Crimson Kings, Agriculturists, and Lightsabers - The Prog Thread

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Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Sears Poncho posted:

I don't know, I kind of like some of the songs on '...And Then There Were Three...'

Ok, I kind of like one song on '...And Then There Were Three...' (Deep in the Motherlode)

The whole album still has a pretty proggy sound to it, even if there is an obvious shift in song structure.

Yes, my point was they were still prog on ATTWT but they were moving into the neo prog direction by that point.

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Also I don't really think can include King Crimson in that 80's pop prog thing, there is definitly an '80's King Crimson' sound, but we aren't exactly talking about 'Owner of a Lonely Heart' here.

Songs like Frame By Frame, Three of a Perfect Pair, and especially Heartbeat come very close. 80s Crim is very 80s pop / new wave influenced. It's still prog rock, but not the kind we saw in the 70s. This is neo prog. Adrian Belew brought a lot of his Talking Heads influence to the band and Fripp and Levin were also fresh off of recording albums for Peter Gabriel who was also adopting the neo prog 80s pop / new wave sound. To top it off Bruford had toured with Genesis after Phil Collins took over on lead vocals so I'm sure he brought some neo prog influence as well, especially after seeing how successful the band became with Phil on lead vocals.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 03:00 on Apr 11, 2013

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# ¿ May 19, 2024 11:16

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

LordPants posted:

I listened to Moving Pictures and I decided I don't really like Rush very much. So I go "well, I guess I should listen to some of their 'bad' material to be sure."

Turns out I really like Caress of Steel. Very strange.

In other news I was listening to Opeth's Deliverance on spotify and realized that I bought it new in a record store after hearing it on the radio.

I didn't even know Caress of Steel was considered one of their "bad ones" it's a favorite of mine personally, though not as good as 2112, A Farewell to Kings or Hemispheres. Rush is another band (like Genesis) who didn't really hit it big until they went neo prog in the 80s. Their pre-Permanent Waves stuff is pretty much old school prog (with a heavy metal tinge), but with Permanent Waves and Moving Pictures they made their songs more radio friendly and adopted a bit of a new wave influence and had much more success. But Rush didn't alienate as many of their older fans because their change wasn't as drastic (as Yes and Genesis) since they were always a little more accessible than their British peers, and they were late comers to prog. They also maintained their metal influence throughout their career so they managed to hold onto most of their their old fans throughout 80s and 90s and are still pulling in huge crowds at their shows to this day.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 07:56 on Apr 11, 2013

# ¿ Apr 11, 2013 02:52

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Iucounu posted:

Nah, he just decided not to do any more ELP.

ELP is one of those bands that is great when you first here them, but the albums don't hold up as well on repeated listenings. Still, their first five albums are great, I was surprised he didn't do trilogy or brain salad surgery.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 10:40 on Sep 23, 2013

# ¿ Sep 23, 2013 10:36

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Just saw Steve Hackett and it was incredible. He has a great lineup playing nothing but classic Genesis tunes. They were even better than the Musical Box. It's really cool hearing some alto sax in some of those classics. They also really spiced Los Endos. Great show.

# ¿ Sep 28, 2013 07:41

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Prog Doctor posted:

Starless would be great!
One More Red Nightmare
Epitaph
Cat Food
the "Prince Rupert Awakes" section of Lizard

I'd love to see them do the whole Lizard. That battle section is sick. Have they ever done the whole thing live?

# ¿ Oct 1, 2013 14:46

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

I'm surprised that, with all the good soundboard recordings they obviously had, they went with the lovely recording on Earthbound for their first official live album. It sounds like a bootleg recorded from some dude with a portable cassette recorder in the audience.

# ¿ Oct 3, 2013 17:03

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Rust Martialis posted:

Off to see Hackett do Genesis Revisited tonight in for no apparent reason, Belleville ON.

I saw him in Westbury, NY. 4 Standing ovations in one show. Definitely one of the best concerts I've ever seen.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2013 16:33

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Iucounu posted:

This has actually been in the works since just after the film came out. I don't blame him, while watching the movie I repeatedly though about how similar it was to various Dean covers (the floating islands in particular).

Yeah, I remember hearing about it then too, but didn't know anything came of it. These are the paintings in question:

There are definitely similarities, but I don't think he can prove that they out and out copied his paintings. His floating islands look very different from the ones in Avatar, and I'm not sure he can claim ownership over the idea of depicting floating islands and arched stone pillars.

Still, I do wish him luck. I'm a fan of Roger Dean and have his posters all over my room. I think he deserves some acknowledgement though since they were very likely inspired by his paintings. I don't think you should be forced to pay someone damages because they inspired you though. But if they don't acknowledge the inspiration of the original artist, then maybe some compensation is in order. But not 50 million.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Oct 8, 2013

# ¿ Oct 8, 2013 18:14

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Personperson14 posted:

John Wetton always felt like a shittier Greg Lake to me in terms of singing. Guy's a crazy good bassist though.

Boz was awesome though, Like if he could of sang and Wetton could of just been on bass that would be amazing.

John Wetton sounded like a 50 year old Greg Lake in the 70s. But unlike Lake, his voice improved with age.

Speaking of Greg Lake, I just stumbled upon this great talk he gave on the Moody Blues Cruise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MggmyX9Yfmg

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Nov 4, 2013

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Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaDfQxD4tYM

Lake sounds so much like Wetton here.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2013 13:38

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Misogynist posted:

The new Sky Architect album dropped a couple of weeks ago and it's my tentative contender for album of the year. Here's a shorter song (much shorter than the 18-minute opening track) that they made a video for:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3WCJabGRoE

This song has a pile of Storm Corrosion and Heritage-era Opeth influences on top of their normal sound, and a video obviously influenced by Lasse Hoile's work with Porcupine Tree, but the album as a whole runs the gamut from space rock and heavy prog through some more eclectic stuff that's reminiscient of VdGG and King Crimson. It's on Spotify for anyone interested to hear the whole thing.

I'm playing this album on my radio show now. Kicks rear end! http://www.wusb.fm Epoch is the name of the show.

# ¿ Nov 25, 2013 11:22

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

A few female artists that have some prog leanings or prog relations:

Kate Bush, Tori Amos, Sandy Denny, Joni Mitchell, Laura Nyro, Sally Oldfield, Bjork, Laurie Anderson, Yoko Ono (say what you will about her but she's definitely art rock)

Also, what about bands like evanescence or within temptation? Kind of a modern symphonic prog with female singing leads. I thought this song was by renaissance when I first heard it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn49NpOgfnI

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Dec 10, 2013

# ¿ Dec 9, 2013 07:08

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Allen Wren posted:

No, really.

Also either you're deaf or trolling, you could not have possibly thought that that sounded anything like Renaissance, come on.

When I first heard it on my college radio station way back in 1999, I thought it was from the 90s renaissance lineup (which was Michael Dunford and some other chick). I think it was called "The Other Woman". Up to that point I had only heard bits and pieces of "The Other Woman" so I couldn't tell. I could tell it wasn't Annie Haslam, but it had a sound like they were going for the old Renaissance sound. I never said it was as good as classic 70s Renaissance, but it was reminiscent of it. Sort of like Blackmore's Night's attempt to recapture that sound, and being somewhat successful, but for the most part inferior to the original. Evanescence has that sound as well, albeit with more of an emo flavor.

# ¿ Dec 11, 2013 21:52

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Octy posted:

Hey, 'The Remembering' is a great track. Don't you go putting it in the same category as 'The Ancient' which has nothing going for it.

The Ancient has Leaves of Green which is awesome, and although that weird jam in the beginning goes on for too long I think it's pretty drat cool.

# ¿ Mar 9, 2014 18:59

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Declan MacManus posted:

If you're self-conscious about the music you like, Yes is not the band for you, because everything post-Drama is embarrassing on one level or other (and really everything after Close to the Edge has something to pick apart, Going for the One being the exception)

Very true. Pretty much everything after GFTO is either awful or a guilty pleasure for me. There are some diamonds in the rough though. Yes is such a strange band.

# ¿ Mar 10, 2014 07:46

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Nobody Interesting posted:

Awaken is a bit more than just a diamond in the rough, buddy.

Awaken's on GFTO though so it makes the cutoff.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2014 06:35

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Rollersnake posted:

Pro- or anti- Nursery Cryme? I'm very much pro- and slapfights are what being a progressive rock fan is all about, after all.

Edit: In other news, Gazpacho have a new album out in a week, and it sounds really promising from the trailer. IMO, they've yet to have a truly great album besides Night, but I'm feeling optimistic about this one.

Nursery Cryme is my favorite Genesis album.

# ¿ Mar 11, 2014 06:36

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Nobody Interesting posted:

To be honest I haven't heard all of GFTO and I only heard Awaken from the Yes 35th anniversary compilation CD. It's a pretty awful CD because it has Owner of a Lonely Heart on it.

GFTO is a great album, although I never much liked the title track. As for Owner of a Lonely Heart, I've grown to like it. It's a very catchy song and a great example of neo-prog likely inspired by 80s Genesis. Actually that whole album, 90125, is pretty drat good and heads above most of anything they've done since. I like parts of Big Generator, most of ABWH, I really dig a few tracks off of Union (which gets a bad rap, it's not THAT bad, definitely not the worst they've done), Talk was mostly pretty solid, KTA had Mind Drive, which was great, and parts of That That Is (which starts out great but goes on too long and wears out its welcome), Open Your Eyes was pretty drat bad, but there were a few catchy and fun songs on there, The Ladder had the title track and a couple other decent songs, Magnification had Dreamtime, and Fly From Here was okay I guess. Like I said, a few diamonds in the rough, but mostly embarrassing to listen to, although I admit that a lot of it is a guilty pleasure.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Mar 11, 2014

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Declan MacManus posted:

It's unfortunate that Yes isn't really that great at bringing the energy live. It's not unexpected, they're all like 70, but they used to kill live (Yessongs is fantastic)

I blame the obsession with everything needing to be in perfect tempo. Back in the 70s bands rarely ever played to a click track, and never did live. I'm not sure if they're playing to some sort of click nowadays, but sometimes it sounds like it. Back in the 70s a band like Yes could go nuts on stage. Sure it would get a little messy at times, but the energy was there. Nowadays it seems like every band has to play to a click of some sort. On good nights they can sound just like they did on the record, but it doesn't have that same frantic energy of 1973-74 Yes.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 01:16 on Mar 26, 2014

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Gimmedaroot posted:

I was introduced to Awaken in the best way (for someone who was too young to hear it when it first came out).

It was the 1991 Union tour, on my birthday, and the crowd was divided between ABWH fans and Trevor Rabin Yes fans. You could tell the way the applause was going, and the Cinema half of the band was getting a slightly louder reaction from the crowd. You had lots of AOR rock fans who just wanted to hear "Owner of a Lonely Heart", ABWH hippies, and young folks dispersed between the two. I was part of the teen ABWH fans who was getting into "classic rock" ever since Pink Floyd's 1987 return that starting infiltrating those concerts. Even tho I had heard tracks from Fragile as a little kid, and remember "Owner..." being played TO DEATH on MTV, ABWH was my real initiation to Yes thanks to the pay per view special I tuned in for their tour (the one on dvd now).

Back to the Union show: this one song, around 12 minutes long came on near the end of the show, and had the entire reserve section, lawn area, people wandering around...everyone was collectively blown away. During the organ and harp slow instrumental section, the lights were flickering us in the face like someone casting a spell on the entire crowd. I can't even describe it. It was the only song I didn't recognize.

Thankfully this old hippie told me on the shuttle bus back to the parking lot that it was "Awaken". I was glad to see it on the YesYears box set. All 8 members of the band were giving their all, and was the one song where it wasn't a competition, but a true band working together. The applause seemed to go on forever.

I think it converted many people because when the Talk tour happened, and I found out that Howe, Bruford, and Wakeman were not in the band anymore, I wasn't interested. I hated the production, and even tho it was more prog than anything Rabin had done with the band, they ended up playing to empty arenas because so many people were exposed to BWH. Rabin realized this and quit Yes. I was ok with this, and was ready to see Bruford on King Crimson's Thrak tour (in my top 5 best shows of all time).

My sister saw the Union concert, but I was too young and missed out

. Her BF was a big Yes fan and had seen ABWH in 1990 and said it was the best concert he had ever seen. I remember him saying that he liked the ABWH concert better because they played CTTE, but honestly, I think I would have preferred to see the Union lineup play Awaken. Going by the version of CTTE on An Evening of Yes Music Plus, I was a little disappointed. It didn't have the same energy of the Yessongs version. Mind you, I never heard a version with Tony Levin on bass so that might have been different. Awaken, though, is a powerful piece, and version on Keys to Ascension shows that Yes was still able to do a killer version of it live late in the 1990s.

Union really was a missed opportunity. If those guys could have gotten their act together it would have been a great album. The songwriting was really strong on the album, but it feels like the whole thing was rushed and the production was weak. If they trimmed some of the weaker tracks and developed the good tracks more (I Would of Waited Forever and Miracle of Life could have been turned into big prog epics if they worked on it a bit) I think the album could have been great. The concert was the best part though, and it's a shame that lineup only lasted one tour. Yes as an 8 piece live act really does work.

# ¿ Mar 28, 2014 03:13

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Gimmedaroot posted:

That's too bad. I was most stoned than I had ever been in my life (which at the time is saying something...think Smokey on "Friday"). But my seat was second row center, and it was one of the loudest shows I've ever been too as well. I understood what the original KC lineup meant when they talked of their first US show back in 1969. The audience was tripping and expecting "King Curtis" and some happy soul music. KC opened with Schizoid Man, and Fripp got the impression of the audience being "crushed". I felt like that myself.

There were two rows of musicians on the stage:

Back (elevated) row: Pat M. Fripp Bruford
Front row: Gunn Belew Levin

New rhythm section to our left, old rhythm section on the right, Belew front, Fripp sitting what seemed very high and in the dark.

The first two rows of seats were those of us in our teens and twenties. We baffled the older folks sitting behind us who kept asking questions of how we had even heard of King Crimson. The California Guitar Trio opened, and were amazing.

It was in a theater, so the acoustics were perfect. The light show was mesmerizing. At the end, Belew and Fripp were laughing onstage after taking their bows, and someone from the audience threw a shoe onstage before they left.

Bruford played drums and percussion just like on the Yes tour, with Pat taking the very basic rhythms. The difference was Bruford's enthusiastic playing in Crimson, where he just went thru the motions for Yes (very well tho).

I was so glad they put out that same show from the soundboard tapes for sale on Fripp's website. It sounds better than I remember. Crowd was very weird, to say the least. Hippies, alt rock kids, some annoying Italians in dark suits from NYC heckling the audience, cool but swanky jazz folk, uptight but swankier people in tuxedos, and guys who looked like truck drivers smoking weed.

I saw the double trio too, not quite front row but pretty close. I remember seeing Robert sitting in the back, barely noticeable. It was really quite cool. I was a little disappointed that they didn't play any of the old stuff (the only songs from the 70s they played was Red and Lark's Tongues in Aspic part 2), but it kicked rear end anyway. At the time I loved the Thrak album, but wasn't too hot on the 80s stuff (which I only knew of from the sleepless: the concise king crimson compilation). That concert changed my mind. Now Discipline is one of my favorite albums. It was a very loud concert, I remember my ears ringing afterwards.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Mar 28, 2014

# ¿ Mar 28, 2014 03:30

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Gimmedaroot posted:

I started with Discipline, then completed the 80s trilogy and my first fall semester of college, they were releasing the "Definitive Edition" cds. I started with Court, and went in order. I couldn't believe this band wasn't big. They battle Pink Floyd as my favorite band. A year after that, I got to see the League of Crafty Guitarists. Fripp liked our crowd so much, he invited us to stay for the second show for free (with a hand wave, he did request that I sit down because I was applauding so enthusiastically). I really wanted to take those courses. I could've been Trey Gunn!!! But college came first.

As for Yes, that ABWH live concert was my introduction, and I was jumping up and down recognizing songs from when I was a toddler. I couldn't believe that was the same Yes that MTV played constantly until our eyes bled. I noticed the music was spacey and ethereal; and wondered if they had anything to do with Pink Floyd and the newly discovered KC. That was how I made the prog connection. ABWH seemed to really be enjoying themselves on that tour. The Union tour was miserable for Bruford and Howe. But I agree: a true 8 man Yes band that wrote and worked together would have been something. According to Wakeman, although it was his favorite tour, he learned that the plan all along was to get Jon back into Yes, and dump BWH. Typical Yes dirty business/politics. Another ABWH tour would've been awesome with a bigger budget. Imagine the Roger Dean stage they could have had! Not too crazy about the 2003 painted inflatables...

I remember it was up in the air for awhile. The ABWH lineup released that symphonic album in 1993 so it seemed like there was a still a chance of ABWH coming back. For awhile it seemed like there were two Yeses: YesEast (ABWH) and YesWest (Rabin lineup). My sister's boyfriend called it YesGood and YesBad. Jon was the only member in both lineups, but then there was talk of Wakeman and Rabin working together. Perhaps another Union album? Nope, we got the 80s lineup with Talk. I remember my sister's BF was pissed because he hated the Rabin lineup and wanted to see ABWH again. He refused to buy Talk and it wasn't until many years later that I bought the album. I have to admit that I actually liked it quite a bit, but I actually like Rabin's guitar and songwriting style. I don't much like his voice though, he sounds too much like a generic 80s hard rock singer. After that, Talk sort of fizzled out and Yes went back to their classic AWWHS lineup with Keys to Ascension. I remember this being a dream come true ... until Open Your Eyes came out. The Ladder and Magnification were good though. Yes is such a strange band, it's the only band I know that had two versions of itself competing with each other. The fans were divided too. It was kind of like rooting for your favorite sports team. That Union concert must have been a bit like a Yankees/Redsox game. Nowadays no one really cares and the band's lost a lot of their popularity but in the early 90s Yes was really popular and the fan-base was at war with each other.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Mar 28, 2014

# ¿ Mar 28, 2014 05:36

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Phish is prog/jam rock. Especially their early albums. There's a lot of Yes, Genesis and even some King Crimson influence in Phish. Just listen to songs like Fluffhead/Fluff's Travels (especially the studio version), Reba, Stash, Guyute and Dave's Energy Guide, not to mention the whole Rift album.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Apr 1, 2014

# ¿ Apr 1, 2014 01:28

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Declan MacManus posted:

I would say the bulk of their music isn't really prog. Funky, sure, and they can get atmospheric, but they're more interested in vamping which puts them into jam territory for me.

And if we're counting influences, does that make St. Vincent prog? What about John Frusciante? Polyphonic Spree?

Bands can be more than one genre. And if I had to pull a percentage out of my rear end, I'd say that Phish is about 35% prog. If you just go by their first albums Junta, Lawn Boy, A Picture of Nectar, Rift, and the unofficial Gamehendge concept album The Man Who Stepped Into Yesterday, I'd say they were about 80% prog. It's significant enough for me to consider them prog.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Apr 1, 2014

# ¿ Apr 1, 2014 02:19

Gianthogweed: Jun 3, 2004; "And then I see the disinfectant...where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that. Uhh, by injection inside..." - a Very Stable Genius.

Declan MacManus posted:

I tried reliving the good ole days from middle school and I just got bored; here is Matt Bellamy singing high, here is Matt Bellamy singing real high, oop now he's loving with the fuzz factory

I dunno, it's just my opinion, and I haven't really listened to enough Phish to form a truly informed opinion (nor will I ever), I just know what I know, and what I know is that The Landlady and that one song that's really fast are cool and I don't really bother listening to any of their other songs on a regular basis

You're missing out on some great music. I'd like to send you a copy of Phish Gamehendge mix I made for my radio show that shows Phish at it's proggiest. It was New Years themed since it aired around that time. I'm not sure if it counts as :filez:

though, even though some of it was remixed and voice narrations were added by yours truly.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Apr 1, 2014

# ¿ Apr 1, 2014 11:35

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Gimmedaroot posted:

Just a piece for all the Yes/Relayer/Patrick Moraz fans. This is how he left Yes in 1976.

- Were you forced to leave or parting company was friendly?

Patrick Moraz:

Unfortunately, I was forced to leave. And even though, at the time, the split �was not made to appear acrimonious�, I suffered extremely and extensively. To be �asked to leave� so suddenly put me in a lot of turmoil and disturbance. The fact is, I was never compensated for anything. I never ever got paid for any of my tour participation in the extremely successful and extensive YES Tour of 1976, which comprised about 65 concerts, many of them in front of sold-out audiences of more than 100,000 people. After all, as a member of the band, I was entitled to a 20% cut from what the band was getting.
I don�t like to dwell into negatives, however, I can tell you that I had absolutely no desire to want to leave YES, at the time, in November of 1976. We had just finished the biggest tour YES had ever done, the �Bicentennial Tour�, a huge, extremely successful tour for YES. Somehow, it had been decided that we would go and record, in my own country, Switzerland, what became the album �Going for the One�, which we had extensively composed, developed and rehearsed during the course of 1976 (and even before that). There was no reason in the world for me to want to leave the band! Also, I understood, much later, that Rick was already in town, with his own crew, when I was still in the group, and I was still part of YES.
In addition, it was an extremely complicated and difficult situation for me to be stranded, on the street, with my baby daughter who was only one-month old and her mother, without any transport or money, in the cold winter of Switzerland. Then the fight for survival to stay alive, it all became surreal.

Wow. Him and Peter Banks really seemed to have gotten screwed over. At least Kaye was brought back into the fold when they were making millions in the 80s. In the case of Peter Banks, I think his firing was necessary for their success. Pete was a great guitarist and musician in general, but the band really needed Howe if they were going to keep their record deal. The Yes Album has Howe all over it, and you can really tell that he changed the course of the band forever. Replacing Moraz wasn't as necessary despite the fact that Rick Wakeman is the better keyboardist. I'm surprised they never compensated Moraz for the tour though. That's a real dick move. Relayer and 74-76 tours was Yes at their most energetic and frantic too. I love that period. The Mars Volta reminded me of Yes during that period.

Allen Wren posted:

I hadn't heard anything about Bruford's time with Genesis; I always assumed it went poorly since he skated basically immediately.

Bruford had a great time with Genesis. But from the beginning he told them that he was only interested in doing one tour. Bruford is the kind of guy that leaves bands after he feels they've accomplished all that he wanted to accomplish with them. That's one of the reasons why he left Yes right after he made his favorite album with them (CTTE), and why he was against getting the 80s King Crimson lineup back together.

BTW, here's a really interesting lecture the Bill Bruford taught at the malmo academy of music:
http://youtu.be/EJd59a47ewY

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 06:17 on Apr 3, 2014

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Declan MacManus posted:

I've never read what Bruford and Wakeman have had to say, does anyone have a link to that stuff?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPsGfhQpUWg

Also, from the book "Yesstory" Bruford stated that it was the only recording he ever worked that he actually hated. Wakeman calls it the onion album because it makes him cry. He had to get several copies of the tape because every time he tried listening to it in his car he wound up throwing it out the window. He hated "%100 of the keyboard work on the album". Howe really only liked masquerade and felt like the the other ABWH songs could have been much better if they were given time to work together on it.

Steve Howe was always a hero of mine, and I met him in person once, a really nice guy, very grateful to his fans and not above spending time to talk with them. But then there was this incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WCkoRmcXH8

It's kind of sad that there's so much negativity from a lot of the ex-yes members. That Jobson story was pretty brutal. Jonathan Elias seems a little suspect though. I never got the sense that Jon, Rick and Steve couldn't get along. It seemed like ABWH, at least, was a very successful project and that the stuff they were working on for the second album (that was later turned into Union) was very promising. And him saying that they couldn't play their instruments anymore? They had just come off of that enormously successful ABWH tour where all the members were arguably at their peak performance-wise. More likely is that the album was just being rushed and they weren't too thrilled with it becoming "Yes" all of a sudden.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Apr 8, 2014

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Declan MacManus posted:

Is the Peter Banks stuff getting remastered? I can't find any information on it and that's always the most overlooked period of Yes.

Also I went back and listened to ABWH and while they're better than the Rabin incarnation of Yes, it's not... great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUjsSgIUoHQ

Rick Wakeman is using default patches on that keyboard or something because it sounds dated as hell and Howe has like zero energy. Jeff Berlin and Bill Bruford kill it, and Jon Anderson and his voice are ageless. So I'd listen to 60% of this band I guess? (I absolutely would have listened to a Jeff Berlin/Bill Bruford/Jon Anderson supergroup)

I wish there was a video recording of them with Levin. It would have been cool seeing him and Bruford jamming out with those long sticks on his fingers. I do agree though, ABWH wasn't as good in hindsight. The best part of the concert was the opening with all of them doing their solos going into Long Distance Runaround. But between Bruford's 80s digital drums, Wakeman's cheesy 80s keyboard sound and Howe's less energetic playing style, I'll take the Yes of 1969-80 any day over ABWH. But, at the time, it was awesome. The 80s sound didn't sound as dated as it does today and it was great hearing the old classics again after the overly poppy 90125 and Big Generator tours. A few more great things about ABWH live: They brought back the acoustic guitar opening to And You And I, and this may be the best Starship Trooper live version I've ever heard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKcWGDiC5oQ

Howe seemed to have some of his old energy back here.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Apr 19, 2014

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Attitude Indicator posted:

There really isn't much to say about Flower Kings in my opinion. They're talented musicians who make unremarkable and derivative prog rock. It's perfectly listenable, but I don't know why you'd want to.

Except for Roine Ztoltz zpecial way of pronouncing when he zingz, of courze.

A better band than Flower Kings (but in the same vein) is Black Bonzo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZfTGbajLM

# ¿ Apr 19, 2014 23:13

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Attitude Indicator posted:

I like this song, but the band has the same problem as a lot of other "modern" prog bands in that they just ape stuff from the seventies. When the genre started it was all new and about experimentation and not really setting limits for yourself and whatnot, and now it's 40 years later and people are just copying it. It doesn't really make it bad, but it definetly makes it less interesting.

I agree, but there's some good stuff that these new old sounding prog bands are doing that's worth listening too. It's sort of like listening to a new album from a jazz group. It's an old style of music that's not been popular for decades, but it's still good to listen to new stuff from an old genre. The problem is the label "progressive" since it isn't actually progressive anymore. Initially, progressive rock was meant to describe a way psychedelic artists of the 60s were pushing popular music beyond the standard 3 minute pop song to new frontiers. But in the mid seventies it became identified with a specific sound and after that it sort of grew stale and gradually loss its popularity. The same could be said of genres like new wave, alternative or indie. All of them started out as pop music that was outside the mainstream and pushing the limits of the rock genre, but they all eventually became identified with a particular sound and gradually lost their popularity thereafter. In truth any new uncharted genre should be considered progressive.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Apr 22, 2014

# ¿ Apr 22, 2014 16:27

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Allen Wren posted:

Jesus. People can throw around that kind of cash and here I am wondering if buying a car for a grand is going to bankrupt me.

In other news,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20xl9x8BhUM

whhhaaaaaaatttt

E: Oh my god "wrap my soul in cellophane/dry my secrets in the rain" is an actual line in this song OH MY GOD.

Never thought I would like a winger song, but I have to admit the main riff is pretty cool. Still pretty lame when the vocals come in though.

# ¿ Apr 25, 2014 05:24

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Jethro Tull had a great run from 1968-1979. One album a year, all fantastic. After that it's been very hit and miss. Nothing really stands out at the same level as the 70s stuff. It's a shame.

# ¿ May 6, 2014 18:11

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Laputanmachine posted:

My feelings exactly. The only later album that almost gets on the same level as a whole is Crest of a Knave, but many other albums do have the occasional cool song here and there.

JT has also had many really somewhat underrated, but loving great musicians, such as Martin Barre (lead guitar), John Glascock (bass guitar) and Barriemore Barlow (percussion). Just listen to Songs from the Wood and Heavy Horses, where all three of them are in the band, not to mention late 70s live recordings. Great stuff.

Actually I haven't been following Tull or Anderson for many years due to life and all sorts of circumstances happening. I just listened to Enter the Uninvited from Homo Erraticus and it sounded kind of j-tull-dot-comish. I've yet to decide if this is a good thing or not. I also noticed there's some sort of sequel to Thick as a Brick and it kind of set off some alarms. Artist revisiting some of his old material and rearranging it to something else rarely goes well.

TaaB2 is a whole different album with only a few references to the original. I bought it and enjoyed it. Nothing really too bad on it, but nothing that great either which is how I view a lot of the post-seventies Tull. I enjoyed reading the lyrics and getting into the concept of the album, but it's not the kind of CD I would listen to again and again like the original TaaB. It's just not as melodic and pleasing to the ears. Ian's weaker voice is a big part of the problem. His range is so limited now, and he seems to run out of breath very quickly when he tries to hold out longer notes. He even brought in another singer for certain parts, and honestly I wish the new guy sang most of the leads. It sucks because I loved Ian's voice from the older albums.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 14:40 on May 9, 2014

# ¿ May 9, 2014 14:37

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Attitude Indicator posted:

It's probably because it's dreadful, but so is later Genesis. I'm just saying that's okay. The stuff they went on to do doesn't interest me, better that then them making foxtrot over and over 'till the point of tedium.

I used to agree, but I've come to warm to 80s/90s era Genesis and Yes. But Genesis lost me after We Can't Dance, which, in itself, was a bit of a snore-fest, still way better than Calling all Stations though. On the other hand Yes still had moments of brilliance in the 90s that I feel they didn't get enough credit for. For example I just listened to the Union album for the first time in over a decade and found myself enjoying it quite a bit more than I used to. Sure the 80s cheese was still in full effect, but the songs were actually really good, and there was some great instrumental jams that I wish were extended a bit more. Honestly, the most annoying part of the album was Jon's vocals. He was still in his 80s "sing the same high note loudly over and over" phase. I always liked his voice better when he was singing more softly and more melodically. He tended to shout too much in the 80s and 90s. But instrumentally the band was still awesome. There's a lot of cool things going on behind the vocals that I overlooked the first time I listened it, and it was cool hearing a mix of the ABWH sound with the Rabin sound. Howe and Rabin actually complimented each other well, and this coming from a guy that used to hate anything that had Rabin on it.

edit: Saving My Fart still sucks though.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 14:08 on May 17, 2014

# ¿ May 17, 2014 13:48

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Anae posted:

Hi Prog thread! I've got a kind of fun request for you.

I've been asked in a month or so to DJ at someone's party. This person is ~60 years old and so far the brief I've had is 'David Bowie, The Doors, etc'. These artists might not slot quite so neatly into 'prog rock', BUT I would hazard a fairly safe guess that the denizens of this thread know a lot about that area of music - that is, classic rock on the weirder druggier end of the spectrum. I'm guessing 'etc.' covers mostly the standards: Pink Floyd, The Who, and so on.

I'm very happily going through a whole bunch of classic albums in my collection, but the vast majority of tracks really don't work for a party kind of setting. So, my question to you is: if you were putting together a playlist for a party where the brief is classic rock along those lines...what would be your absolute must-haves?

Prog music isn't something you typically play at parties where people are expecting to dance. That being said, there's some good dancy-type prog that you can play that will get people moving. The Doors is sort of proto-prog acid rock, but LA Woman usually gets people dancing. Fusion bands like Chicago and Blood Sweat & Tears, while not traditionally considered prog (but definitely prog related), has some great upbeat dance-able tunes on their early albums. Yes has a lot of good dancy tunes, Roundabout, Yours is No Disgrace and Owner of a Lonely Heart come to mind. I wouldn't go too deep though because a lot of the more proggy stuff is difficult to dance to. 80s Yes was a lot more dancy, but it strangely sounds a lot more dated today than the artsier 70s stuff. The same goes for Genesis with the exception that 70s Genesis is not nearly as dancy as 70s Yes. ELP's Karn Evil 9 is 30 minutes of upbeat fun, but the third impression goes pretty deep into nerdy scifi territory. Then you have more obscure bands like Kraftwerk that combined prog with disco. Some of it may a bit too strange for a party, but might be worth a try if you're crowd is into early electronic-type music.

Also, if you want to try out something a little more daring, check out a band called Nektar. "Remember the Future" may be the most dance-able 35 minute prog epic of all time.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 14:12 on May 17, 2014

# ¿ May 17, 2014 14:05

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http://youtu.be/f59EKHdeyKc
This video was the inspiration for my username. It cracks me up every time. I first saw it posted on a Genesis forums way back before youtube existed. It was the first video I saw of early Peter Gabriel era Genesis. Between Hackett sitting there so seriously finger tapping the hell out of that guitar, Phil Collins looking like Kurt Cobain on drums and a very girly (but cracked out) Peter Gabriel with his thong/jerkin or whatever the hell that is at 5:43, I was utterly taken aback, especially having grown up listening to these guys in the 80s and 90s and seeing them on MTV. MTV never showed this video though, lol.

# ¿ May 18, 2014 22:20

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alnilam posted:

^^^^ this reminds me, here's a fun topic I was thinking of:
What are some of the corniest prog bands that you still can't help but like? In other words, guilty prog pleasures. Because I don't know about you, but sometimes I just get in a mood where I want to listen to the corniest prog I know.

Here do I confess some of my guilty prog pleasures, in artist - album format.
Iluvatar - Children
IQ - Ever
Eloy - lots of Eloy actually
Spocks Beard - V
ELP - do they count as a guilty pleasure? I just never want to listen to them unless I'm in a corny mood.

May think of more as the day goes on, I just thought it'd be a fun discussion topic. Feel free to make fun and/or agree with these, and please list your own.

Pretty much anything any 70s prog band did in the 80s is either a guilty pleasure for me, or something that I just have have to shut off out of embarrassment. It's funny, because I have no problem blasting ELP's Karn Evil 9 for everyone to hear, but find myself turning down Invisible Touch so that no one knows I'm listening to it, even though I like the album.

I went through a Spock's Beard phase, and they were on my guilty pleasure list too for awhile. To the guy that mentioned Hawkwind's "You Shouldn't Do That", wtf? I blast this song loudly and proudly and even played it on my radio show. It kick's rear end.

# ¿ May 20, 2014 15:59

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Nobody Interesting posted:

Pink Floyd have had a website with a countdown going that just hit zero. It's nothing special, just a ridiculous 7-disc 1-LP boxset of The Division Bell with a bunch of art prints and poo poo that'll cost too much money.

Ain't even a prog album.

This seems to be the thing to do nowadays. Peter Gabriel did it with his So box set, King Crimson with their In the Court box set, and I think Pink Floyd did this with The Wall. Division Bell is a strange choice. It's a good album don't get me wrong, but certainly not one I'd pick for a 7 disc box set.

# ¿ May 20, 2014 16:02

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Allen Wren posted:

I started playing at about 27, so I've always been doomed.

27's still young. Really it doesn't matter when you start as long as you keep practicing and challenging yourself. I started playing guitar when I was 13 and stopped for awhile after I graduated college. I started up again a few years ago, and it's only in my thirties that I've gotten good enough to go out and perform solo live. I think I've gained more in these passed few years than I did when I started playing.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 03:29 on May 28, 2014

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Iucounu posted:

Tracks from Tales always seem to work better live, so check those out too. Especially Ritual from Yessongs, and The Revealing Science of God from KTE.

I think you meant Yesshows. Ritual from Yesshows is a beast, especially the drum solo. But I always liked the version from Yessymphonic best. The orchestra really works well in that song.

Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 17:13 on May 28, 2014

# ¿ May 28, 2014 17:08

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