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Hellblazer should definitly be added to the list since it is the longest running Vertigo title and it also gave exposure to such writers as Jamie Delano, Garth Ennis, Mike Carey, Paul Jenkins, Warren Ellis, Darko Macan, Brian Azzarello, Neil Gaiman, Grant Morrison, Eddie Campbell, John Smith, Denise Mina, Andy Diggle, Jason Aaron and currently Peter Milligan. It also has very few awful run and the good ones are really good.
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Bitchin Kitchen posted:Got the first Unwritten trade, thanks guys, my Mike Carey obsession just grew again. God drat that man is amazing. His run is collected up to 32 and his run ended at 40 so there needs to be one more trade. This storyline is all about his twin brother . The missing ones are Grant Morrison and Neil Gaiman's that are collected in Rare Cuts and Neil Gaiman's Midnight Days. He also wrote the original graphic novel Pandemonium
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Sep 4, 2010 06:10
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Do you think that this restructuring is going to cause some Vertigo titles to be canceled? I really hope that nothing happens to Hellblazer.
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Oct 2, 2010 03:19
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SkellingTon Loc posted:I know this is an old hat, but it kinda sucks that the different author runs on Hellblazer aren't numbered. I got The Gift not knowing that it was the last book on Mike Carey's run and I was hella confused. Still enjoyed it, though. I have a better question. Why aren't they finishing Delano's run? Why aren't the releasing the rest of Ennis's run? Where are the Jenkin trades? They really need to rerelease the out of print trades, one shots and fill ins that are not released like the Aaron New Castle story.
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Oct 19, 2010 22:50
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Pyros posted:Mina's run was pretty bad, but Azzarello's Hard Time nearly put me off Hellblazer. It stripped Constantine down to "Badass who can use magic to do anything, anytime", which (to me) seemed like Azzarello really missed the point of his character. Do not forget the Dog porn. You are suppose to have hosed up things happen but it just seemed that that was done just to be edgy.
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Oct 20, 2010 00:20
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dvorak posted:So how does everyone feel about John Constantine's visit into the DCU? Basically as long as we still get Hellblazer, I'm totally cool with it. Well he did start in the proper DCU, but apparently there will be two Johns. One is going to stay in Vertigo and the other is joining a Justice League team that fights supernatural threats. Both books will be written by Peter Milligan buty who knows what will happen once he leaves.
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Jun 28, 2011 16:30
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UncleMonkey posted:They were just bringing a bunch of Vertigo characters back into the DCU is all. But those characters can still exist in their Vertigo incarnations. The two universes are still completely separate from one another. It's the same as have a Marvel 616 Frank Castle and a MAX universe Frank Castle. The only books I am getting from DC are Legion, Hellblazer and Justice League Dark.
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Jul 4, 2011 00:38
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WickedIcon posted:So, where should I start with Hellblazer? I'm mostly unfamiliar with it aside from Constantine's appearance in Sandman early on (which is what prompts me to check the main series out) and the awful movie which I understand has very little to do with the books. Original Sins is awesome
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Sep 25, 2011 00:56
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Dickeye posted:I love this question. I find Delanco to be the second best run. I love it.
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Sep 25, 2011 03:39
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Pyros posted:This was my biggest problem with Azzarello's run. Previously, whenever Constantine used magic, he needed to prepare, do some research, make a deal, or something like that. Or if he had to do it in a rush, something usually went wrong and there were repercussions. In Azzarello's stuff, John was magicing himself out of all sorts of situations with the slightest wave of his hand. Constantine was in Sandman and then Lucifer is a spin-off of that.
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Oct 17, 2011 17:17
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IShallRiseAgain posted:Yeah, its kind of hard to establish a threatening enemy when they already defeated the evil warlord with a dimension spanning empire. Especially when said enemy was already defeated by that warlord. Not to mention most of the character arcs were wrapped up. The Israel thing and abortion thing were really unnecessary and really shoe horned. Also the idea that the society has no taxes and it survives just based off donations.
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Oct 21, 2011 09:15
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ParliamentOfDogs posted:Every Vertigo series I can think of is set in its own separate universe except Sandman and Lucifer, but one isn't required reading for the other. Lucifer is a spinoff from Sandman, but it isn't a huge deal if you grabbed Lucifer first. Hellblazer, Books of Magic and Tim Hunter is all in the main Universe.
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Nov 26, 2011 16:50
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xK1 posted:Well you could technically make connections between Sandman/Lucifer/Hellblazer/Swamp Thing/Shade the Changing Man/Sandman Mystery Theatre and probably more that I'm forgetting that at one time or another were in the "main" DC Universe, but yeah, every series basically stands on it's own and you should only read stuff that sounds interesting to you. Someone who like Y: The Last Man might not necessarily enjoy Preacher, but almost everything is worth checking out at least the first collection of. I am not sure about Shade, but since Hellblazer, Sandman, and Swamp Thing all made appearances in the main universe and since Morpheus appeared in Green Arrow and Sandman Mystery Theater.
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Nov 26, 2011 16:53
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Shameless posted:Shade's an old Ditko character. He definitely was main DCU. And he's recently been in Hellblazer so there's a connection there too. Ah I need to get back on the horse with Hellblazer. However, I am properly going to use all my extra cash to get the issues that have not been collected on comixology.
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Nov 26, 2011 17:26
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Black Lighter posted:He was in the COIE crossover issue of Swamp Thing, where he seemed to know just about everybody. I think he had a run-in with Batman in a separate issue, too. I think they kept him separate from all the capes once Hellblazer started, though. He banged Zatanna and had her at his 40, and he was in COIE. He is also responsible for Zatanna dad's death.
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Nov 26, 2011 20:48
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Sandman also said that. You went to the afterlife that you believed in.
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Nov 27, 2011 22:10
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StumblyWumbly posted:You're right, it is annoying. I was going to try to defend him because it can be tough to make a well written 'I'm not angry' statement. He wrote War Games
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Dec 5, 2011 06:21
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Hollis posted:DC should have patched things up with Alan Moore so he could adapt it , man has some experience with writing rape scenes. I am pretty sure it is impossible to patch things up with Alan Moore.
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Dec 28, 2011 02:20
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Nuns with Guns posted:The one vertigo title I hear people complain about a lot is Fables. Even then, it starts out nice enough, but Willingham didn't have the common sense to retire the series when the primary antagonist was defeated. It's been puttering around doing nothing for the last few years. Also when he sticks into his conservative beliefs like how great Israel is.
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Jan 29, 2012 07:28
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Soonmot posted:It was when Totenkinder was bragging about her increase in power to Baba Yaga. The sacrifice of the unborn was fueling her. Also the doctor asks Rose if she want to get an abortion and she goes off on him as that something that the non fables do. Also they have no taxes and survive off donations.
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Jan 30, 2012 05:08
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fnordcircle posted:Propaganda exists all over. Is the issue that you find his propaganda obvious to the point of detracting from the story or that you don't agree with it? This was the climax to the story 
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Jan 30, 2012 17:03
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Rhyno posted:Vertigo doesn't have a clear "flagship" title without Fables and it's spinoffs. Even if Willingham wanted to end it (he doesn't he knows he won't land another profile gig anywhere) Vertigo will convince him to stay on. All the other big series had an end in sight and the writers knew when to bow out. Willingham is like that party guest who just won't leave even thought everyone else is gone and you're ready to go to sleep. What do you call Hellblazer
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Jan 30, 2012 22:05
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Nuns with Guns posted:Even if you can tolerate Willingham's point of view, the slow death of the series is a bigger concern. That's why I mentioned the writing before Willingham's (repellant) personality and political position. All packaged together though, it's almost an interesting train wreck. Lets not forget he is responcible for War Games and Spoiler being tortured to death in it. Then when people complained about it he basicly told them to go gently caress themselves
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Jan 30, 2012 22:15
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Was Taters posted:I had actually heard that, too. Her death yes but he still wrote it and pretty sure he chose the method it happened.
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Jan 31, 2012 00:24
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Bitchin Kitchen posted:If Hellblazer didn't exist I wouldn't have gotten a single person to read a comic book. It's my favorite comic ever. When only a couple of runs suck you know you've got a great character. The Azzarello and Mina runs? Azzarello is a good writer it is just he did not have a good Hellblazer run.
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Feb 7, 2012 15:37
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Quantum of Phallus posted:True that, I remember I think it was his first one, one with a demon boar or something, was so bad I was trying to give it away. The story was incomprehensible. His first story was the prision one. He also had people making porn with dogs and had a gay Bruce Wayne.
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Feb 7, 2012 18:34
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redbackground posted:You should grab those 2 issues he did with Jason Aaron as well (245/246). Before you read those you should read Hellblazer 11. Actully that is one of the most important Hellblazer issues as it tells the story of Newcastle.
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Feb 8, 2012 16:27
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So I have gotten into Shade The Changing Man and due to DC's trade system being horrible I will reach a point were I will have to get the floppies. So my question is are any of them going to be expensive or will I be able to get them all at a cheap price?
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Feb 19, 2012 19:25
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Edge & Christian posted:Probably none will be expensive, but they might be hard to find. Everything up to the last year or so when the bottom fell out of the book/the industry in general can be found pretty easily for a buck apiece or possibly less. The last ten issues or so are pretty hard to find/'expensive' (like in the $5 range, not EXPENSIVE) Well luckily there is a convention coming up soon so hopefully I will be able to get most of them.
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Feb 21, 2012 20:09
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So what are the chance that John's nephew is either dead due to him or life is completly hosed up due to him?
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Apr 20, 2012 16:27
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Karnegal posted:Having only experienced Fables via the hardback trades, at what point(issue-wise) am I supposed to jump ship? Everyone here makes it sound like the series just goes straight to poo poo, but I don't think I'm there yet When they defeat the adversary
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May 6, 2012 05:44
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Holy poo poo looks like this is coming for the 25th quote:wenty-five years after one of the most celebrated graphic novels of all-time hit shelves, award winning and critically acclaimed author and screenwriter, Neil Gaiman, announces his return to THE SANDMAN. Gaiman made the surprise announcement, via video, at DC Entertainment’s Vertigo panel at this year’s San Diego Comic-Con. Karen Berger, Executive Editor of Vertigo, then revealed that Gaiman is paired with artist, JH Williams III (BATWOMAN) for the series, who appeared on stage to an already stunned and elated crowd. THE SANDMAN mini-series will be published by Vertigo in 2013.
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Jul 13, 2012 02:44
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Chairman Capone posted:Super excited for this, but I also hope it turns out better than Whatever Happened to the Caped Crusader. I expect so since Sandman is his baby.
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Jul 13, 2012 05:05
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friendo55 posted:Welp, this post here just made me wanna dive right into Sandman before the new material arrives next year. I can only hold off for so long. Sweet sweet absolutes. They are worth every penny. In fact I just doing a reread a couple of days ago before the news.
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Jul 13, 2012 18:57
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friendo55 posted:Yea we were referring to the Absolute editions as opposed to the trade paperbacks. 4 is the entire series. The fifth one is one shots and random stories
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Jul 13, 2012 22:19
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Kunzelman posted:I actually think quite the opposite--it has a rhythm to it that really, really workd compared to the overly-long The Kindly Ones that preceded it. What kinds of things were "crammed in" (you might want to spoiler it, I don't know.) Ya the three stories that make up Wake really work and it is a good wrap up to the series.
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Jul 30, 2012 19:31
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Mister Roboto posted:Reread the issue and pay close attention to the dialogue of the background characters in all the time periods, especially the modern versus the first. Also the whole point of the character is not that he doesn't die because he doesn't want to but Dream is a bit of a dick and due to his desire to have a friend he made him immortal. What he was saying humored him and that is why he is immortal.
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Jul 31, 2012 04:19
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StumblyWumbly posted:Except that a lot of people die well before their time. No that is what he says that makes him intresting to Death and Dream.
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Jul 31, 2012 15:45
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Mister Roboto posted:But that is the secret. The story starts with his semi misguided belief that people die because they ACCEPT death as inevitable. Dream takes him up on that claim, partially to challenge him to prove it. Dream asks him multiple times if he wants to give up his immortality (which is basically accepting his death), and, even at his lowest, Hob says no. He also makes the explicit point that he isn't any wiser and not that great a man: just a regular person who happens to like living. THAT's why he stays alive, because he doesn't want to die. He mentions kids and wifes have died throughtout histor and he still wants to live.
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NienNunb posted:I've been burning through the Sandman books and just got to A Game of You. I did some research and read a lot of negative reviews for it. Is it was bad as people say it is? It is very diffrent then all the other trades. It has very little Dream and it is a "girly" story. I found it to be okay. It introduces a very important character, has some good character moments and helps set up Death's miniseries.
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