (and that this is a bad habit many people have). So it seems like the main reason it's dumb is that you're not "making the punch connect early" so much as "making the punch connect while you're moving towards it, effectively increasing its relative speed." Edit: it sounds sorta like countering yourself lol
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Nov 1, 2023 00:42
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UnderFreddy posted:i enjoy that Ippo doesn't figure out a solution and doesn't instantly fight to the level of the champion Mashiba is facing. He's strong to be a world class level sparring partner, but not more than that Yeah, it'd be kind of unbelievable if Ippo was just suddenly able to easily defeat Mashiba, who is one of the top world fighters in his (higher) weight class.
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Nov 8, 2023 09:06
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But the best part is that Ippo actually figures out Mashiba is mad about Kumi and thinks "but we're both adults." Legitimately wasn't expecting that. I expected him to stay oblivious.
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Nov 9, 2023 00:21
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tbp posted:yeah definitely. there's been little things ("too modern" taxis, laptops, etc.) but now it's a legit plot point. i kinda dig it. Laptops were pretty common as early as like 2000 though. The laptop I brought to college in 2004 wasn't that dissimilar from modern laptops in general appearance. IIRC smartphones (in the style Itagaki is using here) weren't much of a thing in Japan until the early 10s, which is a *way* bigger jump.
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Nov 15, 2023 22:34
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lmao at Miyata immediately assuming it was the flame war
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Dec 26, 2023 19:43
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Bisse posted:Man this is gonna be an epic dick joke. His dick was so big they thought it was a gun in his pants Ippo shows up and they realize the error of their judgement
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GateOfD posted:lol, they really made him as unlikeable as they could this chapter, my god. I actually disagree. I think they're setting him up for some sort of "redemption" by revealing that he's an rear end in a top hat because he wants everyone to feel as bad as he feels. It means that he could turn a new leaf if he manages to enjoy himself or otherwise feel satisfied by the match.
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Jan 23, 2024 23:07
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I think that might be the first outright friendly Ippo/Mashiba interaction? Like he gets "mad" about him meeting Kumi but then does the victory pose.
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Feb 21, 2024 01:40
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Mashiba loses to Rosario, and then Martinez Consumes Rosario, gaining his abilities. Because of this, Ippo can avenge Mashiba by defeating Martinez (who now carries within him the essence and abilities of Rosario).
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Feb 22, 2024 01:46
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Takes No Damage posted:Probably not, if anyone is getting fridged in the ring to spur Ippo on it would be Sendo. There's no rule saying they can't both die in the ring!
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Feb 22, 2024 02:25
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Lamebot posted:Mashiba will explode into a cloud of bloody mist after accidentally stubbing a toe on the ringside steps. He will then reform into a man with the power to turn parts of his body into bloody mist. The ref rules this fair, since it is using his natural abilities.
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Feb 24, 2024 00:19
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Kunabomber posted:Final chapter is a time skip with retired Ippo heading off into the rising sun on the family boat with kumi shoreside holding his son waving him off, and a pan shot over articles about his epic fight with Martinez that we never got to see, and the article doesn't detail who won. Then a news bulletin on tv warns about a sudden impending storm I lol'd at the last sentence of this post
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Rosario is going to use the superior leg muscles of an Italian to instant dash close to Mashiba.
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Centzon Totochtin posted:Isn't he Puerto Rican or is that the joke I didn't even remember what ethnicity he's supposed to be lol
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