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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

A window AC would probably be worse than your mini-split. You can absolutely try your setup with the mini-split and just plan for the contingency that if the fridge kicks on while the AC is running while you're trying to microwave food that SOMETHING is going to be very unhappy. This could be any of the big loads and/or the generator. The mini-split may undervolt and not come back on for a long while; the generator may stall and you lose all power for a bit; the fridge may trip offline and go into some protective mode for longer than your food is good for.... If you were in a constrained-generation location (off-grid, boat, etc), then there'd be load-shedding set up, but that's overkill for a house.

The expectation is that an electrician knows the PoCo and Inspector already and can schedule the job so that the inspector shows up and inspects the job and signs off on it with the presumption that the final connect will be as good as the electrician's other work. Then the PoCo shows up, pulls the meter, the sparky makes his four final connections, does a final sanity check, and the PoCo guy pops the meter back in and job's done.
Oh, I'm not the guy with the mini split, mine is a standard central ac.

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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Well thanks for the info folks, guess the generator will still be useful, but significantly less so than various "what size generator do you need?" articles and actual reviews of the generator in question suggested it would be.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
General question for anyone - What's happening in this setup to require larger and larger gauge wire? An MPPT doesn't put out more power than it's fed, right? How much power do the batteries put out at once? I have no background in any of this, so if the questions are dumb, sorry.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Am I mistaken that tying the switch/outlet combo into a random set of neutrals might result in a shared neutral? If so, he'd have to ensure that the two circuits are on opposite phases, right? Or is that not a huge concern?

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
I posted here awhile ago about installing an interlock kit for a portable generator. I haven't gotten an electrician out yet, but I opened the panel the other day, and I've got a question before I get any further in the process.

My plan was to have them combine two of the 20 amps on the right into a tandem breaker, and shift everything down so they can fit a 30amp double pole at the top for the generator circuit. I was expecting to see an indication inside the panel of which positions could take tandem breakers, but I don't see anything. Do some panels accept tandems in any spot? In no spots?

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

nwin posted:

Dammit, I wish I could just swap these two switches.

The one on the left is for the kitchen lights, the one on the right is for the fan and has the dimmer. I’d love to be able to dim my kitchen lights.


Question for anyone: What's the blue portion of that switch? Can you... Dim.... The dimmer?

Slugworth fucked around with this message at 11:54 on Jul 25, 2022

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Figured it was something along those lines. Interesting, I've just never run into a dimmer where I felt the range was unacceptable.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Motronic posted:

Yes.

US residential power is "split phase". From the pole you get a hot, another hot that is out of phase with the first one by 180 degrees (relative to the neutral) and a neutral. Grab 2 hots and it's 240v (think of it as "negative 120v" to "positive 120v" = 240v - this is wrong and a gross oversimplification). Grab either hot and the neutral and it's 120v.

So things that are 240v only may have a 3 wire outlet which is just hot, hot, ground with no neutral. And yes, ground is electrically the same thing is neutral since they are bonded together (usually in the panel) but their actual function is wildly different, as neutrals are intended to carry current and grounds are intended as a safety system only. So using a ground as part of a circuit is a great way to energize the safety system of your home wiring in interesting ways.
Huh, I was taught once that in a 3 wire 240 circuit, each hot acted as a neutral for the other. I didn't fully understand the explanation, so I'm struggling to relay what I was told, but it had to do with them being out of phase with each other. Is that not accurate?

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

The Bananana posted:

How do I find a good electrician?
And how do I know if I'm being charged typical rates, or if I'm being over charged?

Multiple bids, like I did with my roof, or with replacing my AC?
Just ask them for the typical rates, not the high ones.

Yeah, multiple bids. And finding a good anything just comes down to asking folks you know who they've used.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

And yeah, I figure cash speaks volumes, it's finding the retired electrician that's the problem.
Lol, I mean, have you tried the local dive bar?

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Motronic posted:

Those are neutrals.

Please go read the thread recommended book on electrical for homeowners before touching any more electrical. That is a far too basic a question to be asking for someone with a switch out of a wall.
I think his terminology made his question unclear. I don't think he's asking about the white wires, but instead the black wire from the white Romex.

OP, for what it's worth, every word of Motronic's response is good advice, but if I'm understanding your question correctly, that black wire may be abandoned, but it also may simply have never been used, and they just used that length of Romex to run the neutral (the white wire). Abandoned/unused wire can be capped off and left in place, but it's best practice to also label it in some way to indicate what the deal with it is.

Still, go read the book.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Super-NintendoUser posted:

So I need to move my microwave. I pulled a dedicated run for it a while back, but in the new place, the only run is a dedicated 20AM circuit that just has only one outlet for the refridgerator on it. Would it be acceptable to connect it on the circuit with the fridge? It's a lot easier to do that instead of pulling a new run all there.

Hmm so Google says that I should have the microwave (which is a fixed under cabinet model) on it's own circuit but the fridge can go on a small appliance branch circuit. So what I'll do is remove the plug for the refridgerator (probably installed by the previous occupant to get a new outlet to a new wall) and just extend it to the microwave location using a junction box in the basement. Then I'll just come off a nearby countertop outlet down for the fridge.

The countertop outlet is a 20A circuit that only has three other outlets on it, so I can use that to power the fridge and add another over the counter outlet (for a total of five outlets). Probably that's ok?

I pulled out my black and decker wiring book, and I see that it indicates using a 12/3 with two 20A circuits for the counters, I guess the 12/3 is to make it easier to pull so you don't have to pull two runs all the way back. In my case, I think I'll just reuse the existing fridge run for the the microwave since it's isolated already and right there and then I'll just pull a new run for the two new outlets I want to add so I only have three outlets per 20A circuit.
I'd think twice about putting your fridge on the same circuit as a bunch of GFCI outlets.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

NZAmoeba posted:

Hi thread! I have a question regarding 100 year old wiring!

I currently have this outlet, which is the only 2-prong outlet in the house



I had an electrician doing some other work, who said I could replace that with a 3 prong as long as I got a gfci model.

Having bought one and opening the socket up, I found the wiring is of a different type to what my new socket expects, this is a screw down type.



I'm also not sure if this is a live and neutral combination, or a single core wire line/load set-up?

For reference, the existing socket had the wires connect at opposite sides, diagonal to each other.

What model of socket should I be looking for so I don't go and buy the wrong thing? Is it even wise to try and get a 3 prong outlet here?

Why didn't you just have the electrician do it while he was there, out of curiosity? You're asking questions that are a bit concerning for someone doing electric work - Everyone starts from scratch, and that's fine, but it's best to have a good base understanding before opening up an outlet.

So, for starters, you don't have the wrong type of wire for your outlet, wire is wire. It's just a matter of whether you choose to loop it and put it on the screw posts vs leaving it straight and using the backstab on the outlet. You should always loop it and screw it down, because backstabs are kind of garbage. They're UL approved, code approved, lazy professionals use them, but they're kind of garbage. So if the outlet you bought doesn't have screw posts, get one that does.

Go grab a non contact voltage detector. I'm assuming you shut off the power to pull everything apart, if not, do so. With it all taken apart (like shown in your photo), turn the power back on and use the voltage detector to verify which wire is hot and which isn't. White should be neutral, black should be hot, but the guy before you could have been an idiot, so verify. Then go shut the power off again. Wire the hot to the brass screw labeled line, and the neutral wire to the silver screw labeled line. The old outlet being hooked up diagonally as you saw isn't an issue with a non GFCI outlet, but your GFCI won't function if you do the same with the new one. Neatly tuck the wire back in to the box, taking care to fold the wires, rather than just jamming them in all willy nilly, which will just put stress on your connections.

It is indeed wise to upgrade to the GFCI, but only if it's done properly, and with the understanding that it's a better than nothing fix, but still has some downfalls - It won't protect sensitive equipment as well as a properly grounded outlet, but should be a significant safety upgrade.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

corgski posted:

Sure looks like it. The solution to that outlet is to cap the wires and stop using it, and ideally find where it's spliced into the modern wiring and disconnect it entirely (and then pull new romex to it if you need a receptacle there.)
What leads you to believe that? It just looks like cloth covered wire in conduit to me. Which, yeah, not ideal, but I'm not used to seeing that treated as an instant nope (though to be fair, removing every inch of it was one of the first things I did on my first house).

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Motronic posted:

There aren't many places where this was a thing. If I saw that around here I could be 100% assured it's knob and tube.
Ah, yeah, Chicago bias then, which I should know better than assuming the stuff I've seen is par for the course.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

H110Hawk posted:

We do want to help, but it's easier to work with broad strokes than tiny bites. Literally post a picture of the space, a picture of your list of things you hope to do, hard requirements ("I need 10gbps for streaming porn to my roof-top projector") and we can help guide you. This is the wiring thread, it's easy to subtly kill yourself. Ground loads should be basically 0 to you in a residential setting but maybe you get it slightly wrong. This is one wire somewhere in a house hooked up to the wrong pin on an outlet basically:



Ok, but can you even imagine how fast the porn must be streaming to cause that??

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
While setting up Christmas or Halloween decorations, I often run into situations where a string of lights or simple light up decoration (nothing motorized, etc) won't daisy chain with each other because one is polarized and the other isn't. Is there a reason something like a string of LEDs would need to be polarized, or are plug decisions in some cases just like, whatever they had laying around?

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

SyNack Sassimov posted:

(7 pages of text)
Friend, I'm pretty sure he just didn't have the time to process all of... That.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Pentecoastal Elites posted:

Hello wiring thread, I somehow missed you before I posted my question in the home thread and got a suggestion to ask here:

the general consensus seems like "no" beyond 12 gauge being more difficult to work with, but wanted to triple-check before pushing forward with this project.
thanks!
My only point of confusion is, would you be replacing all the components of the existing 15amp circuit? Because if so, sure, upgrade to 20/12. But if any part of that existing 15/14 circuit is still there, it's pointless/a potentially confusing/dangerous situation for a future owner.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Powered Descent posted:

Only red and white wires, no green. Does the cable armor itself serve as the ground or something?
The conduit *can* act as the ground, but it's an assumption based on a bunch of ifs.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Does code allow for 3 phase power to a toilet??

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

DaveSauce posted:

it doesn't have a UL or ETL mark, but it does have a c CSA us mark. Wasn't sure if that was acceptable or not... dunno why it wouldn't be, but I see UL and ETL, and even TUV, way more often.
Not sure I'd put a lot of stock in the opinion of a bunch of secessionists.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

devicenull posted:

Is a 20A outlet even going to accept what's presumably 6 gauge wire?
Hell, they barely accept 12.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:

I guess this is the right thread to ask this.

Given that Tripp-Lite turned out to be super evil, what surge protectors should I be buying now?
There's no ethical consumption in capitalism, buy whatever surge protectors work the best. For real. The politics of every company's owner are going to be bad.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

IOwnCalculus posted:

The real risk there would be that someone in the future plugs something in that is expecting a neutral on that third pin and not another phase of spicy electrons.
At our old shop, we discovered that some outlets caused power tools plugged into them to release the magic smoke. I might be misremembering/misunderstanding, but the problem ended up being that the guy who wired the place up when we bought it (not an electrician, just a guy who worked for the company and was considered handy) apparently didn't realize the place had 3 phase power, and put some breakers in the wrong slots.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
My greenlee non-contact has given up the ghost after 15 years of service. I'm inclined to just buy another one, but figured I'd ask if anyone has strong opinions on any non contacts in particular.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

UKJeff posted:

Went to repair an extension cord where the receptacle had melted. Unremarkable, wasn’t really paying attention, then I went to plug it in to see if it worked. Felt a tingle so I looked down to see what the issue was …….


Welcome to the club. Multiple goons have done this, I managed to escape without tingle.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

Soap Scum posted:

i feel like a halfway competent electrician should have figured that out once they saw what was going on at the panel.
I'm reasonably baffled as to how the electrician was getting partial voltage on a wire not hooked up to anything.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
We have this stupid master switch thing at work for our lighting throughout the clinic, that if anyone accidentally bumps, makes entire sections of the clinic refuse to light back up until we've hit the master switch thing a couple times, flipped the light switches a couple times, seemingly at random, until it works again. We all hate it, and maintenance is dragging their feet on removing it (I suspect they don't know how to fix it).

So I opened it up today, figuring I'd just tie the various hots to the various switch legs and be done. There were no wires, just a single cat5 cable. I don't need any advice, as I put it all back together and have admitted defeat, I just wanted to say how much I hate smart devices.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Yeah, sorry, guess 'smart device' has specific connotations, it's definitely a centralized lighting control, handles our sign, parking lot lights, etc. Hadn't occurred to me this could be a requirement though, so all the better that I didn't monkey with it I guess.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Lol, anyone spending 1300 on that thing is a loving sucker, when you can get this for just 20 bucks.
https://www.amazon.com/Duraflame-Fi...027092939&psc=1

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!

HolHorsejob posted:

Thank you for reminding me to never leave the ground
Good Lord, you're on the ground?? That's where that plane is gonna crash!!

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Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Our two year old Generac at work developed a coolant leak that kept it from kicking on. Just seems like a baffling thing to have already failed.

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