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System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

That's Edinburgh, if I'm not mistaken. Awesome photo, though.

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System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Liface posted:



This is in Freiburg, right? I think I know one of the girls in the picture, do you have it any larger? :) small world, really...

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Zumindest in Bayern und Österreich werden bis auf "sein" und "wollen" alle Verben sprachlich nur im Perfekt gebraucht (kommt natürlich drauf an, wie "hochdeutsch" der Sprecher auftreten will).

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Allia posted:

Though I'd warrant that except for Oktober-Fest, no one (under the age of 50) wears Trachtenkleider anymore.

That's not really true. Lederhosen and Dirndl may no longer be as prevalent as 30 or 40 years ago, but you just have to spend some time in the rural areas of Bavaria and Austria and you'll see plenty of those, especially at local festivals (e.g. Pfarrfeste - the festivals accompanying the feasts of the local patron saint) and on Sundays in the church. Just a couple of days ago there were many of my relatives visiting us, some of them going with their SOs from northern Germay. When we were going to church on Sunday, it was Erntedankfest (the German catholic version of Thanksgiving, I guess?) and the looks on their faces were absolutely priceless when the apprentice boys of the lokal baker came in, all in Lederhosen, and started to give out the traditional Erntedanksemmeln (buns) :v:

But on the other hand, the Trachten seen at Oktoberfest are mostly only worn by teenagers who want to get shitfaced and make out, they've got nothing to do with the traditional dresses which look more like this:

My great-grandmother used to wear this :) But they've pretty much died out by now.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

They may be no longer casual attire (It was really fascinating and also strange when my 44 years old father told me that in his childhood almost every boy wore Lederhosen, because they're just that practical which is of course pretty important when you're living in 1960s rural Bavaria), but my point was that they're still worn for more special events like going to church, and by young people, too.

And yeah, there is no common Tracht, I forgot to mention that. The festive Tracht in my area (which would be Friedberg) looks/ed like this:



Where are you from, if I may ask? I hear that the alpine areas have pretty fancy Trachten, too :)

PS: Does anyone have an explanation for why there is a metric fuckton of Landhausmode shops in Vienna, yet I've never ever seen anyone wearing Tracht around here and even Landhausmode seems to be pretty rare? :iiam:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Bayern4444 vom Youtube-Video oben posted:

hallo leute: ich bin peruaner, aber meine familie ist deutscherin. Ich ein wenig deutsch sprechen. Ich höre a liebstein nür volksmusik, aber folklore von slovenien un argentinien auch. Ich höre schühplattler und klasik musik auch.

Gott, ist das goldig :v:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Pff, real day names go like this:

Mejda - Möreda - Mikda - Pfinzta - Frejda - Samsda - Sunnda :colbert:

A couple of kilometers south of my birthplace, "Aftermejda" is used as well, though. The story goes that the bishop of Augsburg didn't want to use the Germanic "Möreda" (or "Irda" in some regions) because it originally comes from some pagan God (Wikipedia says it was Mars) and so introduced the astonishingly creative "After-Monday", because "After" is, as Default Settings said, an old word for "Nach". In (very, very strong) dialect there exists also the adjective "aftern", meaning both "nachfolgend" (=following) and "minderwertig" (=worthless), with beautiful constructions like "a afterns Manndl" (ein schwachbrüstiges Mannlein, a weak man - pretty pejorative) :v:

Concernig wheelbarrows: Personally I don't have any cool words besides the boring "Schubkarre", but in Austria they use the wonderful "Scheibtruach" (=Schieb-Truhe) :)

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Poultry = "Geflügel", so perhaps "Bitte beachten Sie: Ich bin stark allergisch gegen Geflügel!" (=Please mind: I'm heavily allergic to poultry!) Admittedly it sounds a bit clunky even to my own ears, but it should get the point across.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

I don't think it does; you can see what routes are covered by the Bayern ticket on this map.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

The_Skeeter posted:

I am American looking to attend graduate school abroad for history/philosophy (maybe history of philosophy?). How do the University of Heidelburg and University of Freiburg compare? What's student life like?
I don't know about Heidelberg, but Freiburg is awesome: the University is great for history (ranked as one of the best in Germany regarding that field), the city itself is neither too small nor too big, at least for me; the student life was again great for a 200,000-people city. Obviously it can't compare to larger cities, but for me coming from a semi-rural background it was more than enough. Freiburg real main asset is its location, though: it is nestled between the Rhine Valley and the Black Forest in one of the warmest and sunniest parts of Germany. France is just a couple of km away, as is Switzerland; you can go skiing in the mountains or hiking along the Rhine, no problem. If you like wine the area is especially great, but I've always been more of a beer drinker so I couldn't tell you much about it except that winegrowing obviously plays an important role there. I know that this sounds like a tourist's brochure, but I studied there for three years and really loved it :)

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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And they deliver extremely fast, sometimes on the same day. Thomann is awesome.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

I dunno, I never really liked Munich as a city - it feels more like a random amalgamation of cities and villages that have grown into a vast mass of one-family houses surrounding an uninspired bit of neo-classical 19th century architecture. There are some great beer gardens of course, some top notch museums (go to the Deutsches Museum if you're even a little bit interested in technology in stuff, but expect spendng a lot of time there - it's vast) and some spots around the Isar are genuinely nice. But the city itself? Meh.

Personally, city-wise I prefer other spots in the south. Augsburg is a great city - Germany's second oldest - which always gives me the feeling that the past hasn't been musealised like many other cities have. Children using ancient Roman stone slabs as football goalposts next to the 1,000 year old cathedral is a completely normal sight and nobody will bat an eye. Regensburg has an amazing Altstadt. Passau can be stunningly beautiful as well, especially during summer. Nuremberg has a lot to offer as well. I can't say too much about Stuttgart, but Freiburg is amazing, too - a beautiful little town surrounded by the Black Forest to the east and the Rhine valley to the west. And if you want to feel super Bavarian, there's the world's largest Weißwurst breakfast every Thursday morning in the village of Baindlkirch, near Augsburg :D

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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I use them a lot, especially since there is the possibility to go from Vienna to Augsburg for only 24€ compared to about double that when I'd use the cheapest possibility of train travel (without a Bahncard, though that wouldn't lower it by much). So yeah, their greatest asset is that they can be super cheap. I don't mind it too much, though bus travel is definitely more wearisome that going by train. I don't know why that is, but after say ten hours of travel by bus I feel much more tired, exhausted and in need of a shower than I would have after a train journey. You've got less leg room than in a train, and there's only one toilet obviously, so you better hope that it works or that the next break is just around the corner.

Another great thing about bus travel is that most if not all of them are equipped with free and half-way decent Wi-Fi. The Mein Fernbus buses even have a media server on board from which you can stream a couple of movies. OK, they are mostly pretty poo poo, but it's free! :v: Re: delays: I've never had a bus arriving more than 20 min late, and occasionally even much earlier than predicted - I was going from Vienna to Berlin once with an ETA of 6am and instead arrived at 5.

I've never used a charter bus for more than three hours or so, so I can't really speak about them. I believe that they use the same vehicle models than long-distance bus services, so the difference probably won't be too great.

I'd give it a shot! It's a great alternative to train travel imo, especially when you're short on money :)

e: Beaten hard. But yeah, I forgot about the power plugs (really great when you've only got a poo poo netbook like mine). And seconding that Eurolines are to be avoided, they are much pricier than other competitors, too.

System Metternich fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Oct 20, 2014

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

I've got family in Magdeburg (well, Barleben to be precise) and I don't remember the tap water to be particularly bad? :confused:

Going to Magdeburg main station always was/is fun, though, on account of all the strange types you'll see there. And I also fondly remember this one new years eve when I was younger which included at least one tram carriage being utterly demolished by drunks and reading about it in the "Volksstimme" (lol) afterwards. For some reason this has left a lasting impression on me :v:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

I once found a Bavarian restaurant in Bad Nenndorf near Hanover. Their menu included Matjes and something with Kabeljau :v:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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I unironically love the East. loving Achim Menzel :D

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Yep and yep. I was pleasantly surprised as the cashier lady was about as talkative as the ones of the Bavarian countryside I'm used to, merrily chatting away as the queue grew longer and longer. Weimar doesn't exactly feel like a big city :v:

Fake edit: how do you recognise various Edekas :psyduck:

Fake edit 2:


Came to Weimar to visit my brother, stayed for the graffiti of Goethe loving Schiller in the rear end.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

I have to go from Vienna to Augsburg on Friday and back on Sunday. The long-distance buses are all either fully booked or the prices have been jacked up by at least 100% :suicide:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Happy 25th Mauerfall anniversary, Deutschgoons! :toot:

System Metternich fucked around with this message at 12:34 on Nov 9, 2014

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

orange sky posted:

So, I've been thinking about making a few changes to my life. One of them is living in a ski town. I love the buildings, love the environment, love snowboarding, love the cold. It's basically something that would make me happy. Problem is, most ski towns are expensive as gently caress to live in. Any advice on a good town to live in that has a mountain nearby? I work in IT (consultant for Microsoft products), so I think that's going to be my biggest problem. Is there a German city that might have IT jobs and looks and feels like something like Andorra or Chamonix?

E: I'm Portuguese but I'm also a fast learner.

Munich probably has tons of jobs in that direction and is also only like an hour away from the Alps. It's also goddamn expensive, though. Even more so in pretty much all of Switzerland. Austria has several larger towns liying in the Alps, most notably Salzburg and Innsbruck, maybe look around there? I don't think that the full-on ski resort towns of Germany and Austria like Kufstein, Schladming or Garmisch have too many IT jobs available, though - mostly they are litle towns/villages where you'll find tourism and agriculture and not much inbetween. Maybe hotels need IT consultants on a regular basis, but I don't know the first thing about that.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Crossposting from the Pictures thread in D&D:

Accretionist posted:

Average ages around the world:


drat, we old :corsair:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Duzzy Funlop posted:

That's not a brot.

This is a brot:



At first I thought you went all Catholic on us and posted a picture of a bunch of hosts

...then I realised you apparently just used a picture of some cork trivets instead. Seriously, what is that, some sort of bread-in-a-jar? :psyduck:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

My Lovely Horse posted:

http://www.rbb-online.de/kultur/beitrag/2015/04/Jonny-K-Musical-Gedenken-Premiere.html

:wtc:

If it could have been anyone, I think it's important for every one of us to take precautions, and I'd like to make a binding statement that in the event of my death by random violence I would like to be remembered in a different way than some dance troupe performing my favourite songs from when I was six years old.

You shut your mouth, I want to be remembered by a troupe dancing to the Ducktales Intro :colbert:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Tomorrow the Donauinselfest begins, Vienna's largest festival where you can listen to tons of bands for free!

The most realistic ad I've ever seen:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

There are some nice smaller cities with beautiful centres around there, like Hameln or Minden. Paderborn, Osnabrück and Münster are bigger and also very nice. Bremen and Hamburg are not too far away as well, of course. If you're interested in cars, then there's Wolfsburg with its VW museum, but otherwise the city's deathly boring (or so I've heard). Magdeburg may not be the hellhole anymore it once used to be, but it still doesn't really warrant a drive imo. Friends told me that Kassel as a city has absolutely nothing to offer, but that the countryside surrounding it is indeed very beautiful.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

No idea how it is represented in the States, but in my impression it's like this: When you look at the statistics of the last couple of years, there was a clear trend visible: the overall number of people with (openly) right-wing extremist leanings was constantly shrinking, especially in terms of party membership; the remaining number of people in turn radicalised themselves even more. During the last years this trend was reversed, however: new parties and platforms like Pegida (a movement of regular demonstrations, calling itself "Patriotic Europeans against the Islamisation of the Occident") and the AfD ("Alternative for Germany", a new political party) sprung up, and the number of violent crimes with a right-wing background increased dramatically. While I don't think that the "established" parties like the NPD or the Republikaner didn't manage to get too much out of this process in terms of new members etc., the aforementioned new movements like Pegida and the AfD received substantial support - initially by a troubling amount of people, most of them far from being your typical Neo-Nazi and instead being merely "concerned citizens", although both underwent a process of radicalisation during the last year or so. The largest support for these movements can be found in Eastern Germany, especially in the state of Saxony, it appears (Pegida sprung up there, for example) - but the states of former West Germany grapple with this problem as well.

In sheer numbers, it's quite alarming: violent crimes for example increased by 23% from 2013 to 2014 and the number of attacks on refugee homes by 120%! It's still not like this happens every day, but still often enough that politicians should be quite worried. The most infamous case of right-wing extremist crime was probably the series of murders committed by the NSU (National Socialist Underground) who, in the time from 1999-2007, murdered ten people and were likely responsible for at least five terrorist attacks.

There are several reasons for why that is, I think. It probably boils down to a combination of these factors: the global recession, the refugee crisis (which will probably only get worse in the coming months and years), the Euro crisis which saw a lot of people going "drat southern Europeans receiving our hard-earned money for doing nothing!", and, it seems to me, also the Russian attack on Ukraine - for plenty of nationalists, Russia seems like an ideal place what with the authoritarian government "gettings thing done", and cracking down on what many of them perceive as moralic aberrations like homosexuality and so on. It also gives people an easy opportunity to think that they have it all figured out, as right-wing circles have had an intense dislike for the US for decades, and a non-communist Russia seems like the logical choice to support. Oh, and then it's probably also the internet - it's never been so easy for people to debate and communicate. Something like Pegida wouldn't have spread as fast as it did without online resources to organise all these events and to get the message out.

On the other hand, especially the refugee crisis also tends to bring out the best in people, with a ton of them volunteering and refugee centres even in areas the most plagued by right-wing extremism being full to the brim with donated goods and so on. This (understandably) doesn't receive as much coverage by the media.

tl,dr: a significant segment of the population is supportive of authoritarian, nationalist or even openly extremist politics. While it lay mostly politically dormant throughout the last decades, the developments of the last years have given them the incentive and the opportunity to become more active - which, for some, also includes turning to violence.

(This is all only based on sporadic reading of the news and wiki, so please correct me when I'm wrong!)

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Sir,
regarding your email from earlier: there is logoix.com, but it's only for EU citizens. Maybe there exists a similar thing in another EU state which sends to the States (or wherever), so that one could get one's stuff sent via a chain of mail forwarding services? Or maybe you're lucky and someone knows of a service which sends overseas as well.

Yours sincerely,
System Metternich :tutbutt:

e: I actually made the effort and did a google search, and this came up as the first result.

System Metternich fucked around with this message at 13:40 on Sep 22, 2015

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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I just switched on the TV and some carnival broadcast from Düsseldorf came on

Jesus Christ :cripes:

So, uh, my questions to Rhineland goons: what exactly, you know, do you do during Carnival? Because those öffentlich-rechtliche broadcasts look to me like a live feed from hell, and here in Bavaria Fasching is scarcely more than an occasion for children to play dress-up (which is cool) and maybe a pitiful parade with some floats where half the participants are already drunk off their asses by noon (which is somewhat pathetic, but okay)

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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So I went to the local Faschingsumzug with my little sister. Highlights included:

- only one girl in blackface
- this song
- baby's first political satire
- the reporter for the local paper donning a bandana and calling it a day
- an enormously fat man in lederhosen

All in all 6/10, pretty ok, would go again next year

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

But what did he mean by that?

Swan Curry posted:

Hi thread,

I'm moving to Tubingen in October to spend a year in college there. I read about how when I pay the semester fees I get a ticket that allows you free travel within a certain range. Do any of you know what the range is? Is it just Tubingen? All of Baden-Wurttemburg? Somewhere in between?

Also, if you know Tubingen and had to sum it up in one sentence, what would it be?

Don't crawl into the giant stone vagina there, you will get stuck

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Hollow Talk posted:

the ones around Freiburg were, for example, absolute rubbish and didn't even quite reach the Swiss Border

Hey now, it still saved me like 3€ per trip whenever I would go home to Bavaria :colbert:

But yeah, when I had to contend myself with the Freiburg ticket and the three Landkreise it covered while my cousin in Bremen had all of Lower Saxony to herself... :suicide:

e: but compared to Augsburg it's glorious again, Augsburg doesn't even extend to my hometown that's only like 7km away from the city centre. Glad I didn't study there!

System Metternich fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jul 29, 2016

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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^^^ e: the dreaded north-south-discrepancy strikes again! :v: but seriously Torrannor, tons of people roll their r's without being fascists ^^^

Lol no, your co-worker would probably drop dead in horror when she hears me talk in my southern German dialect, I roll my r's like there's no tomorrow. I guess you're somewhere up north? They don't do that there at all, I think (outside of very rural, low German-speaking areas maybe) so that would explain why your co-worker wasn't familiar with that outside of American Nazi movies.

System Metternich fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Mar 22, 2017

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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oliwan posted:

Rolling your R's in German indeed signifies that you're retarded, i.e, a Nazi, or from Bavaria / southern Germany.

At least we know the difference between warten and waten :beerpal:

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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In Bavaria? Churches, gas stations and (some) bakeries, mostly. In Munich there should be plenty of restaurants and stuff that are still open (though their opening times might be different from the rest of the year). This doesn't apply on Holy Saturday though, which is a normal work day.

No idea though about this alpine project, sorry

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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bronin posted:

Also there are no beer gardens in the winter.

There's at least one “indoor beer garden“ in Munich where you can bring your own food too. Beer gardens live of their atmosphere though, i.e. sipping a litre of delicious beer whilst sitting beneath a huge chestnut tree shading you from the summer sun, so that kinda defeats the purpose

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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When I'm eating in at a döner place I probably have ordered something I can't eat with just my hands, like a Dönerteller.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Depending on how far you want to drive, Regensburg, Passau, Salzburg, Augsburg and Nuremburg are awesome cities in the 1-2h range from Munich with tons of cool old stuff to see or museums to visit. Re: castles, for the love of God don't go to Neuschwanstein, while it *is* gorgeous from the outside it's imo way less impressive on the inside which might also be due to the unholy amount of tourists crowding every spot there. King Ludwig built plenty of other cool palaces that are well worth a visit, like Schloss Linderhof or Herrenchiemsee. For recreation you could go to the Ammersee or Starnberger See lakes (at the latter there is the Andechs Abbey, a popular pilgrimage destination with a nice beergarden) or visit the famous spa in Erding. Altötting is a small and extremely Catholic town that harbours one of Europe's most important sacred images of Madonna, if you're interested in baroque catholic stuff. The Bavarian forest is great for day hikes and also has its fair share of old castles and picturesque old towns.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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Offbeat exhibitions? You should definitely go to the Miniatur-Wunderland then, it's a huge and incredibly detailed model railway attraction which sounds super boring at first but is in fact presented with so much love, care, attention to detail and humour that you can't help but love it. Google tells me that normally people spend up to 3,5h in there. Well, in my case it was more like ten (!) and I still didn't see everything :v:

You shouldn't be some childfree weirdo though, for obvious reasons most of the visitors are families with young children and it can get pretty packed during peak hours.

System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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We also did a guided tour through the harbour as well that came up to like 12€ per person and it owned, seeing how containerised shipping actually works (outside of that one GTA 5 mission :v:) was super interesting.

If you’re interested in architecture then the Elbphilharmonie is worth a visit as well, especially seeing as the tickets for the building itself cost exactly nothing.

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System Metternich
Feb 28, 2010

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I once had a Bierschnitzel in a small Wirtschaft somewhere in rural Thuringia and Jesus, it was so loving good. I’ve tried in vain to find a good recipe to recreate that ever since :(

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