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flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Addman posted:

I understand the truths behind the article it just seems very politically slanted. I'm not in yet, but I find it hard to believe that article is not biased or exaggerated in some way. Wouldn't infantry in reg force (not during bmq) not shooting any bullets defeat the entire purpose of the trade? How would you even do zeroing with so few bullets?

Let me tell you a story about being in Afghanistan for four months carrying around C8s we hadn't zeroed or test fired yet.

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flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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We weren't Infantry, we were MPs doing CP (a very different job from the soldier-soldiers down south doing work, going hard and being awesome). Our extended period of faith in our equipment was partly a budget thing and partly a... shall we say, "local leadership concern"? Thankfully we had some guys with real credentials over there with us to unfuck the rest of us civi-cop-in-beret scrubs and look after us while we figured out what was what until we could take care of ourselves.

I expect things are probably a bit more organized over there now.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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acumen posted:

I didn't qualify for my re-application to infantry because I didn't have enough volunteer hours

:stare:

We're sorry but you just haven't fed enough kittens to meet the minimum standard of conduct required to be a trained killer. Have you considered a career in hull maintenance?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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The issue they're fighting about is the lump sum vs. lifelong pension compensation model. They're both flawed, the lump sums are too small and they're not handed out often enough, the system needs to be fixed and oh hold on here comes the government's official position:

quote:

Canada does not have a “social contract” to take care of its veterans.

Hm.

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Sep 2, 2022

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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The full quote from the Defense filing is a bit more nuanced but basically it boils down to "Just because SRB said that this country should look after veterans doesn't mean we should ALWAYS look after veterans, especially when there are other Canadians whose needs need suiting too.

quote:

government, which by virtue of the "Honour of the Crown", creates a fiduciary duty on the
government's part under which it is obliged to place the interests of disabled veterans above
the interests of all other Canadians and as a result of which the government is prohibited
from legislating so as lo effect any policy change in regard to their compensation and
treatment. The defendant pleads that there is no written, defined, or articulated "social-
covenant" or "social contract" between members of the CAF and the government and
people of Canada which has those attributes.

"The defendant pleads that the statements made by Sir Robert Borden and the coalition
government in 1917 were political speeches that reflected the policy positions of the
government at the time and were never imended to create a contract or covenant. It is
further pleaded that at no time were these statements intended to bind future governments
and, in any event, the principle of parliamentary sovereignty would have prevented such a
result had it been intended.

Following World War One, the policy position of Sir Robert Borden and the coalition
government on the issue of Canada's relationship with veterans evolved, as did the policy
position of subsequent governments. The defendant pleads that parliament, within the
bounds of constitutional limits, has the unfettered discretion to change or reverse any policy
set by a previous government."

And yeah, preaching that in uniform is definitely a 129 and probably could be called disobey lawful command for overlooking the DAOD that defines what sorts of statements one can make to the media.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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There were quite a few people in my BMQ who had no business being outside, never mind in the military with weapons.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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In a vacuum, it's not a bad gig. You basically can't be fired as long as you don't get hurt, you'll learn all kinds of neat stuff (some of it even useful), the benefits are good, a lot of the people you'll meet are rock fuckin solid human beings, and even if your career is a steaming heap a pension of 65% of a corporal's wage is enough to live on if you're not a total idiot.

If you're unable to work in an environment that doesn't give your accomplishments any validation and you can't stand the idea of a barely literate man child, who was only promoted to his current rank because some other section got sick of his poo poo and wanted him gone, jerking you around with temper tantrums because he thinks your life should suck as much as he thinks his life did, look elsewhere.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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SuperSix posted:

Love your Garrioch by the way

Don't make bets in SAS :(

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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:byodame: STAFF OR STUDENT

If you have a penis, do not use it within a 50 mile radius of Angus.
If you have a mouth, and you like to put chicken wings in it, use it in the restaurant just outside the Angus gate.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Rumours of someone running out of the classroom crying when the CWO of the school announced her posting to Cold Lake are somewhat exaggerated.

(It was more of a speedwalk)

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Chillyrabbit posted:

I don't mind too much, just thinking offhandedly if it would give a good career skill set for civilian work.

If that's your goal, become a hull or HVAC tech.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Yup. Anything that makes tiny minds short circuit will be a source of misery for you. Used a word I don't understand? Did a clever thing I never would have thought of? Looked stupid doing that stupid thing I just told you to do? Get in here, don't bring your hat.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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They wouldn't let me qualify on the Iltis cause I'd never driven stick before, so I did the test in a Tahoe or something. Nearly failed it too cause I didn't do a shoulder check like Linda Blair.

You most definitely can get a 404 without a civi license, and use it to drive a military vehicle on a highway where the laws would normally require one.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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MA-Horus posted:

BANG BANG

Needs something for the fourth beat.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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This was the source of some discussion in Trenton, which felt like wasted effort cause it wasn't uncommon to see a guy walking around with his wedge on effing backwards but that's beside the point. It depends significantly on what you are. If you're combat arms this may be allowed because of article 4.3.6 of the CF Dress Instructions:

4.3.6: "Combat Arms pers shall receive regimental cap and collar badges IAW regimental directives"

A "regimental directive" could conceivably include "All you fuckers are wearing tri-service badges", but I can't imagine such a directive would be seen as wise or popular. Those guys work fuckin' hard for those things and they wear them with significant pride, I wouldn't wanna be the guy to try to take it away.

The other wear instructions are, unsurprisingly, all "shall"s:

4.2(a) "All qualified CF members shall wear branch cap badges as detailed in Annex D, except [generals, Army colonels and HCols, Chaplains, Legal, Dental, Medical pers, the CFCWO, Infanteers and the Armour Corps]"

4.2.15 All non-General Officers and all NCMs shall wear a metal or embroidered branch cap badge; except for those who choose to wear optional wire embroidered versions as long as they don't look like poo poo and the wear is not a Regimental O or a CWO.

4.2.18. All armoured and infantry ranks with a regimental affiliation (e.g., RCRs) shall wear authorized regimental cap and collar badges; new members of those trades without a regiment wear branch badges. (What is 'authorized' could be up to your old man)

4.2.19 CICs wear only CIC badges because lol CIC

So far as I can tell the cornflake is only mentioned once by name in the dress regs, where it says you have to be issued one upon enrolment. It's mentioned again when they specify that ROTP officers who flunk out have to wear one until they're out-out (4.3.13).

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Yeah. Commissioned officers probably shouldn't be wearing cornflakes, but if they've got you guys on course or something they can meddle pretty freely with your uniform and there's not a lot you can do about it. If you're actually trades qualified and on useful duty and they have you walking around looking like idiots, shoot an email to DHH and ask.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Attire Irony posted:

We're all on course

Ding.

Now I wanna see you bastards down here in Oxfords, rain suit pants, DEU long sleeve shirts, gabardines and helmets. No medals. You have two minutes. MOVE.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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No CO who's ever had a thought in his head would let it get even that far, and if your CO is that daft the Base Commander would literally poo poo on his desk.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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I support that.

I saw it written once that Canada's defense strategy hinges on three key facts:

1. An attack against Canada is an attack against the USA;
2. The American retaliation would be objectively gargantuan in both scope and vigour, and even if our entire GDP were dedicated to defense spending, our contribution would be insignificant compared to their fiery wrath; and
3. Canada could not withstand an attack from the US, should they decide to do that.

That doesn't relieve us of the need to have a military to protect our sovereignty and patrol our territory to discourage foreign ("Russian") incursions before they become habitual, but I don't think you need a carrier group to do that. Even if we could get the planes for free and grow the pilots in cloning vats, the expenditures for the ships alone would still be absurd. When our recruits don't have uniforms, our infanteers are shouting "bang" and throwing rocks on the grenade range, our guns are rusted in place and we're literally raiding museums to keep our tanks operational, we've a long way to go before we can even begin to think about considering the debate over buying a single, used carrier from Hungary.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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PRwise absolutely. Budgetwise it poo poo in the milk quite gloriously.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Imagine how much we'd save if we didn't go through perfunctory rebranding every twenty minutes.

Have you met anyone period who gives a tinker's drat about pips & crowns?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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So nobody whose opinion ought to matter when talk turns to spending public money on today's living soldier, then.

e: Historians serve a useful purpose and all that, and I really have no emotional stake in what rank insignia look like. I just think "Old people did it so therefore it must be good" is a stupid line of thinking and shouldn't be enough to justify yet another rewrite of a perfectly serviceable dress instruction.

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 15:40 on Jun 11, 2015

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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"But if the power goes out the radios go out too, so how are we going to get messages to the tanks?"

Two weeks later, the bicycles arrived. The following morning, all of the bars of soap and washcloths had vanished from the bathrooms.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Remember when you raped that girl in Borden? Turns out you're just "wired that way" and it's not actually your fault.

Thanks, Tom!

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Frosted Flake posted:

If Postal Clerks can get jump wings, I've made some very bad career choices.

There were all kinds of trades at the para school in Trenton.

On the subject of cadets, can CICs force their troops to wash their disgusting bodies? I was on a flight back from the UK this week with about fifty cadets from some kind of shooting team, all wearing RCAC apparel, and the miasma that polluted the air around their block of seats made me want to friggin yak. It was seriously an embarrassment to have them stinking up the place while ostensibly representing Canadian youth and I'm of half a mind to tell the Connaught CSM a few words to that effect.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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DrakeriderCa posted:

The National Rifle Team? No, they should have been back weeks ago. Probably one of the exchanges. I hope it wasn't the NRT. Don't ruin my alma mater, stinking teenagers! :argh:

Certainly sounds like them.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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I read that as "reverse artillery" and now I think a giant magnet that could attract incoming fire would be cool.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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A plan to increase the number of underequipped, underdressed, out-of-practice troops by 25%? That'll be accompanied by a corresponding boost to Veterans' Affairs too right?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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stevobob posted:

What is it with the military and phantom shitters?

You mean like the guy who broke into our mod on our 3s, poo poo on the couch, put a bunch of pop bottles in the microwave, set it to an hour and a half and ran off?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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DrakeriderCa posted:

Hahahahahaha

That's what we said too. The qualified MPs accidentally caught the guy when they detained him on suspicion of theft (he'd done that too), and when they asked why he thought he was in trouble the stupid bastard confessed to trashing our mod.

The dryer is way funnier but only because someone shut our microwave off before the pop bottles could explode.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Ahem. MPs do their jobs until there's a war.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Just murder, rape and treason, otherwise MPs do the same work civilian police do. The problem is that the bosses don't quite understand what that means, so they say things like "I want to see you make ten traffic stops today" or "The BComd doesn't want people blowing the red at the main gates", so you get a lot of guys following specific orders to dick people around. Also a lot of these poor bastards are bored out of their tree because nothing ever happens, so when something does pop up everyone goes disproportionately berserk.

RMPs aren't really a thing, but at the same time if I had worked on a hard army base I wouldn't have dreamt of doing poo poo without the CSM onside or an ex combat arms guy leading the way.

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 21:55 on Aug 28, 2023

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Frosted Flake posted:

My cousin is an MP and he's in Africa for some reason he's not telling me about. Embassy duty?

At least he's not a glorified security guard at 101 anymore.

Probably force protection, which is like being a security guard except you're on TD and the people and/or kit you're responsible for is some combination of awesome, expensive and ought not to be where it is. I got my turn in Sudan when I was a QL3 Cpl and the trip was wall to wall fun. If you're gonna go on TD, go with Herc maintainers.

I know they need MPs wherever there are soldiers but "I'm an MP Cpl at 101" has got to be one of the checkboxes on the release forms at this point. Bosses' eyes are always on you and you have no idea what motivates them from one day to the next, there are basically no Qs so that means basically no police-policing*, the specialist MP units are all having way more fun than you are in direct line-of-sight from your desk (ITCU, NIS, NCIU, MSGU and the jammiest gig of all, the Air Marshals) and most of the military clients are in multi-tenant buildings with about eight layers of security between sidewalk and desktop so unless someone like me blunders into a poorly-signed wiring closet that has a hey-gotcha intrusion alarm in it, you often feel like you have nothing to do. And nature abhors the sight of a WO who knows he has a Cpl with nothing to do. For a lot of MP Cpls in Ottawa, success means leaving Ottawa - but you can't do that until you make MCpl and good feckin' luck doing that in a unit that large.

*Post-Somalia they went out and hired a bunch of people who had their eye on professional policing as a career but really had no business being soldiers (like me). They put berets on us, gave us Potemkin powers and made us subordinate to actual soldiers who A) didn't all make great cops and B) struggled with the idea of a literate, self-aware 26-year-old recruit who asked questions like "Why?". Back in my day, they wheezed, nobody asked a Sgt "why", if he said look stupid dadgummit they got to lookin stupid! The frustration and bitterness about the whole situation (e: From both sides, cause the young guys all wanna do the poo poo they saw on COPS and the bosses know that it's important to document secure rooms and run gate checks and avoid rocking the boat by pouting around like a bunch of malcontents because in reality an MP Cpl has it really, really good) is easy to hide on an operational base because people have actual work to think about doing, but at 101 I saw that poo poo take a foothold in a lot of guys' heads with fascinating results. The smart ones kept their heads down until they were posted out or got hired away, cause really, even at its worst that job is still the envy of a great many people. The dumb ones got drunk, or beaked off and got in the bosses' faces about stupid poo poo, or forced unwinnable arguments that just made everyone around them miserable to be there.

But that's just my own personal opinion, flawed and biased as it may be.

flakeloaf fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Sep 8, 2015

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Try not feeling like you're entitled to something, doing what you're told and not being a dick to your minions cause you're bored. Seems to work in every other trade.

"The worst possible career trajectory sees me retiring with a 60% indexed pension that's three times what you need to squeak by in a major city" is a thing a lot of people in this country would love to say for themselves.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Frosted Flake posted:

poo poo. I'll have to take him drinking when he gets back. Are Force Protection the HSLD looking plainclothes guys with the gucci kit I've seen at the ranges occasionally? I assumed they were a RCMP team or something.

Plainclothes + gucci kit normally means they who shall not be named, but I thought they had their own range so yeah, could be the gravel road cops. Close protection teams (bodyguards) dress in civis but their gear is usually pretty standard.

Force protection is the MP in blacks with an empty (or no) holster sitting in a Hilux parked between the Hercs.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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If you see ERT ask them if they're TRU. Always good for a laugh.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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Don't forget reading the news to your Major every morning. That never gets old.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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The new search engine (which manages to somehow be worse than the old one) also filters anything that isn't a document by default, so if you're looking for a unit's home page you aren't finding it unless you click some boxes. I'm confident your average client will not figure this out.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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I'm going to go out and guess that "veteran" and "after" are terms that will have very fluid definitions.

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flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

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MA-Horus posted:

How about the guy that has to prove every year that his legs didn't grow back

The Amazing Spider-Man was a documentary.

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