KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

kind of a waste of the volume, no?

vessbot posted:

I think a more elegant flow of continuity would be if it's 3 engines, with the center one between the booms, but that doesn't work with the spacing of the landing gear blisters

MrYenko posted:

Naval Aviator spotted.

Nebakenezzer posted:

Just passing this along in case some of y'all havn't seen it. I'd say something aviation related will come up every week.

Wingnut Ninja posted:

Not being familiar with War Thunder, are people exceeding max airspeed limitations which results in airframe damage (such as losing flaps and other control surfaces), or are people dogfighting with flaps extended? You normally only use flaps for low-speed maneuvers like takeoff and landing. I can't think of a reason why you'd want them for combat. Speed brakes on a dive bomber, maybe, but that's different (and designed for higher airspeeds).

F-14 NATOPS posted:

The flaps and slats form the high-lift system, which
provides the aircraft with augmented lift during the two
modes of operation: take off or landing and maneuvering flight.

aphid_licker posted:

Huh so that kinda sounds like there's not all that much irl basis to the game mechanic, interesting. Thanks!

Wingnut Ninja posted:

That's an automatic system, though. Were WWII fighters manually dropping flaps in the middle of a dogfight?

Bob A Feet posted:

Well that Corsair report doesn’t say much about combat it just says low speed turns which incidentally most planes have to do in some form before landing which is why they have their flaps down.

Like dude the report is talking about flying 90mph level turns. Gonna throw some hard doubt that a Corsair flew 90mph in combat.

I don’t think any aircraft uses manually adjusted flaps (ie, not fly by wire control surfaces) in combat or high speed maneuvering.

Sagebrush posted:

The Bf-109 had an automatic leading-edge slat system that would deploy at low airspeeds/high AoA. It was a very simple concept -- by default the slats were pushed open with springs, and as airspeed increased it would force them shut. Slow down, or pull to a high angle of attack so the air isn't hitting the slats directly, and the spring opens them back up.

e: oh, you said manually. idk. almost certainly there were instances where it was happening, but in the modern model of dogfighting -- where keeping your total energy as high as possible is the goal -- I would imagine that it would generally be discouraged because any amount of flaps will increase drag and thus losing energy.

Tomcat Pilot posted:

F-15s liked to drag the Tomcat high and use their superior thrust to gain an advantage. An off-the-books tactic we used to counter this was to manually extend the wings to the fullest, then incrementally lower the flaps beyond the normal maneuver setting. It was hugely successful, but the danger was that the flap torque tubes were not designed for this and could become stuck.

Sagebrush posted:

Are you making a distinction between

flaps that are powered by an electric motor vs. flaps that are powered by the pilot's arm on a johnson bar

or

flaps where the position may be directly commanded by the pilot, e.g. extend to 30 degrees, vs. flaps where the pilot selects e.g. "landing" and the flight control system decides what that entails and actuates the devices accordingly?

vessbot posted:

Lots of American planes had it too, like early F-104's, bottom seats of the B-52, and some others too.

aphid_licker posted:

Man if I was a pilot and learned about that Barracuda thing I would seriously grab whatever horrid, misshapen thing the Brits were issuing as a service revolver at the time and (try to) shoot the guy who designed that system.

hobbesmaster posted:

"The concept, which included a complementary 747 AWACS version with two reconnaissance "microfighters", was considered technically feasible in 1973"

Wingnut Ninja posted:

I'm just going to assume that the manta ray itself is nuclear powered and the tankers are to provide fuel for its air wing, like how it works with water-based aircraft carriers.

e: I just noticed the hull on the bottom and the outriggers, so it seems it's a flying boat on top of everything else.

bloops posted:

Guys help. Cat experienced a variable sweep ear failure today. No circuit breakers to pull and dash 1 unclear on emergency procedures.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Really when we are talking about Long Airplanes you must consider ratio of fuselage diameter to overall length, because that is what gives the visual appearance of length.

Some Long Airplanes, evaluated:

code:

Name	   Fuselag    Length	   Length:Diameter Ratio (higher = longer)
777x-9	   6.2	      76.3	   12.3
787-10	   5.77	      68.28	   11.8
777-300	   6.2	      73.86	   11.9
A340-1000  5.64	      75.36	   13.4
A350-1000  6.09	      73.79	   12.1
767-400	   5.41	      61.37	   11.3
757-300	   3.76	      54.4	   14.5
737-MAX10  3.76	      43.8	   11.6
CRJ-1000   2.7	      39.1	   14.5
CRJ-900    2.7        36.2         13.4
ERJ-145    2.28       29.87        13.1

As you can see, the Longest Airplane is a tie between the 757-300 and the CRJ-1000. Of airplanes in production, it appears the CRJ-900 is the current Length King. If you think of other long airplanes please post them and evaluate.

I tried some little stuff like the Metroliner but it's not that competitive, there's kind of an overall minimum diameter to fit people in it so planes below a certain size just don't really work.

PT6A posted:

Having a private first-class suite with a full observation window at the very front of the main deck of a 747 would be absolutely loving amazing.

rscott posted:

Look this 16 slide powerpoint deck about FOD will totally make up for the fact that we have 2 inspectors per 100 mechanics on the line! It says right here in bold caps that FOD is everyone's responsibility!

Midjack posted:

Watch what happens when you try telling an old person they’re doing something incorrectly.

~Coxy posted:

Not 2 in 135?

david_a posted:

Apparently Musk already has 5(!) kids from a previous marriage

mlmp08 posted:

I don’t think Grimes is a dipshit any more than other performance artist musicians are like Zappa or Bowie or Bjork or whatever. I’m not equating those artists so nerds please don’t artsplain, but those people are not “dipshits.”

NightGyr posted:

(Grimes river cruise)

bloops posted:

Yea that’s a rope to hang out the side to escape from. Ours was kept in a little compartment above the eyebrow window. We were told to kick off the pitot tubes on the way down

Phanatic posted:

I don't think the engines are supposed to look like that.

e.pilot posted:

I for one am shocked that a foreign carrier would have both subpar maintenance and pilots.

Moo the cow posted:

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d7a6e9a



I am not a plane person, but I though that landing without the wheels down was something that doesn't happen very often with the Big Planes?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

presuming everything else is working correctly, sure

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

Approach asks if he's going to land on his belly when he's coming back in after losing the engines, which kinda sounds like there was maybe a gear issue to start with, beyond forgetting to put it down. Who knows though, that's just inference.

Ola posted:

Hmm just thinking about a luxury airship makes the idea seem so obvious. It's easier to make carbon neutral propulsion for it than anything heavier than air. Also, that gas envelope, it must have a certain resonating ability, what if you put a big subwoofer inside it and go cruising?

meltie posted:

as a Euro, I keep brainfarting CVG as Charles van Gaulle

shame on an IGA posted:

Midjack posted:

What do you even do to turn that around?

PT6A posted:

If they haven't glued themselves to a critical surface, I say add them to the weight and balance and get goin'

Sagebrush posted:

maybe if you're a big stupid moron with an ugly face who smells like a butt.

Jonny Nox posted:

The idle rich glueing themselves to a plane are not lawful protests against systematic racism, it's not even the same category.


You know why people are committing violence on protesters? Because they know that actually works (for a time)

hobbesmaster posted:

Service ceiling on the version that’s from originally is only 37k ft.

Mao Zedong Thot posted:

Better that than my current X-Plane experience: for whatever reason every time I've flown around in X-Plane over the past year in a small plane, this loving computer controlled MD-90 follows me around in edge-of-stall slow flight. It's.... bizarre. I have no idea what exactly is going on or why X-Plane has decided to perpetually harass my lil bugsmashers with a stalling airliner.

Cat Mattress posted:

And yet the air forces have generals like the landlubbers, not admirals like the navies.