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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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You may not get or care about the references, but when an author feels the need to explain that "Things were finally looking up." "is a fairly obvious equivalent of those devastating words "what could possibly go wrong?"" then I'm not sure I want to read any more of the guy's writing.

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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Which was the one where a battle was interrupted by a lengthy digression on some advanced new technology which would have saved the day except it was so new none of the ships had it and it was completely irrelevant? That was possibly peak Weber, unless peak Weber was one of the ones where they fired hundreds of missiles in a single broadside, or upgraded their ships to be able to launch more missiles in a broadside, or had a new type of missile.

Don't read Weber.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Read very little Weber. Unless you like him, I guess, then go wild. Wild for missiles, thousands of missiles, spewing from the broadside of a giant dildo-shaped dreadnought accelerating at hundreds of Gs, the impenetrable sidewalls of its impeller wedge leaving only the tips exposed to the bomb-pumped laser missiles of the enemy's broadside as they scream past. Missiles. Podnaughts full of missile launcher pods to increase the size of their broadside. Super long-ranged missiles. Missiles that fire missiles. Oversized fighters firing more missiles. Psychic cats.

Or the bits focusing on the competent characters on the other side, when they show up, they can be entertaining. Still not worth it though.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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I'm pretty sure that book was mostly Kratman with Ringo's name slapped on. Kratman's more of a straight-up nazi (now published by Neanderthal-supremacist Theodore Beale, aka Vox Day!) while Ringo is terrifying for entirely different reasons and a much nicer person by comparison. That is really not a compliment to Ringo.

~now playing: crüxshadows - winterborn~

Baen is a weird company. They publish some decent authors and books, not just crazed far-right milsf, but their company brand is the crazy stuff.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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I mean, Ringo will write about how his protagonist (him) is all pent-up due to fighting and needs to rape something, so he goes and gets a literal child prostitute and rapes her (that he does so roughly and painfully is mentioned) and then buys her to give her a better, free life (but still has to rape her first) and then goes to a political thing and meets a military guy who likes cruxshadows and dresses gothy on occasion and then the terrorists are going to nuke them so he has to save the day,

But he's nowhere near as creepy a fucker as SS-tank-ai-orgasms-by-killing Kratman.

90s Cringe Rock fucked around with this message at 19:37 on Jun 17, 2015

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Watch on the Rhine is Ringo holding him back. I wouldn't have believed that, but then I read Muslims doing space-9/11 on space skyscrapers with space blimps, and a random Muslim in the towers who wasn't even involved cackling evilly as the airship draws closer and the flames rage higher.

Check your Barn authors carefully. I mean, they publish Bujold. They publish Eric "Socialist Workers Party" Flint, Mercedes Lackey... and Newt Gingrich.

90s Cringe Rock fucked around with this message at 19:44 on Jun 17, 2015

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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No, Wright was a crazy Randian, he just used to keep it somewhat contained and be slightly self-deprecating. He converted to Jesus Extreme and now he rants about Korrasami.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Spazzle posted:

The funny thing about the golden age is that it is entirely run by captains of industry who get their wealth from perpetual patents to technology given to them by bored AI. The place is a literal unending dystopian nightmare presented as a utopia.
I liked the bit where the guy was in orbit when everyone decided to exercise their right to refuse to do business with him and kicked him off their space-land for trespassing. Fortunately the last tiny remnants of oppressive government regulation holding back the free market meant he was allowed to walk down the emergency stairs.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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I'm getting close to the end of Seveneves and this really should have been two books. The later parts feel far more superficially handled than they should be, yet Stephenson's descended into "As you know," to the point of parody, or possibly Weber.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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The Princess Bride approach would improve a lot of books.

I'm thinking start with Stephenson.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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mcustic posted:

That happens in book three. The last book is supposed to be the big reveal, and, allegedly, somehow it manages to be even more stupid.
I don't remember what it was, but drat, that series started out great and went off a cliff.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Baloogan posted:

Also has anyone ever thought about milsf milfs?
Old Man's War starts with a bunch of OAPs being given new, young bodies and basically loving for days while they get their new hormones sorted out. They're also green?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Washout posted:

seemed like some sort of crazy racist perspective
Please read the sequel with Tom Kratman, then tell us what you think about the originals. :allears:

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Animal posted:

I'm almost done with all the Culture novels, only have Matter left. Whats next in space opera?
The Dragon Never Sleeps by Glen Cook
The Demon Princes series by Jack Vance
Neal Asher's stuff, if you want a Culture knock-off.
Watch on the Rhine, as discussed above, but only if you commit and post impressions.

What did you like about the Culture that you'd like to read more of?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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ToxicFrog posted:

My biggest problem with TDNS is that it jumps all over the place in both time and space and you practically need to keep a notebook of all the different people, planets and governments so that you can orient yourself after each jump.

I did enjoy it, but it's not an easy read.
Some games you play with pencils, a pad of graph paper, and a spreadsheet. Some books you read with a notepad, noticeboards and bits of red string.

And a spreadsheet.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Pre-paedo days, though? That's not Our Piers.

So the impression I'm getting from this thread is that Sector General is unironic Garth Marenghi's Doctor Rick Dagless MD In Space?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Washout posted:

This is just a sign of bad editing. Every drat time some author starts to be popular the original publisher loses editorial control and usually the books get worse.

I always thought the big selling point of Safehold was "We got Weber a real editor to cut out the bloat this time!" :psyduck: At least for the first book.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Hard SF is *waves hands* more realistic and *gestures wildly* has actual physics and *coughs* well ok it might have psychics if it's old enough.

Sometimes you get equations and graphs actually printed in the book, and supplementary websites with JavaScript visualisation tools and more equations, and also a book about feminist struggles among shoggoths turning a mountain into a spaceship to save their word. Greg Egan. He likes his equations.

Some people will tell you definitions are simple and that all works are clearly either Hard or Soft SF. Others will tell you there's a spectrum. They're all wrong, it's a label that is occasionally useful and often confusing and the cause of many arguments.

Charles Stross wrote a Hard SF novel where Bitcoin is actually useful, so it's not all about the extreme realism. That's Mundane SF!

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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He then wrote a better version without the FTL (except as a component in scams) and with interstellar piracy. The only downside is that everyone is a robot and the first book is set a long time before the good standalone sequel and is about a sexbot.

Neptune's Brood is good.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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WarLocke posted:

Which series was that? Glancing at his wikipedia page, the only thing of his I've read is Accelerando, which from what I remember probably qualifies as 'hard' SF, but not a space opera.
Singularity Sky, Iron Sunrise. He has some posts on his blog about it and how it's broken, if you feel like thinking too hard about FTL signalling and light cones.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Captain Monkey posted:

The whole book is the story of like 24 hours, though.


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Vast. Timescales.

How was the sequel? I never read it, despite hearing it was set moments after the first book.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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pseudorandom name posted:

There's typically no Lovecraft-in-space because there's nothing that can protect you from that which lives between the stars.
No-one can hear you scream. That's why it's vital to record audio and video logs, write reports, and scratch your final words into the walls or write them with your entrails. ("What I don't understand is why he went to the trouble of using his kidney as a full stop." "I don't think he meant to do that. It probably just plopped out.")

Peter Watts' Blindsight and Echopraxia count. Charlie Stross has a story the name of which I can't remember, involving an ekranoplan.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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WarLocke posted:

John Ringo's Legacy of the Aldenata books are basically a story of what happens when a bunch of pacifistic aliens try to enlist humanity as a firebreak against a huge Zerg-like horde of rapacious other aliens. This one is much more action-ey, featuring hoo-ah marines in power armor versus hordes of aliens and other such silly and awesome type stuff. Be warned that Ringo is kind of an 'iffy' writer, he tends to insert some awkward pandering and borderline-offensive stuff (though this series isn't his worst; just do not read the Paladin of Shadows/Ghost books).
:siren: Do not read Watch on the Rhine, :siren: a novel in this series by John Ringo and Tom Kratman.

90s Cringe Rock fucked around with this message at 23:17 on Jan 22, 2016

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Khizan posted:

These books are basically Aubrey and Maturin in spaaaaaaaaaace, if that's your kind of thing.
"Leary, you have debauched my treecat!"

e: gently caress that's weber

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Q-ships full of missiles. Q-ships that are missiles, in disguise, a whole broadside's worth just flying along in formation with a convoy.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Just don't read more than one at a time, or the couple of bits he repeats in every book will drive you mad.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Cythereal posted:

I did wince at the completely pointless GRRRRRL POWA scene in the last book, but Nimue and Merlin storming a prison galleon with Safehold's first shotguns was fun.
I've read Weber before, and know what I'd be getting into, but I can't deny that this is tempting me to read this series.

Edit: Christ, I thought it was up to 5, maybe 6 books. I'll just google "Merlin Nimue shotguns fanfiction" and read that.

90s Cringe Rock fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Feb 18, 2016

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Kesper North posted:

After reading the John Ringo thread in TFR, I've started writing a pinko liberal milSF novel as a sort of self-administered unicorn chaser. I just can't handle the sheer :911: -ness any longer.
Please publish this, as I am excited to read the adventures of Star Carrier FULL COMMUNISM NOW I MEAN IF EVERYONE IS OK WITH THAT WE CAN JUST GO FOR SOCIALISM IF YOU LIKE.

But less depressing than the Culture's more military episodes.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Pash posted:

Call the president Drumpf then.
President Trump sighed as his long, strong fingers drew his katana.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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...David Drake? He's clearly not jerking off about guns, genociding aliens, and making space great again.

He's a vet, and published by Baen, but you really can't hold that against him.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Ninefox Gambit by Yoon Ha Lee is excellent military space opera and you should all read it.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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WarLocke posted:

... this is a thing? :psyduck:

"litrpg"

is a term you should not google.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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There was also a Laundry short story where they get trapped in a Neverwinter Nights server.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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He's always been a pioneer of young genres.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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It's a pretty good series, not that I've read it in a while. Apparently the new book's with the publisher, getting ready for release.

I do want to see where he's going with the war, and also more of the gay russian space marine.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Washout posted:

Cranking out literary garbage while on week long speed benders is a kind of life but not one I'm sure I'd like to live.
Weber and Dick have something in common?

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Internet Wizard posted:

If Taken was about revenge and not protection, why did he stop as soon as he got his daughter back, instead of taking apart more of the organization?

Liam Neeson's really more genderfluid than strictly binary female.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Revenger is good, and not YA except for the protagonist's age. Well, maybe a tiny bit near the start. But it's good.

Not your usual Reynolds, but I love the setting.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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Will you settle for space marines farting on each other? I mean, it's no sexy teenager, but it's pretty funny.

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90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
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40K adapted Anabasis.

Well, it used The Warriors as an inspiration for Necromunda.

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