Kro-Bar posted:Here's these guys. I'm blue, my actual facebook friend is in red, RonPaulLuvr420 is in pink. I took a quick look at his YouTube channel but I can't stomach actually watching any of his videos. I did notice that his swords are visible in the background of at least two of them. It's insulting because "collectivism" generally is understood to mean "communism" in American discourse, but hardcore libertarians like your friend simply reject any idea of group effort- for them all men are islands. I would just quote John Donne in that sort of situation, but if you want a serious response, you could reply that most Native Americans in the USA lived in the very definition of a collective society- decisionmaking was based on consensus, land was carefully shared out between families, and so therefore either "collectivism" doesn't mean what he thinks it means, or he's simply wrong. He won't believe you, of course, but don't sweat it too much.
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XyloJW posted:
I'd reframe it in terms of groups. Guys A-C are going to go to the movies together. A and B don't have a lot of cash right now. Should guy C make up the difference so everybody can see the movie, or should he say "gently caress you, I'm seeing the movie by myself, later?" Or, for a more nuanced analogy, guys A-C want to build a model railroad to show off. It will cost $500. Guy A knows carpentry and electricity but only has 100 bucks to devote, guy B knows design and has the railroad parts but also only has 100 bucks to devote. Should guy C pay the 300 bucks needed to make the railroad, or should he storm angrily off so that the railroad falls through? These still don't really convey the whole thing, but they're of similar kinds.
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SavageBastard posted:Mind blown. Goes to show how well read I am on socialism. A lot of more recent right-wing theory is built on a sort of inverted socialism- where Marx and Lenin would have used "He who does not work does not eat" to condemn the capitalist class, nowadays it is invoked to condemn the working poor, or the working class in general. I suspect that this isn't attributable to Objectivism so much as to the wholehearted modeling of the right wing after the New Left during the 70s and 80s. Still funny when verbatim quotes get recycled though.
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Crain posted:In the end none of this is going to change (speaking in regards to GamerGate/Feminist Frequency) until the internet, by which I mean 15-30 year old white male "nerds", get's over it's obscene attachment to offense as the highest paragon of humor. The thing I'm noticing is that society in general is becoming less and less accepting of the idea of "punching down" and thus there are fewer and fewer targets for offensive humor. So these poor bastards who were raised on South Park and learned that insulting literally anyone and everyone is the best way to be funny (and that also means you can't get in trouble because offending everyone is ok) are finding out that, actually, there are some limits when it comes to social discourse. So while you can still say anything you want, there are fewer places where you won't get poo poo for it. "Punching down/up" is a stupid idea, that subordinates everything into political struggle, and falls apart once we get outside simple comparisons. Effectronica fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jan 27, 2015 |
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Jan 27, 2015 19:28
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Crain posted:Wait, what? The idea that the purpose of satire and irony is solely to attack the powerful in society, which is what is meant by that phrase, is a) pointlessly constraining and b) falls apart when you look outside of the narrow realm of politics. After all, where do academic satires, or Catskills comedy routines, fit into this vision? Even with all that, framing it in those terms still presents the whole of life as lived for politics, when a large part of liberating movements like feminism and antiracism is to allow people to have the luxury of disassociating the personal from the political.
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Jan 27, 2015 19:54
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Popular Thug Drink posted:i'm just curious if your argument to dismiss these opinions is "you're just anglos who don't understand the cultural context" what you would say if i presented the same argument but coming from a guy who worked at charlie hebdo and knows many of the slain personally in a professional context. like how much more of an expert opinion could you get Charlie Hebdo were no angels.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:05
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Popular Thug Drink posted:it's not about winning broham like i said i wanted to see if you would continue to dismiss opinions you don't like on superficial grounds and sure enough, What's the opinion, exactly? Because "CH did not deserve to die but they were some kind of racists" is not what I would consider anything other than superficial.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:08
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Popular Thug Drink posted:is this one of those things where i need to assert that i believe murder is bad before we start talking about the other thing No, Popular Thug Drink, I was not inviting a big conversation to kill this thread stone dead, I was suggesting that the typical opinion expressed is so superficial fart noises would be a meaningful response to it.
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Jan 27, 2015 20:13
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Popular Thug Drink posted:if steven colbert couldn't stop himself from 'satirizing' islam like bill maher does it's fair to suspect one of being islamophobic Maher is probably Islamophobic, yes, and I'm sure that you have a more nuanced view on the issue, but that's not what I meant, nor is your second sentence what I desired, nor am I intending to encourage you to put on your best paralegal cosplay. I'd like to apologize for the lack of clarity.
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Jan 27, 2015 23:53
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DeusExMachinima posted:Killing in defense of yourself or others is totally acceptable actually. Making it a completely unfair fight in your favor, like using a gun on someone coming at you with a tire iron or whatever, is also 100% A-OK. HTH & cry powerlessly about it some more. You're either talking out of your rear end, or suffering from an extreme case of antisocial personality disorder.
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Poizen Jam posted:I have yet to see a single verifiable source for the claim that a majority of the refugees are young men. Where are they getting this claim from? It's a deliberate piece of propaganda, so it was created by right-wing intellectuals and media personalities and deliberately pushed by them.
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