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Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


savetheclocktower posted:

With you so far.


I, uh... OK, that's arguable.


Stop. You've gone too far.

(This e-mail was probably written by an LSU graduate.)

University of Louisiana as a gem of your national education system? I just spent two years working there, and drat, that's just incredible.

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Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


JohnClark posted:

I saw this one the other day, and aside from the general stupidity of it, the one that jumped out at me was the "57 states of Islam". What does that even mean? And how can they include the suggestion the he's a cryptomuslim while simulatenously critizing his attendance of a christian church?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBSSLHc0Krk

dun dun dun!

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004



there are, in fact, 57 member states of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference. Muslim president.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Caustic posted:

Remember, many democrats want American troops killed and Barbara Boxer how dare you want to be called Senator!!!!! Long fly Alaska!!!!!

And Carly Fiorina has used this in her campaign against Boxer. I can't even imagine the mindset required to get mad about this.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Arguing on facebook is a swell idea. This is a total stranger replying to one post I made.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


I don't remember how that debate ended up going (it was around the height of the hysteria last year, shortly before Obama destroyed America with health care reform) but I'm pretty confident that nothing I could have said would have shut her up. I wasn't even defending the health care bill in the first place - I was obviously just a convenient proxy because it's hard to yell at the president directly.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


21stCentury posted:

Wouldn't it be a lot more efficient to have the presidential elections work independently of state elections? I would assume the rural states would have a lot more luck getting a say with a statesman than by helping one president over the other...

Then again, I guess this is really all about ways to make it easier for presidential candidates to get votes rather than to have "fairer" elections.

Sure, it'd make a lot more sense. But America's fundamental law (the constitution) is all but impossible to change. I find it a little bizarre that the basic mechanics of government are fixed in place by an experimental 18th century constitution, but I don't see what you can do about it.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Plank Walker posted:

Edit: beaten, and yeah trying to get any amendment passed in the current climate of constitutional fetishism would be hilariously futile

No kidding. That was my point.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Lamuella posted:

If you don't want to forward this for fear of offending someone,


Then YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

Number one way public policy is formulated: Forwarded chain emails!

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Lord Hawking posted:

Funny you should mention that. This is a link shared by my cousin's wife through Facebook.

http://pop.org/

So don't worry about climate change or any poo poo like that; the planet not only has room and resources for more people, it literally NEEDS more! Get procreating!

The main image is about the death toll of malaria with an image of a young black child. Clicking it takes you to a petition about abortion. It took me quite a while to decide this wasn't an error.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


I've been on a self-hating kick lately, so I've been reading a lot about Conservapedia. Greatest hits include the project to rewrite the Bible in accordance with conservative morals, the hilarious exchange with Lenski over whether evolutionary biology is science, and of course denial of relativity. (As far as anyone can tell, this is all totally serious, at least for the founder Andrew Schlafly.) But my favorite has to be "Best New Conservative Words".

Basically, Schlafly argues that "conservative insights increase over time at a geometric rate, as in 1-2-4-8-16-etc." As evidence, he cites the emergence of "conservative words". gently caress it, I'll just let the intro speak for itself:

Achlafly posted:

Each year the English language develops about a thousand new words. The King James Version of the Bible contains only about 8,000 different words;[1] many good words have since developed.

Conservative terms, expressing conservative insights, originate at a faster rate, and with much higher quality, than liberal terms. Conservative triumph over liberalism is thus inevitable.

Powerful, insightful new conservative terms have grown at a geometric rate, roughly doubling every century. For each insightful new conservative term originating in the 1600s,[2] there are two new terms originating in the 1700s, four new terms in the 1800s, and eight new terms in the 1900s, for a pattern of "1-2-4-8". This implies a more conservative future and a correlation between conservatism and truth.

These words include incoherent, gambit, correlate, caucus, plasticity, terrorism, tour de force, taxpayer, leadership, local, socialist(!), constant, bedrock, editorialize, worldview, alcoholism, harmless error, skullduggery, ugly duckling, crackpot, deflation ("an increase in the value of savings"), straw man, phony, greasy spoon, vet, mindset, Eagle Scout, balkanize, trivia, gang up, goon, agitprop, shotgun marriage, charisma, life vest, transistor, doublethink, elitism, parenting, back burner, informed consent, muscle car, wannabe, cyberbullying, patent troll, and scientific fascism. (I'm sure that last one is about to catch on.) In the apparently totally serious opinion of Mr. Schlafly, every one of these words is an example of conservative insight, and the list is a complete inventory of every such conservative word coined since 1600. Coincidentally, they happen to show a perfect geometrical growth pattern confirming his theory with no error or noise whatsoever. Some of the content on Conservapedia is probably from deep cover trolls, but this is straight from the founder's mind.

This argument would get you a D- in high school civics. But Schlafly can't be dismissed as an idiot - he graduated from Princeton and Harvard, for instance. What causes people to turn to such an incredible, bizarre relationship to reality?

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


jojoinnit posted:

However, I just looked it up and Mr Schaflys degree from Princeton is in Engineering Physics, which means he has to be reasonably clever. That's not an easy degree, although maybe it says something about his grasp of the material that he never used it and got a law degree instead.

RationalWiki says he was an engineer for a while: "He went to Princeton University (1981), graduating with a B.S.E. cum laude in Electrical Engineering, and worked as a device physicist for Intel, an electrical engineer at the applied physics laboratory of Johns Hopkins University,[9] and finally at Bell Labs.[10]" Perhaps he kept his strange physics views to himself at this time.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Oh my god how do you become an electrical engineer and not "believe" in imaginary numbers, that is so loving awesome

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

I'm still not convinced that at least 3/4 of the contributes on Conservapedia aren't trolls.

It's a source for a lot of the content on there, but I'm pretty sure this one is Aschlafly's baby. I wish there was some drug I could take to gain his amazing worldview, just for a day. (Worldview is an official conservative word, meaning "a comprehensive way of looking at life and the world; sometimes used to criticize a liberal's irrational belief system".)

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Idran posted:

Speaking of...

"Liberals/atheists fail to realize or conveniently ignore that mere appeals to ridicule (which is a logical fallacy) is a poor substitute for evidence and logical thinking."

These people are good at the cognitive dissonance.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


I think Conservapedia has blocked non-US users from even accessing the site. It's really for the better sort of people who have the good sense to live in America.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Dameius posted:

Speaking of Conservapedia, their best article has to be the one on evolution. I'm not really sure what segment is the best one to highlight but if I had to pick it would be everything past and including the section titled: Creation Scientists Tend to Win the Creation-Evolution Debates. Really puts the cognitive dissonance and blatant rewriting of reality to fit their own beliefs on display.

Thing is, "creation scientists" do win the debates. Creationists pack the audience with their own, spew forth dozens and dozens of compelling problems with evolution, and refuse to engage their opponents on a factual level, instead successfully painting evolutionists as arrogant, mean, and dogmatic. If you don't have some science training and critical thinking skills, that's a rhetorical knockout.

See http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/debating-creationists.html.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Aliquid posted:

I hadn't seen this one yet!

There's probably a way here to explain to the sender the importance of white privilege (i.e. the right to be Christian without otherization) but I'm sure I'd never have the tact to do so.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Man, Obama was lucky to escape impeachment or even nuclear war in the aftermath of giving those Region 1 DVDs to Gordon Brown. Worst president ever.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Guys, we need to get REALISTIC about spending reduction. That's why we should ax all these agencies which are all "waste" because I say so, including tiny ones I've never heard of.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


tek79 posted:

I don't have time to read that much crazy, but I'm guessing it's just spinning the gently caress out of some tiny non-issue or outright lying, but maybe someone with a background in law can correct me but wouldn't disobeying direct orders from the Commander-in-Chief be tantamount to treason? As in, punishable by death treason?

Regardless, I can't wait to hear all about this at Mother's Day dinner with my conspiracy theorist in-laws.

Someone in a high position would probably just get forced out, as with MacArthur.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


From The Onion: Planned Parenthood Opens $8 Billion Abortionplex

From The Crazies:

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


If your facebook feed doesn't have enough crazy reactionaries, I heartily recommend the US Constitution's page.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


It's not enough to disagree with Obama or even say he's incompetent - he has to literally hate freedom and want to destroy the country.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


The Russians were all atheists, so I don't know how they made it in to that one.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


quote:

FYI

Guess I won't be drinking Starbucks !!!!!!!

Recently Marines in Iraq wrote to Starbucks because they wanted to let them
know how much they liked their coffees and to request that they send some of
it to the troops there. Starbucks replied, telling the Marines thank you for
their support of their business, but that Starbucks does not support the
war, nor anyone in it, and that they would not send the troops their brand
of coffee.

So as not to offend Starbucks, maybe we should not support them by buying
any of their products! I feel we should get this out in the open. I know
this war might not be very popular with some folks, but that doesn't mean we
don't support the boys on the ground fighting ! street -to-street and
house-to-house.

If you feel the same as I do then pass this along, or you can discard it and
no one will ever know.

Thanks very much for your support... I know you'll all will be there again when I
deploy once more.

Semper Fidelis..
Sgt. Howard C. Wright
1st Force Recon Co
1st Plt PLT

PLEASE DON'T DELETE THIS . ALLOW IT TO BE PASSED TO ALL IN MEMORY OF ALL THE TROOPS WHO HAVE DIED SO THAT WE MAY HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO SUPPORT THEM OR NOT! ! !

Also, don't forget that when the Twin Trade Towers were hit the fire
fighters and rescue workers went to Starbucks because it was close by for
water for the survivors and workers and Starbucks charged them!

JUST A NOTE TO THIS; STARBUCKS HAD STORES ON SEVERAL MILITARY BASES IN THE UNITED STATES. THEY RE NOW BEING REMOVED BECAUSE OF THIS. GO GET 'EM AMERICA . STAND-UP FOR OURSELVES!

The disturbing part is that someone took the time to write a long diatribe about it instead of just spending a minute searching. No wonder Gmail thinks it's spam.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Sarion posted:

Or if the goal of socialism was to force everyone to make the same money. Few, if any, liberals I know would support the idea that everyone should get equal pay.

Don't conflate American liberals with socialists - that's the category error made over and over by right-wingers and it's deeply misleading.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


A flat tax that included capital gains could (in some ways) be more progressive than the current system.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Sarion posted:

Is it a conservative thing? I don't know enough about the treaties, but it seems like any sort of agreement like these gets the whole "the rest of the world can't control us - WAAAAGH!!" treatment from the right, no matter how reasonable and unobtrusive it is. But it might just be a US thing in general.

Partly, but not entirely - I mean the Senate rejected the Kyoto Protocol 95-0. Democrats aren't that big on multilateralism either.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


craigslist posted:

Well said.


We Are All Iranian Prisoners Now

By Craig Andresen on September 22, 2011 at 11:01 am






Having been bombarded, for more than two years, with countless stories of the hikers held prisoner in Iran, and having had quite enough

of Having the political correctness so invasive in our daily lexicon, I have decided that somebody needs to say SOMETHING which is politically

DIRECT about this whole situation. So, here we go. . .An open letter to the "hikers."



Dear. . .'Hikers,'

What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you come by your stupidity genetically or is it a byproduct of your ideology?

Perhaps both.



The Iranians said you were spies but that can't possibly be true. . .you're far to brain dead to be spies.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and take a wild shot at it. . .You're all liberals aren't you?

You went HIKING. Hiking is good. Hiking doesn't leave a carbon footprint regardless of the amount of fossil fuel you burned to

GET to your starting point. You shouldn't be allowed to walk around the block without supervision. You could have gone for a walk

in the park, or hiked on a trail in the mountains -- but NOOOOOOOOO.



YOU MORONS!! You decided to go hiking along the border between Iran and Iraq. What exactly did you THINK was going to happen?

Did you think you were going to meet a bunch of Iraqi or Iranian hippy freaks and exchange wildflowers and maybe share some weed??

You didn't go over there for some noble purpose like building a school or to provide medical services or even to help rebuild a road or a bridge.

You went 'hiking' in a war zone next to a country that hates us.

Seriously. . .what the hell???



You managed to wander from the Iraqi side of the border over to the Iranian side. What? No map? No GPS? No common sense. . .what?

Did the Iranians not know the words to Kum ba yah??



You went to Iranian jail didn't you? All three of you -- but one of you got to go home early because of your delicate constitution, didn't you?

Did you enjoy your two years in Iranian jail? Did you??



The Omanis bailed your sorry butts out of stir -- but had they asked ME, I would have told them to save their money and let you rot. As far as I'm

concerned, the Iranians could have kept you but as it is now. . .WE'RE stuck with you again and, frankly, it's a waste of our effort to watch over you numb nuts.



Oh happy, happy joy, joy. . .you're on your way home.

When you get here, no doubt you'll be treated like celebrities and the media will be knocking at your collective doors. I'm sure you'll either sell your story to

People magazine or, maybe first, you'll grace the pages of Newsweek with a cover stating. . .'We're All Iranian Prisoners Now!'

You'll tell us you were 'well treated,' and you'll thank everybody who arranged for your release.

I wouldn't be surprised if you thanked Ahmadinejad.



Do you three have ANY idea what REALLY happened? ANY IDEA???

You weren't 'arrested' for being 'spies' you were KIDNAPPED for being AMERICANS. You weren't 'released' after a 'court' hearing; you were

PUT ON DISPLAY and RANSOMED. Now, because of YOU, dictators and other criminals around the world KNOW they can kidnap

Americans and get paid to let them go.



YOU slackers have made the world MORE dangerous for Americans. Think about that while you give your interviews and sell your 'story.'

For future reference, here are some things you need to learn. Don't lay on railroad track. Bad things will happen if you do.

Don't play in traffic. Bad things will happen if you do. Don't run with scissors. Bad things will happen if you do.

Don't try to pretend you and grizzly bears are friends. Bad things will happen if you do.

DON'T GO HIKING IN A WAR ZONE NEAR IRANIANS WITH GUNS. BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN IF YOU DO.



One more thing. . .

Never. . .I repeat NEVER. . .seek employment as a hiking guide. Bad things will happen to others if you do."

YOU BASTARDS, TRYING TO TAKE A HIKE THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


I wish I were an illegal alien, so I could get some of those sweet sweet "payments"

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Duncan Doenitz posted:

This one has probably been around for a while, but it's my first time seeing it, and it's probably the most vitriolic public assistance-shaming I've ever seen.


Bonus points: The guy that shared it used to be in the Army!

Government employees reforming from within :rolleyes:

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


stan worship posted:

What's so strange, is it's not even like it matters, ultimately. Yeah, the GOP is the party of Lincoln. It's also the party of Benjamin Harrison, who promised to end Reconstruction in exchange for the House Democrats letting him win the 1876 election when it was too close to call. African Americans in the south were immediately buried under Jim Crow for the next 80-90 years. The Plessy v. Ferguson case was decided by 8 justices, only two of whom were Democratic appointments. Jim Crow laws were upheld 7-1 in that case. If it was only Democrats who were "the real racists", that case should have gone 6-2 for overturning segregation.

The guys coming up with these image macros pointing out that the early KKK voted Democratic, and stuff like that put way too much stock into the actual parties, and gloss over the voting blocs that were really to blame for all the racism in the 19th and early 20th centuries.

I realize that's the point of them doing this - I just dislike the deceptiveness.

I think it's worth pointing out the bottom of the image (obscured in that screenshot) calls for blacks to leave "the Democrat plantation". It's not just bad history, it's bad politics too – or perhaps just another idiotic Thanksgiving dinner talking point?

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


BonoMan posted:

"Science supports his existence!"



Wait. What?

This is at the elite university where a freshman philosophy class is ordered to write "God Is Dead" to pass. I think there might be some fictionalized aspects of this real-life persecution story.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Job Truniht posted:

Wouldn't even a basic difference of means test say that those two normal curves are statistically insignificant?

Not according to the first link from Kahan, which says that there was a small, statistically significant positive correlation between tea partying and science IQ. Kahan points out afterward that "Again, the relationship is trivially small, and can't possibly be contributing in any way to the ferocious conflicts over decision-relevant science that we are experiencing."


AShamefulDisplay posted:

It wasnt even really a scientific study. It looks more to me like the dude was bored, grabbed some data from someone else, and cobbled up a histogram. Nothing wrong with that, but this seems to me to be about playing with numbers than an actual scientific paper.

C'mon, the links are right there. This is a post-hoc analysis by a respected scholar, it's not illegitimate because you say so.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


AShamefulDisplay posted:

I dont think it is illegitimate, I just dont think it is as rigorous as some have been trying to pass it off as. His analysis is incomplete.

Just for the record, I dont think that scientific illiteracy has anything to do with political affiliation. For every creationist, global warming denying tea partier, there is gonna be at least 1 anti nuclear, anti gmo, crystal healing, homeopathic loving liberal out there.

As a grad student trained in the methodology that Kahan's describes in his blog post, I don't see any reason to question the conclusions. I mean, this particular post-hoc analysis is not peer-reviewed but he got the data from his own peer-reviewed publication.

edit: Also what Strudel Man says. While this "proof" of tea party smarts was misreported in a wide range of conservative media, Kahan makes it very clear that it doesn't say what the macro makers think it does.

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Fart Sandwiches posted:

Holy poo poo.








HOLY poo poo




:stare::stare::stare::stare:

With folks like this I usually skip the perfunctory debate over whatever insane thing they're claiming and just compare them to Nazis. But in this case it might not get my feelings across too well!

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Cops are disgusting, and also they have facebook pages



Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


Oh my god, we've elected a politician to office! Noooooooo

Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


blackmet posted:

How, exactly, will he know it's Obamacare?

The insurance card will simply say the name of the insurance company and look like any other insurance card. It's not going to be stamped with huge red letters saying "OBAMACARE."

Meanwhile, the insurance company will continue to pay him the same per procedure as it does for anyone else they insure. If he's unhappy with that reimbursement rate, he needs to work with them to increase that.

Um, didn't you get yours already?

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Vivian Darkbloom
Jul 14, 2004


I left the group already but in the future, if you get an invite to any closed facebook groups for political debate, say HELL NO. Trust me on this one. :(

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