Zeroisanumber posted:

Ultimately, the US would've broken away from England by the 1830's at the latest. The US was just too big with too many people, once we were able to build more than a vestigial industrial base, England would've had to give up on us.

seiferguy posted:

To address the original argument of "x item is a murder weapon, better ban them" there's always this:

KillerJunglist posted:

So buy a motorcycle! *Moves comment to Cycle Asylum*


Got this one on my stupid facebook feed from a former classmate of mine:


I honestly couldn't figure out what it was trying to say so I responded with "Bush and Reagan simply postured while Obama does real work? I don't get it."

He hasn't responded yet and it's been over a week.

myron cope posted:

It's through their vigilance (and the vigilance of groups like theirs) that Obama won't get a third term. Know that.

ponzicar posted:

To be fair, I remember there were a few idiots who were scared Bush would do the same thing.

ohgodwhat posted:

What, is Morgellon's not a real disease? I'm really confused.

Brawnfire posted:

Not a massive nest of crazy, but I got a kick out of this one.

ProperGanderPusher posted:

The common conservative response to that is "Well, if social democracy in Scandinavia is so successful, why is in the process of being done away with? Surely the voters would put a stop to it if it really worked that well."

VitalSigns posted:

Thanks.

And no, I fully don't expect it to change anything. He thinks back alley abortions are myths and exaggerations, and that less than a dozen women have been injured or killed because of them. Ever. (Bizarrely, he also considers SB2 to have been fully justified to stop back-alley abortionists like Goznell )

Hopefully I'll have the good sense to keep quiet but...uggghhh...so...difficult.

V-Men posted:

The other thing they believe is that sex is only for procreation and that if you enjoy it, that's okay too, but if you aren't making babies then don't do it. I've had similar arguments over marriage between homosexuals. "They can't procreate, so why let them get married?"

CitizenKain posted:

So hard hitting journalism site Ebaumsworld has this breaking news:
WikiLeaks: Obama Secretly Planning On Sale Of Citizen's Rights
Obama is working on a deal called the TPP, which would sacrifice national sovereignty, public health and Internet Freedom all in the name of keeping private corporations happy.
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/83666961/

What is weird is a Republican complaining about corporations running the government, which as I know is kinda their goal?

VitalSigns posted:

If I can find an article critical of Obama by a black journalist, then he becomes "my black friend" and I can hate Obama for any racist reason I want. If that black journalist actually uses racist terms either because he actually is racist, or even if he's just classist and is therefore indifferent to the poverty of black people then that's even better because I can now be at least as racist as he is and hide behind his skin color when called out.

RagnarokAngel posted:

For a 16 year old the fact that their teacher disagrees with them only reinforces that they must be right.

SpamPudding posted:

So this popped up in my news feed today...

CarterUSM posted:

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that whatever math geniuses come out of America do so in spite of math education here, rather than because of it.

FuzzySkinner posted:

I was at a thanksgiving dinner with my father, his fiance, her kids, and her parents.

Apparently according to both my father, and her father they both believed/agreed with the following:

-That the ACA asks for whom you vote for (to potentially deny care to you).
-That it allows EVERYONE access to your information (including janitors at the hospital)
-That all doctors in their 50's are close to retiring due to ACA.

How false is all of this stuff? I'm kind of amazed at how misinformed people are.

Sir Rolo posted:

Pththya-lyi posted:

I should probably still read it, since Mom and Dad paid for my schooling and allowed me to graduate debt-free. But I really don't want to

VitalSigns posted:

Oh drat, and the bigots were just about give everyone equal rights and stop demonizing gay people, blaming us for hurricanes, and calling us pedophiles too, and then Dan Savage got on the radio and ruined it all. Thanks a lot, Dan Savage!

Tatum Girlparts posted:

He's improved a decent bit actually.

VitalSigns posted:

He actually said that?! Holy Christ, I mean it's good he apologized for it but goddamn. I wonder how he'd react to advice that "It's selfish to be out of the closet or live with your same-sex partner while your kid is in high school...I mean, what if he gets teased? It would be your fault, because you just couldn't cater to the worst bigots in society and stay in the closet for 18 years".

quote:

In 1999, Dan printed this response after being challenged about his biphobia:

“Sorry, but avoiding bi guys is a good rule of thumb for gay men looking
for long-term relationships. Outside of San Francisco’s
alternate-universe bisexual community, there aren’t many bi guys who
want or wind up in long-term, same-sex relationships — monogamous or
not.”

...

In the 2008 documentary, Bi the Way, Dan
said “I meet someone who’s 19-years-old who tells me he’s bisexual and
I’m like, ‘Yeah, right, I doubt it. I tell them come back when you’re
like 29 and we’ll see.’”

MisterBadIdea posted:

Savage has been embarrassingly slow to come around to a lot of things, but I assure you guys Savage in 1999 is a lot different from Savage nowadays. I'm certainly not denying that Savage has said some pretty stupid-rear end things about bisexuality, transexuality, and other things, but I don't know, come on. I can't be the only one to find this wholesale trashing of advocates for being not completely perfect pretty drat tedious.

quote:

But people get to make their own choices, and lots of bisexuals choose not to be out. While I'm willing to recognize that the reluctance of many bisexuals to be out may be a reaction to the hostility they face from non-bisexuals, gay and straight, bisexuals need to recognize that their being closeted is a huge contributing factor to the hostility they face.

Bisexual activists like to complain that they're the most oppressed because (1) it's a contest, and (2) it's a good excuse. If they can argue—and unfortunately, they can—that lots of gay people are mean to them (some gay people don't want to date them, some gay people doubt they exist) and straight people are mean to them (some straight people don't want to date them, some straight people doubt they exist), then bisexual people aren't to blame for the bisexual closet. Everyone else is.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

The point of that is that oppression olympics is a dumb thing and that if you're in the closet because you think the evil gays will make fun of you chances are you're in the closet for other reasons. Like, it is a thing in places where bi 'activists' spend more time spreading the whole 'the gays hate us' thing like we're the loving klan against bi people than actual, ya know, activism. He's saying if you're in the closet because you ASSUME people in the LGBT community will be 'hostile and cruel' that's on you.

But anyway yea that image saying he's just like the guy who literally was a factor in Uganda's kill gays bill was totes valid because he said a thing ten years ago.

MisterBadIdea posted:

Not sure where you're getting that from.

KillerJunglist posted:

God drat but I had to read this like four times before I could figure out what it was trying to say. "These sons or daughters of bitches" is a very strange turn of phrase. "Don't waste a bullet, send them straight to Hell" is also super confusing. I guess it means "shoot to kill (not to harm)"? Or was it supposed to be "Don't [worry about] waste[ing] a bullet"?

Ow, my head

Afraid of Audio posted:

hahaha Is there any context behind that?

Interlude posted:

Guns are a loving culture war issue for the left, and a losing one at that. I know it's fun as poo poo to punish right wingers and everything they like, but this particular issue irks the hell out of me because it's a god damned distraction. This country is so irreparably hosed on innumerable social and economic levels; the idea that what's supposed to be our greater minds are wasting time on low-value issues like gun control instead of pushing for equality means, to me, that it's just a matter of spite.

poo poo, imagine if Dianne Feinstein spent her 'OMG assault weapons' time and cred on advancing gay or disabled rights?

And don't loving bore me with "WE CAN DO BOTH". No, you can't. In the comfort of internet forums, perhaps, but in not in reality. We can't, as a country, even confirm a loving presidential appointee.

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

Why is it always a one world currency? Literally no one (except buttcoiners I guess) actually want a single worldwide currency. Besides not actually giving you any special power it also just a terrible idea. Look at the Euro and that's only 18 countries and change.

quote:

Born in 1835 (he came of a Southern family, a family just rich enough to own one or perhaps two slaves), he had had his youth and early manhood in the golden age of America, the period when the great plains were opened up, when wealth and opportunity seemed limitless, and human beings felt free, indeed were free, as they had never been before and may not be again for centuries.

Spangly A posted:

Well if we're talking about getting rid of the English I assume it was them making that explicit reference, yes.

Fulchrum posted:

The right wing meme of "Obama is Urkel" is one that conservatives use a lot, because ur-fascism requires that the enemy also be seen as stupid, foolish and nonthreatening, and Urkel remains the least threatening black person any Republican can think of.

The Sean posted:

Please believe that I am giving an honest shot at reaching out to you here. The post that you were responding to was about killing someone over a television. You brought in the gay rape and murder part. Not only that, but the discussion that you were responding to was about people killing others that were no physical threat to them at all. No bullshit, I'm touching the poop here in an attempt to help you: that's a really big and really weird jump that you made there...

That is why you have a reputation of being crazy regarding guns. That huge leap is crazy. Seriously.

LeJackal posted:

A combination of cost, effectiveness, and ease of use.

ErichZahn posted:

I was unaware that effective tasers were available for under 20$.