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NitroSpazzz posted:For those of you with a track bike that also sees some (limited) street use, what tires are you using?
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May 12, 2012 05:58
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Hooray track days. Gonna go out and have some fun at Little Tally this weekend with Josh Herrin (and brothers) and Huntley Nash. First track day in 6 months 
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Sep 13, 2012 00:20
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aventari posted:Some people (ahem) will talk a lot about how body positioning doesn't matter but I find if I'm way leaned over properly I get more feel and am much more confident and in control, and able to make small corrections easier. Getting the knee down really helps a lot too as a gauge of what's happening. It's hard to generalize stuff like this because everyone is going to be different. Some people will feel more comfortable and thus have a much easier time learning if they're hanging off like a monkey. For others it will be the complete opposite. As long as you're comfortable on the bike, don't worry about how the pictures look. Here's two pictures from 2 local racers around here. Both have AMA experience (the former is retired; the latter will be racing DSB next year), both are WERA expert class, and both run near-identical lap times - ~0:57's at TGPR. I believe they've swapped the lap record back and forth a few times.   As you can see, two extremely different body positions but at the end of the day they achieve more-or-less the same result.
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Nov 30, 2012 05:19
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Yep. Different heights and weights by quite a large margin. Another reason why there isn't an end-all-be-all answer to BP
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Nov 30, 2012 09:07
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Yeah, I know a few guys who have tried the leg dangle and said they liked how it felt. I'd say it's pretty similar to body positioning. At the end of the day it's best to do whatever makes you feel most comfortable on the bike. Most likely not going to have any significant impact on your ability to ride the bike one way or the other.
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Feb 3, 2013 18:46
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Ouch man, sorry that happened to you. That must have been a terrible feeling. I'd imagine it's kind of like hitting a false neutral going into a corner. You expect the bike to do something and all of a sudden OH poo poo there's no response. Glad you're okay though.
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Feb 19, 2013 05:42
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So I was out at a buddy's shop earlier just hanging out. In the other room they were dynoing a bike, and all of a sudden we heard this ungodly terrifying sound. Ran over to check out what was going on and yep, bike blew up on the dyno. Yep, it was a 675. That's enough convincing for me to stay away from those bikes.
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Feb 23, 2013 01:10
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Yup. Baby blue 675?
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Feb 28, 2013 00:51
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The funny part is that the tuning on the bike was actually already finished. They were just mentally running the bike through a track to try to see if there were any places to squeeze out a little extra horsepower, then boom she went. The consensus was that it probably threw a rod, but no one pulled the motor open to see. At the end of the day it's probably a good thing that it happened on the dyno though, since otherwise it would have just grenaded itself on the track ( ).
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Feb 28, 2013 02:03
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I can't afford to actually ride a bike these days but I did get a chance to hang out at the track a couple weekends ago. Buddy of mine was trying Q2's for the first time and got a little bored control riding the novice group  
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Mar 23, 2013 10:28
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Looking good. I wouldn't worry about getting in the way of A group riders though. As long as you're consistent and can hold a line they'll find a way around you. Last trackday I rode I got passed simultaneously by Josh Herrin on the inside and Huntley Nash on the outside
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Apr 19, 2013 00:46
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R10's are a race tire and should be on warmers (for various reasons), but don't blame your crash on not having them. Pulling tires off a set of warmers and cruising around below pace is just going to cool them down anyway. I'll second everything that Z3n said. Your speed doesn't really matter, I've seen people crash entering onto the track from pit road (yes, really).
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Apr 29, 2013 08:40
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Any "standard" sport rubber would be fine. Pilot Power (original or 2ct), Q2, BT016, etc. A friend of mine can run close to slow A times on a VFR, a ZZR is perfectly fine for trackdays. A ZZR is basically just a rebadged older gen ZX6-R anyway, depending on the year.
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May 18, 2013 03:38
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WERA has the same rule.
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May 25, 2013 21:16
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WERA at Road Atlanta this weekend; spent yesterday and half of today up there helping out some buddies and blindly testing out a new camera lens. They ran the 6hr endurance race on Friday and were on track for a podium when the bike blew up ~45 mins before the race was over  Second time they've DNFed from an endurance this year due to mechanical and third (fourth?) time the motor has blown up in the past 2 years. Suxuki  Also! I know most of the people here tend to run Pierlli's or somesuch, but check out what the Dunlop guy had for sale trackside:   That's right, D212's (after ~5 hours of endurance racing). The front tire has almost no lip (as in, the edge of the tire is nearly flush with the sidewall), I've never seen anything like it before. The team was loving it though. Apparently the grip is absolutely absurd. And a track picture cause why not: 
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Jun 8, 2013 22:45
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Spiffness posted:IIT: Post the most gettinest' pics you haven't paid for  
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Jun 29, 2013 00:44
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That's not a track day or a race   My first time at Deal's Gap back when I first started riding 
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Jun 29, 2013 04:35
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Spiffness posted:Neither, Nissan both stock. Until you get to the 2012's when they have Brembo calipers. 
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Jul 14, 2013 06:28
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How's the track surface holding up at Jennings? I haven't been there in a couple of years but I hear that the back section keeps getting worse and worse. It's a shame, because I think Jennings is my favorite track, but it's hard to enjoy it when the entire back section is like riding on rumble strips.
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Jul 15, 2013 02:07
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AncientTV posted:It's still nice there aside from 8 and 9, and even they aren't too terrible because the usual line goes in between most of the patches. I can't speak for the really fast dudes or in regards to racing since I was doing the same line all weekend, but its definitely not bad enough to avoid the track or anything. Part of me wishes they'd repave the back section but at the same time I know how expensive that is and I think Jennings would suffer if they had to up their prices to compensate. Oh well, I'll still head down there when I get back on the track one of these days. Love that track regardless. Also: Anyone going to be at VIR for WERA in a couple weeks? I'll be up there in the pits that Friday helping out some buddies with their endurance team.
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Jul 21, 2013 10:02
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TGPR is such a fun track and X-Act is such a good organization. Perfect track for a smaller bike too - even 600s feel big there. I have some of my fondest memories at that track, including but not limited to being passed on the inside by Josh Herrin and on the outside by Zach Herrin at the same time in the 90's (the turn, not the decade)
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Sep 14, 2015 00:38
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NitroSpazzz posted:I'm probably signing up for a day there in the spring with X-Act as soon as they send out a schedule. You should come out. I'm stuck with NJMP
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Sep 16, 2015 23:56
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Jennings may be my favorite track. The front section is very fast. The back section is slower and much more technical. You get pretty much everything except elevation changes (it is flat as a board). My only complaints are that the back section is pretty eaten up (but don't let that you lose confidence) and the surface there is EXTREMELY abrasive. It'll eat up tires super fast, which is quite annoying if you're running race tires. Oh, and if you're doing a private Jennings day, it's a gigantic pain in the rear end to get pictures. Other than that, track fuckin owns! edit: Video from one of my early trackdays when I was running ~9-10 seconds off pace (I'm the one filming)
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Jan 31, 2016 03:08
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Partial Octopus posted:Can anyone recommend me a good track to take lessons and start riding at? I live in the Philadelphia area. I'm also interested in supermoto tracks. quote:How?
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Feb 4, 2016 21:01
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kuffs posted:I am considering slicks for my next set of tires on the F4i. Are they that much of an improvement over the Q3s I'm presently running? Are tire warmers a necessity? If you're running race tires, yes, I would (and always do) run warmers. You'll get varying opinions depending who you talk to, but warmers will let you immediately hop onto the track and go at nearly full pace on the first turn. Yeah, you can argue that the suspension (and brakes - but those get up to temp within a couple of turns) won't be warm for a lap or 2, but I've never found that to be an issue for me or any friends. As far as literal slicks? No point. If you want race tires, get a set of DOTs. When I was heavily involved in racing (but not actually riding) for a few years, out of everyone I knew, maybe 2 or 3 people ever ran slicks for trackdays. Everyone else ran DOTs.
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Feb 5, 2016 05:24
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One argument for race tires (and I know who is gonna post it ) is that - assuming you can keep heat in them - even if you aren't using them to maximum potential, they'll have that extra grip that may save you from an "oh poo poo" moment. They'll certainly wear out much faster than your Q3's though.
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Feb 5, 2016 18:45
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No reason not to switch to GP. You'll get used to it really quickly - I did around 25k street miles before converting to GP and never had an issue with it. The only thing that got me was constantly switching back and forth. We used to parking lot race TTR125s for fun/practice and I always had trouble remembering they were standard. GP just feels more natural, imo.
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Mar 30, 2016 01:03
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Carousel (turn 4) at TGPR with X-ACT?
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Mar 31, 2016 06:03
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NitroSpazzz posted:Bingo, I didn't realize how off camber the outside of that one was until I did a walk last time. Let me know if you're headed back there at all this year, I'm aiming to get it out at least four times this season. Probably be little tally twice then Barber and maybe VIR. And yeah, caurosel is off camber and it gets a lot of people. On the other end of the spectrum, turn 1 is much more banked than it looks and you can carry a metric fuckton of speed through there.
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Mar 31, 2016 17:31
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M42 posted:Going to hit up jennings april 17th, and then (if I can get the bike trailered) ride on a brand new track back in VA the following weekend! GET HYPE
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Mar 31, 2016 23:57
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They've probably already been eaten by a gator at this point edit: Speaking of Jennings animals, a friend and I were once approached by 2 coyotes when we were doing a track walk after dark. Actually, now that I think about it, I also hit a bird in turn 3/4 doing around 90. Fortunately it hit the bike and not loving me, but feathers went everywhere. Weirdest reason for a yellow flag ever. -Inu- fucked around with this message at 01:41 on Apr 1, 2016 |
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Apr 1, 2016 01:36
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NitroSpazzz posted:Yeah turn 1 still scares me a bit but I'm to the point where I'm not braking and downshifting anymore for it. Maybe by the end of the day Monday I'll be going through with just a little roll off. I know the bike can go through flat out but I'm a big chicken. gently caress, I need to get back on a track.
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Apr 1, 2016 23:59
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You look great dude. I agree with what Z3n said about going a little too far out sometimes (props on not going off when you hit the rumble strips around 5:41 though!) but your lines are pretty drat solid overall. You even take the fast line through farmhouse, whereas I ride like a chickenshit You're supposed to go over the rumblestrips in the kink, as you did, but I was always afraid of bending a rim there (to the point where I'd completely gently caress up and go through a gear too high). I know 1 or 2 people who have taken out a rim on those rumblestrips, but those were all during sprint races so it's a really dumb concern for me to have. But yeah, keep doing what you're doing! Tally is the perfect track for that bike and you're handling the track the way you should! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMmriw_Duxc That's an old video where I was running 1:06-1:08's (fast I / slow A times). I probably could have picked up an entire second or two just by going through farmhouse properly. My goal is to eventually get down to a 1:02, but I haven't been there in almost 4 years. (Sorry about the music, it was an inside joke)
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Apr 6, 2016 19:42
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Sure is! What'd you think of the track itself? Take any video?
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Apr 19, 2016 01:36
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Lookin' good! Turn 8 can be tricky and is the most dangerous turn on the track. It's a lot sharper and slower than it looks, and you want to aggressively apex at the strips (inside of where the big patch is) or the track surface will have a field day with you. T10 was giving me the most trouble when I was there 2 times ago, though. It's actually the slowest turn on the track and your apex/exit are crucial for setting up 11 and 12. If you go through 10 wrong, you can push yourself out too far coming out of 11 (almost ran off the track once). Another thing that can happen is being leaned too far over and having to maintenance throttle out of 11 (or at least get on it less aggressively), where you'd normally drive hard to go through 12 as fast as possible. I got bucked off my seat during one of the morning sessions because I spun up the rear out of 11 - closest I've ever came to highsiding. I've never tried the food there. The menu always seemed like playing with fire at a trackday.
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Apr 19, 2016 06:48
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Kaliber posted:Hey guys, I just signed up for my first track day with N2 at Roebling next month. Super nervous and lost in the sauce on what to expect, how to prep and etc! All I got from their manuals and stuff is to make sure I have gear (I have everything but leathers) disconnect my headlights and brake lights, tape everything up, and bring tools and gas. That's a 101 guide I wrote a little while back to hand out to people at work (and while I'm here, if there's anything anyone thinks should be added/changed, I'm open). There's some area specific stuff so you can just ignore that. Your best solution to the leathers situation would be to buy some. I don't know if N2 rents suits at all, but it's never sounded too appealing to me either way. If you have a friend who wears the same size as you, maybe you could borrow one? Otherwise, scour online/craigslist/etc and try to find something used in your size, assuming you don't want to buy new. WERA forums often have good poo poo on them and a huge number of them are in the SE so it'd be convienent: http://forums.13x.com/index.php?forums/race-gear-and-accessories-for-sale.56/
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Apr 19, 2016 23:48
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Yeah, he definitely misjudged how tight the turn is. Instead of tipping into 8 from the outside, he made a straight shot from 7 with (it appears) the intent to apex at the 8 marker and take it to the outside of the track, but as he was accelerating out he realized that line would put him in the grass - so he had to give it more lean and lost the rear, then panic chopped the throttle and blasted off. Sucks that happened. Hope he got some good sessions in and isn't discouraged from doing more trackdays. The race line through that section is something along the lines of this (bear with my inability to color within the lines):  Basically you tip in hard into 7 around the time the track starts to curve, hit mid track at about the point where the rumblestrips end, then flick directly into 8 and stay inside until you can drive out to mid track in order to set up for 9. I'm not sure how wide you were coming out of 9, but you can go into 10 from mid track. edit: Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester posted:I haven't been to that many tracks but I've never seen numbers on the corners like that. Is it set up just for bike track days or something? edit2: I actually opened photoshop so the line mockup doesn't look like a 2 year old drew it. The arrows show which way the bike is leaned; basically just flick the bike from right to left as the arrows indicate. -Inu- fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 03:19
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I RARELY use it, and a former coworker who has been racing/doing trackdays twice as long as I've been alive is the same. Both of us leave air in the line so it doesn't bite when we do use it. (Complete side note, but it's a fun story: He actually started the first track day org in the country, which was later sold to STT. Nothing of the sort existed 30 years ago or whenever he was racing, so he would often sign up for races just to ride the morning practice, but wouldn't do the actual race. Eventually had the brilliant idea to use tracks for something other than competitive riding. He's the one who crafted the N/I/A/R system that's used by nearly every modern org. 100% true, no BS.) OTOH, I'm friends with a couple of people who race AMA or MotoAmerica or whatever the gently caress it's called now, and they're constantly stomping on the rear and getting the bike sideways. Same with a good friend who used to stunt. I think people who ride dirt/flattrack/etc who are comfortable with a loose bike tend to utilize the rear more. It is good for adjusting lines and is imperative if you run off track, though edit: If you use the rear brake you can scare the everliving gently caress out of the Novice group you're control riding, as well as the cornerworkers! -Inu- fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Apr 20, 2016 |
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Apr 20, 2016 12:20
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NitroSpazzz posted:Golf towing is the way to go 
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Jun 23, 2016 17:57
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Anyone going to be at TGPR this weekend for WERA? Thinking about stopping by on Sunday to get some video shots and possibly run into some old friends.
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Aug 18, 2016 03:38
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