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Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

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There's a song on their new album that has the singer telling people to go read a book.

Yep, now I remember why I don't listen to Pendragon outside of like 3 albums.

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Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Rust Martialis posted:

Imagine listening to this for a few hours...

"Afternoon practicing, waiting by the front door for a delivery. And then… Tiny Willcox of the Sneaky Toes twice crept up upon her husband, who was testing an approach to arpeggiation…"

https://www.facebook.com/robert.fripp.96/videos/3422347201114619/

https://www.facebook.com/robert.fripp.96/videos/3422351841114155/

 

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Genesis just put their whole Three Sides Live concert film on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMeTjDhFSO8

In high definition 悦ギア

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Seventh Arrow posted:

For the longest time, the only Fates Warning album I had was Perfect Symmetry and I didn't really care for it. I gave it a bunch of listens and it always came off as flat, mechanical, soulless. But I tried the more recent Theories of Flight and I really liked it. The songwriting seems much more animated, more interesting. So am I missing something with Perfect Symmetry? Do they have any other early albums worth checking out?

I'm the opposite. Theories Of Flight bores me to tears and Perfect Symmetry is like top-tier FW for me next to No Exit and A Pleasant Shade Of Grey.

Ray Alder's solo album from last year is a banger tho.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvzmK-X7SPw

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QKmOJl4GXQ

Unf.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
He's not taking lockdown well, is he?

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
If this track made it onto Falling Into Infinity it would've definitely been bumped up a few notches for me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKZkL4dL58Q

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Octavarium's an interesting album (2005). A lot of stuff either melded with modern UK alternative (Muse, Radiohead, U2) and old school 70's prog. Probably the last time they experimented to such a degree while staying memorable.

Something happened with following two albums where Mike Portnoy pushed for a more radio active rock sound and, uh... it didn't work.

Then of course Portnoy left, but except for the "return to form" that is A Dramatic Turn Of Events and maybe half of their self-titled, they've hit creative bankruptcy.










The Astonishing is an abomination Jesus loving Christ.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Eh. I think the guitar tone on their ST comes across better on the "audiophile" master of that album (drums do too).

Only way to get that though is to either re-buy it for $20 at HD Tracks / Qobuz / Tidal or something or like... pirate.

EDIT: Lyrics were unfinished, but the Moore-era arrangement of A Change Of Seasons is *chef's kiss*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWqtihQvDrI

Nightmare Cinema fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Aug 1, 2020

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Bandcamp recently did a piece on Zeuhl, and while I'm not much of a Magma guy I did discover these guys:

https://universaltotemorchestra.bandcamp.com/

SO good. Sounds like Second Life Syndrome-era Riverside with a female opera vocalist.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Hawklad posted:

The latest Ayreon and Pain of Salvation releases have left me a little disappointed. They're fine, but each felt like a step below their predecessors. What are some good new releases?

Not many.

It's the reason why I axed the prog format for my radio show and just went freeform; it's become increasingly difficult to find new prog that slaps.

I think it was that new Pendragon album that was the final straw for me. I'm not listening to anything where the singer's telling me to read a book.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Kazinsal posted:

"Rio" is definitely excellent for learning how to play bass fast and accurately without jumping headfirst into some insane prog bassery like YYZ.


I just put Images and Words on on my turntable and it amazes me how Dream Theater managed to find a vocalist who is absolutely phenomenal in the studio but has honestly never been that great live. I don't know if they just spent a mile of tape per verse in the 90s or what, but even "this is the best DT live bootleg EVER" recommendations from the Images and Words tour make me wonder why they chose James LaBrie.

DT was my first foray into prog metal and I still love them but holy Moses JLB is a studio man only. And it sucks because he's always had so much energy live and is a great frontman from that perspective but can't actually stay in tune.

Food poisoning is a bitch.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
I've only seen DT once in 2014 at Hammerstein Ballroom. They were... fine?

Idk, I couldn't really tell because that was some of the worst engineering I've heard at a show. The treble was so high that James sounded like a distorted chipmunk (I was able to somewhat discern what I was hearing after putting on some earplugs).

Also James forgot the lyrics to Lie which... LOL.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Idk he sounds pretty smooth on both Images and Awake.

Post that he's a mixed bag.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
He's good with his solo stuff (mainly since it's tailor made to suit him).

Derailing the DT convo with some Vangelis-related poo poo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMYILBkw2UQ

Mmm that goes hard.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
The Perfect Element remix sounds like a veil has been lifed from in front of my speakers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adgC9FoxLuM

LAWD

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Karfagen's boring as sin. I could make a joke there, but at the behest of modern standards and not being 12, I shall not.

black midi is the future of prog.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Spacegrass posted:

Yeah I'm not sure if Socrates Drank the Conium is officially progressive rock; but I can't get enough of them.

If Phos isn't a prog album, than neither is Songs From The Wood.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjbG19VgUCQ

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Warthur posted:

That video reminds me of some prog questions I'd been pondering:

- What's with Steven Wilson apparently working through the entire prog canon bit by bit remixing it?
- Are his remixes worth it? How closely do they reflect the original intentions of the artists? Do they risk shoving everything into his particular aesthetic?
- Are there some Wilson remixes which are worth prioritising and others not bothering with or are they all good/all hideous butchery of the originals?

Jethro Tull = GREAT!

Yes = GREAT!

King Crimson: ITCOTCK thru Islands = GREAT! Larks thru Perfect Pair = Too sterile, sound more like Porcupine Tree than KC.

Gentle Giant = GREAT! except for Octopus (too much low-end priority, not enough of the original's cold "bite").

Marillion = He's only remixed Brave, but his work reveals an anger within the album that was initially buried beneath, so GREAT! Also did a remaster (not a remix) of Misplaced Childhood that sounds great too. If only he did the rest of the Fish-era albums (the remixes for Script For A Jester's Tear and Clutching At Straws are Genesis '07 remix levels of bad).

Tears For Fears = Only did Songs From The Big Chair. Remaster = GREAT! Remix = Interesting??? It sounds very different since it utilizes multi-tracks that were still at full spectrum before the digital mixing stage cut the frequencies off at 20khz (a very 80's technique). Because of that, the remix doesn't sound like it's from the same decade at all.

Can't vouch for the rest of them, but he's done more hits than misses I think.

Nightmare Cinema fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Nov 18, 2020

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Glare Seethe posted:

Speaking only of what I've checked out on youtube, the Tull ones are kind of inconsistent. Some of it sounds good ("Songs from the Wood" as posted above is fine, for instance) but a lot sounds extremely weird to my ears. In many cases I feel like the instruments do sound cleaner, but that the individual clarity comes at the expense of cohesion.

A good example of this is "Kelpie", which is a bonus track off Stormwatch and one of my favorite JT songs.

Here's the original:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyR7pdLDz_g

And here's the remix:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1rcaL0fpio

To my ears, the remix completely and entirely sucks the life out of the song. It comes across incredibly stilted. It's almost sad to hear such a fun and energetic song sounding so lifeless.

Not everything is quite this bad, but yeah. My favorite JT album is Heavy Horses and I think it came out mostly unscathed but I still prefer the original remix. On that one I feel like the bass got unfairly nerfed, particularly on the title track but also elsewhere. Ultimately I didn't spend any money on these anyway and the originals are still available on youtube and for purchase (I think?) so it's all good.

I've not heard the Stormwatch one yet. Uh... wow.

That is an unfortunate left turn.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
It's one of the very few times other than Marillion's Brave where the remix renders the original obsolete. The original has some generic nu metal-sounding production (except not done by a professional so it sounds really thin).

The Remedy Lane remix was fine, but I always liked how that album sounded anyways so that was nothing more than an interesting experiment (also Jens Bogren mixes are usually more conjested sounding than I like). This on the other hand is a revelation.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
https://blood-music.bandcamp.com/album/timelessness

These guys sound like if Cynic, Dream Theater, and Born Of Osiris hosed in a Serbian sous-vide machine and had a bastard mutant kid no one knew about. It's making me feel like the black guy in The Shining as his eyes widen in bed.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Cygnus X-1 strand of weed confirmed.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Oh wow Arch Echo making strides.



They need to fire Hugh Syme. Cover looks like a lazy smash-up of Black Clouds and Dramatic Turns.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
These new Leprous songs are coming out to be really lame so far.

Like really, REALLY lame. Surprisingly so.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
I dig the guitar tone and Mangini sounds like he's allowed to be himself (finally). Some tight tasty interplay.

But my god do their lyrics get worse with every album. The first lines out of James' mouth I was already like "oh goddammit."

Also JP needs to stop with the soaring "Life affirming as gently caress" slow licks. Those worked between Octavarium and Dramatic Turn but now they're just overdone. Even the new Liquid Tension Experiment suffered a bit because of that imo.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Duke thru S/T is the soundtrack to cocaine

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Fish-era Marillion is something special alright. Hogarth-era not as much, but Brave hits pretty hard (especially with the Steven Wilson mix).

Pallas is some great neo-prog too:

https://open.spotify.com/album/7dDNkXsAVYRXi8zogb98WS

Twelfth Night is also some underrated poo poo, but it’s a weird case as they're incredible live...

https://twelfthnightuk.bandcamp.com/album/live-and-let-live-2021

...but suck the second you put them in a studio.

https://twelfthnightuk.bandcamp.com/album/fact-and-fiction-1982-studio-recordings

JAMOOOL posted:

don't even need an editor, just throw the 2nd LP in the trash

The Lamb Disc 2 has some great jams, although it'd comprise of not much more than a side total.

Though that could've been remedied if they weren't insistent on the anti-audiophile ritual of shoving 52 minutes into a single vinyl disc. Could've still filled out 2 discs nicely if it were Goodbye Yellow Brick Road length instead of like 100 minutes.

Lamb is still my favorite Genesis regardless.

Hammer Bro. posted:

e: Well, Genesis' Genesis was short but sweet.

Side 1 is one of the strongest halves of an album ever committed to record.

Side 2 is more of a mess, but whatever.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Wmg7Tq4Pk

More Dream Theater being Dream Theater.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

adhuin posted:

John Petruccis biceps is the frontman.

Fixed.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
gently caress.

Alright, so a majority of these tracks (minus Invisible Monster) compositionally sate the hell of my wank-interplay fix. The tones and everything too is "ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

Then James comes in and makes all that unlistinable.

He's not great usually, but I've never had this much of a problem with James before. The lyrical autopilot on display doesn't help either. The only 2 songs he doesn't actively ruin is Transending Time (which is a legit instant classic) and Awaken The Djent Master.

EDIT: I take it back every single track on here is insufferable.

Nightmare Cinema fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Oct 22, 2021

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

BigFactory posted:

The early stuff isn’t great music but their pop turn was way more extreme than genesis’

Next and Infinity are great.

Evolution sucks, Departure & Dream After Dream is drat good if you fuse the tracklist, Escape is mostly rear end and doesn't even have the best song from those sessions (La Raza Del Sol).

Frontiers is cock rock from front to back with zero prog but it’s a BANGER imo.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

BigFactory posted:

I was thinking of like the self titled one. It’s pretty boring but slightly proggy.

S/T and Look Into The Future are boring as sin.

Next kinda sounds like Rush.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
I've made a 180 with this DT album. Had some wings and beers then went on a night drive thru the Hudson Parkway with this blasting. loving love it now.

Has a velocity to it not heard since Train Of Thought/Octavarium (ironic considering the previous album is literally called "Speed" and that was a boring slog).

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.

Turbinosamente posted:

Is this the newest DT album you're talking about, the one they postponed the tour of?

Yes.

Tl;Dr version: Hated it a few days ago. All of a sudden I can't stop listening to it. Go figure.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Big Big Train can get a little too twee for my tastes, but when they hit, they hit.

David was an uncanny Gabriel doppelganger. RIP.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Me whenever I listen to Marillion's Misplaced Childhood.

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Still think the best IQ is their b-side material.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0txC8yJEqQ

Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
Those Fish-era Marillion albums have a Gothic darkness about them that's *chef's kiss*

Try out Pallas or Twelfth Night next. They too have a darker edge (which what I generally prefer from my prog).

Speaking of dark releases that cross into the neo-prog era, highly suggest Shingetsu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYOzmd-gdPk

Japanese Genesis rip-offs who only fleshed out one album, but it’s loving good ぶび員

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Nightmare Cinema
Apr 4, 2020

no.
I just bought PT orchestra seats and my wallet hurts.

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