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FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

This short cartoon sums up my life

http://www.businessinsider.com/cartoon-a-day-in-the-life-of-an-analyst-2010-4


Basically I get tasks dumped onto me that my managers (yes, plural, I have 3) don't want to do themselves, and they can't really describe to me what it is that they want me to do. I think I've finally figured out that it doesn't matter what I do as long as some bullshit is there, as incomplete or irrelevant it may be.

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FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

The women are always freezing no matter what. This is a big downtown office building, so the temperature in here is always constant year round. Because of this, I wear a short sleeve polo shirt every day, even in winter. The women ask me how do I manage? I say "I have a coat for when I go outside."

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

blugu64 posted:

Office work sucks, at least the instant coffee is free.

At least the free instant coffee tastes like mud and makes you poo poo so you get to spend a lot of time hiding out in the bathroom stall.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Oh good people are having an impromptu meeting right now next to my cube.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

melon cat posted:

Nice. Ever have them burst out in cackles while you're on the phone with a client, and when you ask them to keep it down they shoot you the dirty look?

I don't deal with clients, but I do sit right next to the room with the fridge/coffee machine/microwave. Every day someone is either burning popcorn, reheating rancid leftover fish, or some kind of curry.

Though it is better than when I used to sit near the door. Every time someone would walk through it, they would ask me where the person they were looking for was. I have no idea, I just come in the door and sit right down. There's 3 departments on this floor, I don't know most of them.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

I don't know what the big deal with jeans on Friday is. My haggar slacks are pretty comfortable. Big pockets, plenty of crotch room.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Astro7x posted:

Makes me wish I was a teacher... 15 weeks of vacation a year and starting salary is more than what I make!

Don't forget fully covered healthcare and retirement pension.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

FogHelmut posted:

Don't forget fully covered healthcare and retirement pension.

And the near impossibility of being fired. Forgot that one.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

babies havin rabies posted:

I believe there was a statistic published that claimed a fair amount of Teabaggers only have the time to protest "Socialism" because they got laid off and are collecting unemployment.
:ironicat:

Found it
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us/politics/28teaparty.html


A teabagger that I work with took April 15th off to go protest. I asked him why he wasn't going to work to be productive and helping the economy instead going and whining all day. He told me he was entitled to his vacation days and could do what he wanted with them.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

I have 5 weeks vacation this year, we get 3 standard and up to 2 from the previous year can roll over. 'Sick days' are separate and we allegedly get up to 30 of them. Then 2 floating holidays. Regular US holidays as well. A day off if you are closing on a house. They're pretty flexible about letting us work from home through the VPN connection if we have some poo poo going on there that we need to take care of.

However, we recently merged with another company, and next year are moving to a "payed time off" style thing, which just merges all of our days into one lump. This could be pretty lovely.




Solkanar512 posted:

So can I ask those who are reading this and are against unions, why? I promise not to jump down your throat, flood you with data or generally be a dick. I just want to hear why.

I'm not against unions but having worked in one before -- Union dues, union administrators, union bosses, etc.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

My girlfriend just got a low level corporate job about two months ago since she's been unable to get a job in her field (interior design) since graduating college in 2008 because of the economy and such. As a new employee, she is on a 3 month probationary period where she has no benefits or time off.

She asked to take a day off next Monday because she is flying home to California to surprise her mom for Mother's Day this weekend. She was going to take the day unpaid because she has no vacation days yet. Everything was fine. Now suddenly, poo poo is hitting all kinds of fans. She's being told she has to use a 'floating holiday,' she will get a 'penalty' whatever the gently caress that is, and will have to have a talk with her boss, who I assume okayed everything to begin with.

gently caress America, burn it to the ground.




edit- also her mom has cancer
edit edit - it's a rare form of blood cancer that I can't pronounce or spell, and they gave her 15+ years to live, and she's 60 years old as it is, so it's probably not as horrible as it sounds, but still cancer





vvvvv We should be so grateful that our god-kings allow us to even have jobs. It was a mistake for anyone wanting to see their mother on Mother's Day. She should stay here and take the penalty on her permanent employee record anyway, after a visit to the principal's office and a talk from the disciplinarian.

Just got a new job? Ok, let me turn my life over to them until they allow me to make my own decisions again.

FogHelmut fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 6, 2010

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Defghanistan posted:

Can we get a mod to change the name of this thread to "Reasons I no longer want to attend freshman college in America"?

Edit to the butt-hurt douche above me: Clearly that's a great reason to "Burn America into the ground." I think this thread could probably do without your crazy anarchist quotes that you copied out of a Twilight fan's notebook.


Take your American flag colored glasses off, bud. This poo poo is completely unreasonable by any human standards.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Defghanistan posted:

American flag colored...what? Where do you come up with this stuff? I am assuming you've never had any real -work- before. Ever worked in construction? Food industry? Anywhere people rely on you heavily on a day to day basis to maintain business?

Sometimes, in some industries, getting a day off is hard. I asked a restaurant owner for a day off once as one of two chefs and he pointed to the door. I took his advice and walked out of it.

But, ya know, let's just burn the entire country to ashes just because we're fat lazy goons.


Touche! However the thread is supposed to be about reasons I don't want to work in corporate, not reasons why I am so mad at mom and dad for making me live in the stupid USA.


I guess that's just the way it is. :rolleyes:


"I want a day off."
"Nope. Status quo."
"Oh well thanks anyway."



Seriously. Bull poo poo.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Defghanistan posted:

Dude I agree, really I do. It sucks, but not all jobs are equal and people do this poo poo because they know that some jerk somewhere will work for peanuts and never take a day off. Also, people are inherently lazy. Most people will just take this crap and never take the drastic change that is switching jobs.

Vote with your feet- get the eff out of the company. Easier said that done right now I know, but once things pick up and jobs start flowing easier again that will be a much more feasible option.



It's not me, it's my girlfriend. I'll be sitting at home eating Double Downs all weekend. I told my boss today that I was taking a half day tomorrow to go drive her to the airport and I got a big thumbs up.

It's just frustratingly absurd that these corporations will demand your soul and treat you like a child.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Anyone notice that when these threads get moved, you lose your bookmark?




Anyway, I do Sharepoint Wiki pages to document everything that was changed in our monthly builds. I started working on it yesterday, and you know when you work on things in Sharepoint it shows up on the main page as recent/new documents. So obviously I have been working on it as anyone can see.

I get an email from a manager (sent at 7pm last night by the way) asking me to create the build documentation.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

People cutting their nails in the surrounding cubes. Ugh.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Turnquiet posted:

So has anyone contacted a mod to get this moved back into GBS? Or is it more likely that our corporate jobs have left us all too conditioned to learned helplessness that we just try to get through the day without even making an effort to improve things anymore?

:smith:

The retail thread gets to stay in GBS. I dunno.


My job mostly consists of copying and pasting. I guess I'll go do some more of that.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

My girlfriend works for one of those companies that treat you like slave children. The air conditioner broke, and hasn't run since Friday. It's been 95-100 degrees every day with full humidity. They aren't sending anyone home. If they want to leave, it it going to come out of their "paid time off." Which is bullshit anyway, because "paid time off" includes vacation time and sick days, which is an insultingly small amount of time to begin with.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

My health coverage costs increased by 270%. My already high deductible went up. My company pays 50% less into my HSA.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

They gave me a Blackberry. :negative:

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Boss: "We need you to spend 2 days building and testing this thing."

2 days later

Boss: "That thing never was the plan, you need to build a new thing and it has to go live tonight. No need to test it. Also it's going to take you 6 emails to get this cryptic information out of me because I communicate in non-committals and non-answers."

:toot:

FogHelmut fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Dec 14, 2011

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

The Aphasian posted:

Does everyone in this thread work for an "evil" organization (pharmaceuticals, government, etc.)? I work for a lobbying organization myself, just curious if we are all complaining working for Lex Corp., Umbrella, Initech, and Cyberdyne.

(I don't think my company is evil, nor do I have it in for "Big Pharma".)


Management consulting. Other companies hire us to teach them how to screw their employees out of their benefits.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

All of the kissasses on conference calls and meetings, repeating what the last one said but phrased slightly differently so it sounds like they have something to participate with. And it goes around the whole table, one after the other. You sit there for an hour and nothing is said or done. The best part about this is when they start talking about something they truly don't understand, and none of the other kissasses have a clue either, but they all have to one-up each other making a generalized statement on it that has nothing to do with nor affirms anything.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Drink and Fight posted:

Sounds like you need to make use of http://sandperson.tumblr.com/

These are pretty funny.






New gripe: If there's a weird rube-goldberg workaround, no one wants to fix it right. It might be more work the first time to fix it right, but why do that when we can have 10 possible points of failure.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Welp, literally said the meeting sucked during the meeting.


Sitting on a conference call with 30 people while we go down a list of projects that are rolling out this week. Each person reads their project name and description that is written on the sheet. I am sitting there forever until my project comes up, I say my sentence, its approved. I thought I put my phone on mute and say to the person next to me "Jesus Christ, I had to sit here for an hour waiting to say three words."

"Uh, you're not on mute."

Nervous laughs from the audience in the conference room.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Lowest raise was the pay cut I took when they converted me from hourly with over time to salaried. I think it was a $4k pay cut, which for me was probably 7%. I still had to work the horrible hours, but was given comp time instead of money. Then they gave me a 2% raise the next year, which was the lowest actual raise. Glad the market crash and recession kept me stuck there for too long.

I got 10% switching to a new company, 18% the next year. Then 3% the following year. Then I switched to another job in the same company and got 7.5%. Then I moved to another job in the same company and got 12.5%. This year I got 3% standard again.

I have a recruiter telling me I'm worth another 30% on top of this, but that makes sense considering the cost of living is much higher around the area this job is located.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Got dinged on my review for rating myself "exceeding" (4/4) in every category. I was told it appeared that I was not taking the self review seriously. The highest I'm supposed to use is "achieving" (3/4), and mine stood out because no one else gave themselves all "exceeding."

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Weird because they hand out promotions in other departments like candy and I'm here 4.5 years doing a great job and my boss asks me why I want to be promoted so badly and can't answer what I'm missing or what criteria I need to meet to be promoted.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Eric the Mauve posted:

At what point in that 4.5 years did you begin devoting at least several hours per week to seeking a new job?

I work at home and my job is really easy and I'm paid decently. I'd have to commute and spend the whole day in the office. I've interviewed a couple of times over the years. One of the managers introduced himself as a "type A." :thumbsup:

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Lockback posted:

Wait, what is 1 and 2?

We do the

1-below
2-meets
3-exceeds
4-Outstanding

And if someone gave themselves all 4s I'd expect some really good reasoning as to why, but all 3s would be pretty expected (whether or not I'd always agree)

1 - Unacceptable Performance
Deficient performance. Consistently fails to demonstrate the appropriate level of competency-based behaviors.
2 - Developing/Needs Improvement
Inconsistent performance. Sometimes fails to demonstrate the appropriate level of competency-based behaviors.
3 - Achieving
Consistent satisfactory performance. Competency-based behaviors have been reliably displayed and occasionally exceeded, or has developed the competency based behaviors in a satisfactory manner.
4 - Exceeding
Significantly and consistently exceeds expectations of competency-based behaviors beyond their current role or has developed competency based behaviors in an outstanding manner.



I spent a few hours on this writing paragraphs and listing projects completed and details. They're really concerned about the number screwing up the metrics.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Does anyone collaborate at work? I don't even know what that is.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Barudak posted:

For "culture" I just ask honest questions about how they like to work, team structure, boss management, tools of first contact things like that so I have an idea of how the would work in a team and what we can provide.

Like Im hiring right now for a position where I've had to punt some people because they wanted micromanager high involvement bosses and the person they would be reporting into is 100% not that and cannot become that.

I once told an interviewer that I was fairly autonomous in the projects I worked on. They apparently thought autonomy was the opposite of what it is, and I was glad not to continue with further interviews.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

MJP posted:

I start today at a big-ish ad agency. I've never been in the advertising industry before. Any specific corporate quirks to watch out for?

My buddy works for one and its all politics and backstabbing and machiavellian poo poo. He's on blood pressure pills and recently got a weed prescription. loving blows my mind, but I've never been in a client-facing position.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

I got this cool job where I have a "manager" title and paycheck but I don't manage anyone and just do all the same stuff I did at other jobs when I was an analyst.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Cacafuego posted:

Right?!? After 3 days off over the July 4th weekend, I had >500.

175 is a normal day.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Yeah 99% of the emails are just the help desk feed for our accounting software. I just scan through to see if my name is mentioned if they kick something up to me. Otherwise if I miss it, they'll tell me at the weekly meeting, or if it's important they'll get me some other way.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Howard Phillips posted:

Any general advice for doing bare minimum in your current job while you actively seek next position?

Do what's asked of you. Don't volunteer for anything. Make sure you're wearing the required pieces of flair +1.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Tibalt posted:

Every year where in-office work isn't the norm is another year where remote work is the norm. And frankly, I don't think we're going to back to 'normal' before March 2022 - are we really going to go back into the office after 2 years of remote work? At what points does corporate inertia go the other way?

Lol, boomers will never retire or die.

FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

Tibalt posted:

Boomers have had two years of working from their hone office and walking their dog during the day like the rest of us.

And they can't wait to get the team back together. Just not the same without the chatter and energy.

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FogHelmut
Dec 18, 2003

So glad I'm not interviewing at this time


https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210727-the-rise-of-never-ending-job-interviews

quote:

That’s a question Mike Conley, 49, grappled with earlier this year. The software engineering manager, based in Indiana, US, had been seeking a new role after losing his job during the pandemic. Five companies told him they had to delay hiring because of Covid-19 – but only after he’d done the final round of interviews. Another three invited him for several rounds of interviews until it was time to make an offer, at which point they decided to promote internally. Then, he made it through three rounds of interviews for a director-level position at a company he really liked, only to receive an email to co-ordinate six more rounds.

“When I responded to the internal HR, I even asked, ‘Are these the final rounds?’,” he says. “The answer I got back was: ‘We don’t know yet’.”

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