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Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
It's just too dick-ish to the other team. Plus, if I'm paying to a part of a team and I only have X minutes of time on the field, I'm not going to waste it. I just want to play.

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Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

iajanus posted:

Yeah, running to the corner would be bizarre (except if you actually playing in front of some supporters) but :lol: at the idea that people don't celebrate to some degree in competitive leagues, at least here. Not sure what country you guys are in but here where we play 90 minute games nobody's wasting any real time having such fun, you're not being a dick unless you're actively waving it in people's faces, and we're not all robots who play only for the purity of the game...

Indoor games or 6v6 would be a bit weird to do so, obviously....

Sorry, dude. Anything more than high fiving a couple team mates on the way back to your own half is shoving it in their faces. The only thing that makes professional players celebrating tolerable is the fact that there is at least a couple thousand people there celebrating with them. Even then, most celebrations are pretty cringeworthy.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
I bought new soccer balls for all the kids I coached. Way better than some dumb medals for participating.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
I don't think a couple extra ounces matter that much. The most important things are how comfortable does it feel, how long will it last, and how does the ball feel at my feet (which doesn't really apply to you, by the sound of it). The rest is just marketing bullshit. I never noticed the extra ounces.

I've been using my Reebok SprintFit Pros since like 2008 or whenever they came out. They've outlasted many other shoes I've worn. I personally think pumas are very poorly made, but it's good to hear yours have lasted so long.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
When it comes to diagnoses like that, I think it's always worth seeking a second opinion. If they are literally out of ideas, then there's no real harm in getting some fresh eyes on your charts and imaging. If you haven't already (and I imagine you probably have) get copies of whatever medical information they're willing to give you. After you find a specialist you trust, sign whatever HIPAA release is required for your old specialist to send everything to the new one.

That being said, rehab and pain management aren't the death sentence they're made out to be. If you find the right facility with knowledgable staff, they can do a lot of good work getting back lost mobility and stability.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Sounds like that physical therapy office is full of poo poo. There's always something they can do. If they're not on the same page as your pain management clinic and coming up with a good in-office and at-home workout plan, then they're not worth going to.

I know VA insurance really blows, but do they give you an HSA or a flex card or anything like that? It can really help ameliorate the costs of paying out of pocket. It's also worth looking into reimbursement programs for health expenditures.

Edit: Anecdotally, from my own experience, going to a different physical therapy office and having a different doctor examine my ankle made a world of difference. I used to have pretty poor stability and lingering pain that would put me on the sidelines for 1-2 weeks at a time. Now, I hardly notice it and I'm playing about as well as I was 5 years ago (albeit slightly slower).

Vinestalk fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Sep 2, 2015

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Foam rollers are pretty good, but I've found that they're really only a supplementary exercise used to compliment other means of treatment. If there's a lot of issues with IT bands, hamstrings, groin muscles, and the achilles, then a foam roller is going to be great in alleviating tension and providing more flexibility to do other things (which can be correcting basic mechanics, improving stability, and other associated treatments). But the most important thing is always going to be knowing the underlying issues for whatever is causing the discomfort and treating them in a measured approach.

mushi posted:

Just wondering if other people have been able to recover from this poo poo while still playing occasionally, or if it literally took just not playing at all for 8 weeks and swimming/cycling for exercise instead. Definitely don't want to develop a heel spur or some poo poo, but also not playing for like a few months for something that's a mild annoyance when I wake up is just kind of hard to imagine.

My recommendation is to just take it easy. After my bouts with chronic injuries, I just came to the conclusion that I'd rather get fully fit and prevent long-term serious damage further down the road. I did a lot of dumb stuff playing injured and I certainly paid for it.

Vinestalk fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Sep 3, 2015

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Played my first organized game after a prolonged stint of physical therapy and it felt great. Definitely the best I've played in years. Playing pick up was a big help as well, it was nice to acclimate at an easy pace. I was real dumb to just keep playing while I was injured, but there was no way I could have afforded the cost of pt before I started.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

mushi posted:

Soooo I'm just going to take a few months off and cycle/swim and get shoes that aren't complete poo poo for arch support when it feels better. For what it's worth, if anyone else is concerned about it or want an indoor boot that is comfy and has a removeable insole that you can replace with an orthotic insole, I'm waiting on some Joma top flex boots to come in.

Good stuff, man. Future you will be very happy in November/December.

TasmanianX posted:

For pete's sake. I got the results back from the MRI yesterday and it was an acl tear. Son of a bitch.

Condolences. The real important thing is that there's no way to speed up ACL recovery. It's long, it's real boring, and PT will become a chore (both the home stuff and the visits). But it's all really crucial stuff. If you get back to moving too soon, you'll feel fine right up until your leg just gives out for seemingly no reason.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Yeah, running on a lovely surface is going to cause more impact wear/tear on whatever injuries you have affecting your joints.

The thing about ankle injuries is that however healthy you think it is, it's real easy for it to go straight back to square one. Take some extra time to build up some strength and balance in it. Here are some of the exercises I did that helped with my ankle injuries:

-Standing on one foot (the injured ankle) with just my eyes closed. This is just a basic balance thing that helps figure out where a lot of the strengthening needs to take place and is something good to do early on in recovery.
-Standing on one foot, bouncing a tennis ball against a wall. This gets some more movement involved in the balancing and gets you thinking less about the ankle.
-Standing on one foot, using the other foot to dribble a tennis ball around myself (clockwise and counter). Slightly more advanced movement.

The important thing to do is to not dig your toes in when you're doing these exercises, because it takes a lot of the work off your ankle which defeats the purpose. Relax your toes, or even raise them, while keeping your heel planted and foot level. You can do the exercises in shoes, but I think I got more out of them doing them barefoot on a carpeted surface.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
You need to take some time off and do some strengthening exercises, bud. You would also probably benefit from a foam roller, since your leg is probably tight and aching from having to compensate for the injured knee.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

Geno posted:

It’s been a little over 2 months since I sprained my ankle.

It felt good the last week. Played a full 90 on Saturday with little to no pain during the game. Lifted weights and worked on its flexibility on Sunday, then played around 40 minutes in my outdoor 7v7 game on Monday.

Ankle felt very sore on Tuesday. Decided to skip indoor on Wednesday since hopping was a bit painful. Now it’s Friday and still hurts a bit when I walk. Argh so frustrating :wankah:

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Soulex posted:

Got the trial surgery done. Amazingly it really helps with my leg pain. Granted it feels like it's asleep 24/7 now with the stim pack on but the constant pain is minimal. I can't wait to walk around and stuff to see how much it mitigates with movement.

That'll be after my back heals up though. Hurts so goddamn bad I'm popping oxy like candy.

That's great to hear, man.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
There's some lovely website for my league that I can't find (which requires players pay a $45 player card fee on top of team registration fee for each player, for both Summer and Spring) and another lovely website for the indoor league I play in. Topped Div 2 in the fall outdoor, so moving up to Div 1 in the spring. The indoor team hasn't lost or drawn a game since March, but the level of competition on Sunday is pretty bad for some reason.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Lost a contact while playing pickup today. Can't wait to laser my eyeballs so I don't have to put up with this garbage ever again.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
It's easy (not wrong) to blame the keeper for trying to make something happen at the end of the game, but how did those other 7 goals get in there?

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
I play indoor, as well, and am well aware that the open play and faster pace leads to more goals. My point wasn't "they let a bunch of goals in." It was "everybody probably could have done better instead of just blaming the keeper."

One of the biggest things everyone sees in indoor games (no matter where you play) is a total disregard for defending and tracking back. It's a short field and you more than likely have the ability to make frequent subs. One hard sprint and you're already back in front of your own goal. And yet teams get caught on the counter almost every couple of possessions. Rather than solely blaming the loss on the keeper going forward, maybe think about how the team can defend better and how to make it so running forward is less desirable for the keeper. What are your players doing as soon as he comes into possession? How open are they and where are they on the field? How much confidence does he have in the players at the back being able to maintain possession and get the ball forward?

All that being said, maybe it's time to start looking for a new keeper. I'm just pitching ideas.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Spend most of the time in small sided games or in larger scrimmages. Load the early portion with normal warm up stuff (whatever form of stretching/plyos/running/etc...), then to small circles passing the ball with people trying to steal it in the middle, then to larger confined areas for passing (inside the box, 1 touch, two teams inside, one team lining the outside, rotate on X number of passes or on lost possession depending on how poo poo everyone is).

The point of drills or training exercises is to improve something missing from the game or hammer home a point regarding a glaring problem. Preseason isn't the time for that because you don't know what problems exist. Preseason is time to get in shape, shake off the rust, and get the team understanding how each other passes the ball, make runs, defend, and position themselves. Some people latch onto the concept that preseason is purely about fitness levels so everyone runs a shitload, but playing the game correctly is the best method of getting fit again, especially for a more casual team.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

Breath Ray posted:

oh I dont have a camera so was just wondering. I suppose artificial light wont be necessary in a couple of months. just thought it would be fun to record our 5-a-side games with a cheap camera mounted high up on the chain link fence and wondered if anyones used a particular brand. I'm glad that you are getting the help you need from uncle sam.

Get a GoPro and check out their mounts/clamps.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

Breath Ray posted:

I think it would be tricky to get a panorama from the sidelines so I'll probably go with one at the end. I'm probably being a bit dim but what is the advantage of a static gopro over a camera phone?

Longer battery life, better image quality, wider angle gives more coverage if you have to clamp it to something close to the field, more reliable clamps that can be hooked to just about anything, more durable/weatherproof, people won't ridicule you once they see your pink unicorn phone case, can be turned on/off remotely, high frame rate recording options (120fps I think?).

Wearing it while playing is laughable.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
I think the truly sad thing is that everyone who wears one while playing thinks they will look exactly like that.

Breath Ray posted:

Yes I was imagining a great big thing but they are tiny. Just need to decide between a hero+ or a hero session now. Wonder which is better for non POV...

They're both the same, in my opinion. Unless you're doing advanced poo poo with 4K or doing your own color balancing in protune mode, then getting a + is kind of gratuitous.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
He's not trying out for a team or even doing rec league stuff. Doing wind sprints and training sessions is way overkill.

birds posted:

i bought a ball recently and want to start playing, will probably pick up some boots soon. my university has a pick up group which i have joined but i'm a little intimidated to show up until i develop some skills. so far me and my roommate just go to the park and just kick the ball around but are there any practice drills that i can work on to get better on my own kinda like around the world or horse for basketball?

It's pickup. Just go and have fun. Anything beyond that is tryhard bullshit. Pass the ball when you get it and you don't have an open shot. Shoot the ball when you have an open shot. On defense, put yourself between your man and the goal. On offense, run into open space and make sure there is an open avenue between you and the person with the ball. That is literally it.

The only drills you need are spending time passing a ball with people and kicking a ball at a goal. Pickup is the best opportunity to do both those things.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

Breath Ray posted:

Hi chaps, how's this look for a football based conditioning work out?



I'm of the opinion that if you do leg curls, then you should really do leg extensions as well. Working out complimentary muscles groups at the same rate is important, not only for balance but also as a means of preventing injury. I think that's a good workout routine, though.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Nice. drat nice, in fact.

Insanely Sikh posted:

It's why I love 5's so much now, you get to sample all positions and not get bogged down in a single spot you may not even like or enjoy.

Agreed. Short sided games are the best for improving technically and learning the game.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
If it's like your first time playing, then you're probably doing everything wrong. Right off the bat, if you're passing anything in the air over 10 yards and you have accuracy problems, it's better to think about passing simpler. Otherwise, you're just wasting possession.

Some easy steps to learn to kick...
1. Look at the loving ball when you're kicking it.
2. Placement of your plant foot: Without having one solid foot on the ground, your mechanics will be all kinds of hosed up. The ball will usually go in the same direction your plant foot is point if you're keeping it simple.
3. Balancing the rest of your body: Without good balance, you're gonna fall over yourself and it will greatly impair your ability to pass. Open up your hips/shoulders and don't lean back.
4. Connecting with the ball in the right way: Kicking a ball is just like hitting the cue ball in billiards. Hitting it right in the middle and using the biggest part of the stick is going to give you the most control and the most accuracy. It's no different when you're using your foot on a ball. Your instep and the top of your foot have the most surface area and the middle of the ball is still the ideal place to hit. The rest is just basic physics.

Practice kicking a ball a lot. Passing with at least one other person for a bit is like the warm up everyone should do before a game/practice/pickup/whatever. If you're a loner like that fat dude from wales, kicking a ball against a wall turned him into Maradona and it can do the same for anyone.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
People always say head over the ball, but that applies to shooting more than passing. Get the rest down and everything else is just momentum and nature.

Opening hips/shoulders is just another way of saying being square with the ball. Have your hips and shoulders facing the same direction, which will hopefully be where the ball is. People have a bad habit of getting all contorted when they're moving and passing simultaneously, so squaring up gets you back into a position where you can let your technique do its thing.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
I broke my ulna jut below the elbow today playing indoor. Tapped the ball around a guy and he hip-checked me, I went bottom over top and reflexively braced my fall with my left arm. Audible snap and sagging arm. I loving hate that team so much.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Just played in my first game since I broke my arm. It felt so good to play again. Even the hour or so of build up prior to the game was a good feeling.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

Tongues posted:

Anyone have any advice for getting out of a playing rut? Last couple of weeks I've been completely shithouse, can't trap, shoot, pass, anything. Averaging a couple of goals a week beforehand and playing pretty decent otherwise without setting the world alight.

I don't think I've had this happen before, no idea how to play my way out of it

Find some scrubs to play pickup with, some people where it will be a more relaxed environment. You'll play better because these guys hopefully won't take it as seriously and you can just enjoy a game. This will do wonders for your confidence.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Even the most competitive of amateur and semi-pro leagues play on poo poo grass fields where you can see mud pits and hills. I would much rather play on turf where I don't have to worry about breaking my ankle just because the other local rec sports teams borrow the fields and carve them up.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011


Happened August 28th. When it broke, it didn't hurt. I was certainly in shock and pissed off more than anything. The swelling for the next week was worse. My experience with sports injuries has always been pretty close to that. The adrenaline of the situation and the shock just completely blanked the immediate pain of whatever injuries I was suffering from. The days afterwards were more painful, for sure.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

Tongues posted:

gently caress me dead that's a proper break. What happened there? Someone connect on a follow through from a goal line clearance?

Pretty heated indoor game between the two top teams in the league. I was in possession and I tried to dribble around someone by tapping it one way and running around the other side. As soon as he's seeing me go the other way, he hip checks me and sends me flying. I went rear end over head and tried to brace my fall. Fully planted my palm on the ground, but momentum kept carrying my body. The torsion and force of my twisting body snapped my ulna and dislocated my radius. The surgeon told me he sees a break like that happen once every ten years.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Nothing at first, it wasn't until two of my teammates came close to blows with him before he came over and apologized. Our teams really didn't like each other.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Between now and your next game, play pickup or something where you know it's all about having fun. It's hard to separate yourself from the rough parts of games when all you're doing is playing competitively and the stakes are high. I just played an indoor game last night where we got thrashed and I missed 3 decent chances to score goals. Immediately afterwards I hung out with some people and we did a nutmeg challenge in the center of the pitch. It was fun as hell and it was nice to do something just for shits and giggles.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
I don't know about videos. I'm sure you could find something on youtube, but it's a crapshoot between some nerd over at that zonal marking blog overanalyzing Dani Alves' impact on the modern offensive fullback or a couple random chumps drumming up business for their elite soccer academy.

Basic defending is really straight forward:
You stay close to a player in your area. Close is a relative term. It's a distance where you know you can reach that person should they receive the ball and where you can recover and track them if they make a run. If you have more than one player in your area, you need to communicate with your midfielders/centerbacks/fullbacks to cover those players.
When your team doesn't have the ball, you stand ball-side, goal-side. This means if the ball is on the right side of the field, you are on the right side of the player you are defending and you are between that player and the goal.
When the other fullback goes forward, you stay back.
When the player is in front of you and has the ball, you don't dive in or try to nick the ball. You stand them up and force them to make a move. If you're behind them, do whatever you can to dispossess them or slow them down.

Everything else with regard to defending is just stuff you pick up over time. It's reading a player, knowing where their teammates are, and anticipating what that player wants to do with the ball based off of that. Other than that, the best tip I can give is to be aware of the space you create between yourself and your next closest team mates when you press someone. Based on where on the field you're pressing, is it really worth it? Are you giving the other team an avenue to play through?

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
I've never had a problem with blades on turf. I wore studs once and hated how they felt on the bottom of my feet.

I bought the mid-range Umbro Medusas. I like them a lot, but haven't played with them for very long, so no clue on durability. My Reebok SpringFits lasted nine years. I loving loved those things.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

Huskalator posted:

Anyone ever tried to get good at free kicks? This is a skill that I hardly ever see people get good at but seems like it would be pretty useful.

I'm half-decent. I can put stuff in the far corner reliably and I'm ok but not great at putting something over a wall. Save/Sky or goal really depends on how lucky I get when I strike it. I learned that plant leg/foot positioning is incredibly important. It dictates how your swing leg will come through, where you're going to strike the ball, and the toes of your plant foot are generally a good indicator of where the ball is going to end up. Depending on how you swing your leg, some people like to say plant close to the ball, some people like to say a little bit of space. It's good to experiment and find what distance works.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
In general, the idea behind defense is that you want to push people out wide because that forces them to do two things. Go further away from the goal and go further away from the majority of their team mates. That translates to less scoring and passing opportunities. Letting people get to the byline and cross or cut in or pick a pass into the box is bad defending, though, so I'd say if you're producing things from it then you should just keep taking whatever he gives and let the opposing fullback keep making the same mistakes.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011

Waroduce posted:

Like should i be between the winger and the goal or keep him inside of me?

Always be between your mark and the goal. Never let anyone inside of you. As a wingback, your job is to push people outside.

quote:

If the midfielder is carrying the ball down and the winger is threatening to run past me, no one is anywhere to put pressure on the ba carrier what do i do?

Short answer is don’t step up if they aren’t threatening goal, it’s better to maintain shape. Long answer is that your centerback needs to be communicating so that you can maintain shape.

The person stepping up on someone in possession should always be the closest defender. But you don’t always have to step up to someone if they don’t pose a real threat. If you close down too early, then you are basically giving the winger a free run at goal. But if we’re talking right outside the box, someone has to close the midfielder down and, if you’re closest, then that’s you. So it’s good to maintain shape, let them take space until they become a threat to goal, then someone should close them down to force them to make a decision. Hopefully there’s always a center back next to you in these situations (if not, you’re hosed). If these guys are as good as you say they are, the centerback should be communicating what they see on the field and directing a little bit. Organizing the defense is one of the most important jobs of being a center back.

Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
The reason everyone overlaps, from pros to shitbirds, is because it works. There’s no way you can force the pass and mark the runner if they both know what they’re doing. As my Aussie posting pal said, just stand up the man and force them to do something.


pangstrom posted:

Only thing I'd add is it's your job to talk, too. It's a lot easier for you to see the whole field than it is for the center backs

I don’t know if I can agree with all of this, my man. CBs are literally last line of defense. They should see the entire field much better than a wing back and that is why their job is to organize everyone else in defense. I would agree that talking is a two way street though. When I play wingback, I’m usually calling out offensive players running across the back line from my side, picking up a mark to free up the CB, or occasionally calling out last defender for offside trap purposes. But I let the CBs run the show.

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Vinestalk
Jul 2, 2011
Crossing sucks for everyone regardless of skill level. If you watch the pros, most of the time they are crossing to literally no one in the box or it’s pretty poorly placed. But a lot of that has to do with what is asked of people crossing the ball at that level of play. Running near full pace, putting enough power so the header can get past the keeper, putting enough curve to make sure the keeper doesn’t pick it out of mid air, and putting it between the 6 yard box and the penalty spot... not loving easy.

When it’s not at that level, it’s a little easier but not by much. Curve is something you don’t have to worry about as much, cause keeper positioning is exponentially better the more competitive you get. Power is slightly less demanding too, but it’s always worth remembering that wimpy cross = wimpy header, and floated crosses are more likely to be picked out by defenders since there are more of them in the box. Pace is really all about generating space for yourself, so any way you can beat your man will be infinitely easier than trying to lash it in at full sprint. No matter what, though, picking your spot to aim for is always constant. You just gotta know where your fellow attacking players want it. Some like to run near post, some like it far, midfielders usually want you to cut back and just put it on their feet at the top of the box, but you can never really go wrong with something between the 6 yard box and penalty spot.

The only real way to practice is by running the sideline and just putting balls into the box for someone waiting. Faking a cross and cutting it back on the other foot to cross is good practice, too.

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