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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
By "lowest rung" you've made sure to count receptionists, custodial staff, and other people who don't have meetings scheduled in all the time, right? Literally anyone else would be hosed by the assumption that you "check once in the morning" and then don't have to watch it like a hawk for poo poo being changed at zero notice.

ETA: I just realised how they'd "solve" that: tagging stuff as "immovable" so nobody else's calendar can change it for you. Which, obviously, everyone immediately does for their lunch hour and all the meetings either side of that and anything else that they deem sufficiently important. All of which they move whenever they feel like it, prompting everyone else to tag literally loving [i]everything[/i and we're back to square one but the dipshit who sold this software is richer.

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Awkward Davies posted:

Man I am really shooting my self in the foot working full remote. No one can tell I’m 6’2”.

(For real I wish I could go back to the office, like, once in a while).
Apparently people can tell if you are tall via webcam. My last employer informed me of this when I first met them in person.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Kyrosiris posted:

Nah, you'll get the right roles, on the right user... for the wrong table. :v:
In Prod.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

docbeard posted:

Back when I was in better shape I used to walk to and from an old job that was downtown (in the small college town where I used to live which had lovely at best bus service and I was at the time without a working car) and it was ideal, yeah.

I endured a 2-hour-each-way bus commute for years, more recently, and honestly it wasn't horrible since it could be naptime/gently caress around on the internet time, but I would never ever go back to that if there were any way not to.
I spent a while doing that commute while doing a 4x12/4 off rotation. It was hellish. I moved to a similar commute 9-5 job and that wasn't so bad.

Nothing beats the 30 second walk to my desk now though, especially when I can just go straight back to bed after verifying that poo poo's running.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

pmchem posted:

homer it
This is never the wrong call when you know some bullshit is transpiring. Just let them deal with it and get back to you if they care. You can politely turn them down later.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

pmchem posted:

progress reports in group meetings as bullying lol

i might have to crosspost that to the grad school / academia thread
Academia is bullshit enough to deal with, don't go riling that thread up by telling them things are less terrible in the corporate world.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Draw.io or whatever it's called now does well enough for most things I need so far.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Hotel Kpro posted:

We just went away from O365 and into google workspaces. I have an excel sheet I’m trying to open in workspaces and it just refuses to cooperate. If I want to to anything I have to find someone with a current license and get them to make changes
My new place is a pure Google house. It's terrible. We get passed Office documents all the time and have to throw them into Drive before we can open them and then deal with the bullshit of Gsuite not liking right click menus but still using them.

Jordan7hm posted:

I am struggling with my new job. I think I’m actually doing well (according to my boss at least) but it’s a combo of frustration with lack of accountability / ownership, disinterest in the day to day work, and no longer being viewed as an expert in anything by nature of the role being primarily BD. Plus probably the fact this is a new org and the first time I’ve had a single manager since joining consulting. The culture shock is way higher than I expected.

The title and pay make this the right choice no question but man I haven’t been this unhappy with work in a while. Coming back from the holidays was rough.
This is pretty much how I'm feeling, except I'm now being viewed as the expert in everything because everyone else here seems to be a complete newbie, communication is poo poo, and nobody really knows what we've agreed to do for any given client. While I've got a single manager on paper the company owner likes to micromanage if we're a few seconds slow replying to someone else on Slack :negative:

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Hotel Kpro posted:

I actually got something to open today in Sheets. When I went to make changes, it said I had lost access and needed to reopen with no changes, fml
Something that drives me nuts is the various google accounts I have for personal stuff. I have files stored on the "respectable" email address that I use for work, family, etc, and the spreadsheet that we used to track wedding thank you cards is where we also have all our addresses stored for throwing into maps when travelling around for Christmas. The account I use for my tablet is a different one that matches the username here and everywhere else, because I am that kind of old nerd. If I want to gain access to the file on my tablet I have to login to gmail via chrome, open drive, then get told I don't have permissions to access it on that account, request permissions from myself, go back to chrome, open the link in the email to grand permissions, have that redirect to the standalone app, and be told I don't have permissions all over again. It's not a problem at all on a desktop, and it's a pretty niche situation to find yourself in, but there's a reason I don't have the respectable email account logged in all the time on every device I own and it's basically unresolvable without doing that. A minor, but completely infuriating, problem.

mllaneza posted:

I don't do heavy duty spreadsheet stuff. I won't do a LOOKUP() every month. But gSheets works as well as Excel for everyone I work with. That does discount the scientists with weird Excel plugins to do molecule stuff, but other than them most of us just don't need Excel anymore. We went so far as to make not having Office the standard and your cost center gets charged for the license if you do demonstrate a business need. We went full-on Bill Gates' Netscape Nightmare on 130,000 seats globally. It's fine, gSHeets has been a 100% suitable replacement for 80% of all Excel users for a decade.

My advice for anyone having issues in gSheets, is do an import and convert and go native with the file.
I want you to try paste without formatting. To do this you will need to: right click, and select the "paste without formatting" option. You will then need to sit through the popup telling you that sheets doesn't do that, and to paste by using Ctrl+V. This then sets the hidden flag so that the next time you hit Ctrl+V it pastes without the formatting from the source.

If you are not pissed off at the end of this process then there's something wrong with you and you should try get the fire of youth back by buying a fast car or something.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Trabant posted:

I'm Excel4Lyf so I have zero intention of using Sheets, but can't you hit F2 (or double-click, if you're a savage) to enter the destination cell and then just paste? That will ignore source formatting no matter what.
Yes, but it only works for single cells, so when you're pasting a pile of stuff like suspicious URLs that you absolutely do not want to be clickable but which you do need to process in some fashion it's a pain in the hole.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
^^^^
Funnily enough the company owner who has decided that we should all use gsuite doesn't know that you can export to PDF from it. He keeps telling us to send it to him so he can use his Office subscription to do it for us :psyduck:

brainwrinkle posted:

You can paste without formatting with Control + Shift + V with Chrome or the Docs offline extension.
Does that extension exist for Firefox? A very quick search didn't turn it up and if the solution is "just use Google stuff more" I'm not going to be charitable in my response.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

brainwrinkle posted:

I couldn’t find anything for Firefox, sorry.
Eh, you tried at least. I guess it's not rational for me to be salty about trading one software monopoly giant for another, but I am salty about it anyway.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Renegret posted:

my crowning achievement was to be so boring and waste so much time during the leadup to this question that the meeting leader skipped it, but only for me.
In my most recent "ice-breaker" meeting I de-railed my "interesting thing" for so long that they never got around to actually doing the thing the meeting was for. I was pretty proud of that.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Threw a quick one together for myself. I feel validated.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
It obviously varies from role to role, but I keep seeing people trying to hire office-based penetration testers right now and I'm just :psyduck: at the idea. Is it literally just so you can justify paying rent on the office that lets you have a big fancy desk to show off to your staff? Yes. Yes it is.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Sundae posted:

I am honestly surprised how few people, even people around my age, understand anything IM-related or even basic internetty abbreviations. I set up an online meeting early last year, threw up a screen-share of a word doc that said "BRB in 5 minutes!" and then ran to the restroom, and came back to a bunch of people aasking in call-chat what BRB meant.

Then again, two of my coworkers yesterday were talking about Flappy Bird as if it was the hottest thing on the block. Pharma scientists don't seem to get out much?
Today I took a moment to explain to people what it sounds like when they say someone is "new to cyber" and how that relates to "ASL?". Since they were so very young and confused I took the time to explain other old terms like "PEBKAC", "PICNIC", "LART", "RTFM" etc.

I left my last job without telling the Data Protection team to stop calling themselves "DP specialists" on LinkedIn though, because I did not want to risk the conversation with HR that would ensue.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Democratic Pirate posted:

Yeah I take “real quick” to be “can you stop what you’re doing for <5 mins and do this?”
I tend to think it means both things. You want me to stop what I'm doing and do the thing that's fast. It will, however, not be fast at all.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Democratic Pirate posted:

Business Law dictates that “real quick” questions pop up only when the recipient is finally settled into a good grove on a work problem.
This, basically. But also my "real quick" tasks turn out to be stuff like a week of unscoped client work that we haven't got a contract for yet by CoB today plz.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Sundae posted:

Also, then this hopefully gets her out of her own early termination fee. She can't leave / quit without getting fined by her contract firm. She'd owe them a shitload of money if she quit on them.
What you've done here is identified specific damages she can sue your company for if she quits due to this, in addition to vaguer stuff like "loss of income" and "emotional damage". Plus as Motronic pointed out he's using specific language that indicates he knows what he's doing, so since that's on the record the company is going to be hard pushed to defend against it. Old dude needs to go.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

priznat posted:

I love the idea of the test being a choose your own adventure with the obviously wrong answers branching off into their own thing lmao
Gotta admire how on-topic the trainer was.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

priznat posted:

Oh drat it is so very very very important to not talk poo poo about people on company computers for several reasons and screen sharing is definitely one of them. I just save the smack talk to deniable discord handles and dead gay forums.
I'm looking forward to the day I get asked why I spend so much time in huddles on Slack. They're not going to like the answer being "I'm trying to work out if your entire revenue generating team wants to jump after less than a year or if it's just me".

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
It just seems like a good, simple, metaphor for the kinds of situations with a pissed off sales guy screaming "why can't you do it? They're both loving fruit!" while we all try not to laugh.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

priznat posted:

Aeropress rules but you will have to put up with the office wag who comments "hey what's with the chemistry experiment??" Every. loving. Time he sees you making coffee.
You fancy coffee types love the chance to talk about your weird machinery, don't lie :colbert:

So what's the spinny bit for?

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Jesus Christ, that's the darkest thing I've read in months :stare:

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Cacafuego posted:

The Reason the Office Isn’t Fun Anymore

The tl;dr is that many people that are now forced to come back into the office are seeking out the private pods and conference rooms, often staying in them all day and remaining in them for hours after zoom calls because they want privacy. They don’t want workplace collaboration and “office buzz”. Who’da thunk it?
Funnily enough I was seeing workplaces with "meeting pods" show up around 2018 so people didn't have to book a whole meeting room for a zoom call. Immediately before that I had a desk within two rows of the CISO and CTO and kept getting told to be quieter when saying things like "hey should I be able to access this server from here?".

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Yeah the place I'm in is basically using that logic, and the dev team championing the use of AI to write code don't seem to realise they've convinced the boss that they're dead weight.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Awkward Davies posted:

Man it seems like it might become helpful for developers to have some sort of group unit with which they could collectively bargain about stuff like this
The guy most in favour of it is a lolbertarian who got mad about the government not caring when his bitcoins were stolen so... you can imagine how well he takes the idea of that sort of thing. He's also pretty okay with it all because he thinks the penetration testing team are going to get shitcanned before he does. Which we will. But also his stuff won't work, so... :haw:

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Volmarias posted:

Yeah if there wasn't such a strong "just world" fixation about meritocracy it would be a lot easier to do this.
I mean... that's on purpose. It's worth knowing where the word was coined. If you see a corporate stooge using it to explain how they deserve that second yacht then rest comfortably, knowing they are using it exactly as intended.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I've ended up in the "cynical frontstabber" bucket with my new manager and it's great.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Jordan7hm posted:

I like that consulting seems to have pretty standard titles across firms, at least up to the partner / executive level, at which point it gets wonky.

Though I do a fair bit of business dev and have to keep telling people on our team that our internal titles don’t mean anything to our clients and to keep intros focused on why we’re there not what our title is.
I had an introduction meeting with a US-based client a while back and they insisted on starting out with a round of everyone sharing job titles. It was very weird to hear lots of "I'm Bob and I'm an Executive Product Management Specialist" only for it get to me and I say "I'm Arquinsiel, and I'm one of the pentesting team". Not sure it'd be particularly valuable to them to hear that I'm straddling the boundary between "Penetration Tester" and "Senior Penetration Tester" on the arbitrary matrix we have that for some reason includes "team leadership" responsibilities for a team of... four people.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Lockback posted:

I've just started saying "I'm part of engineering leadership" in those meetings and I feel like the lack of clarity is working as a power move.
I am not in leadership, mostly because I don't want to be but also because I am poo poo at sucking up, so this will not work for me.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Also increases the chances of someone letting a huge fart rip in response to a stupid suggestion :hmmyes:

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Just ask them to admit you're not supposed to instead of asking them how your'e supposed to compete. You'll get fired but it'll be satisfying!

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I just treat IMs like face to face conversations and make it clear that if stuff isn't in an email then it doesn't exist.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

mllaneza posted:

At my shop (130k users globally) we've dropped Office as a standard, it's now an exception request item. It's automatically approved but charges your cost center for the license. gSuite is significantly more convenient, vastly better for collaboration, and your data is far safer. We're also saving a ton of money on Office licenses, plus it makes Bill Gates' Netscape Nightmare reality.
I've found gSuite to be an absolute nightmare to use, since nobody ever puts things where anyone else would have permissions to edit them so it always adds in a "need access plz" > "granted" go-round to the document review process.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

priznat posted:

I guess google apps must have improved a lot but that’s surprising to hear they are on par with ms office now.
They really aren't. Simple stuff like sorting a sheet by ranked categories seems to be missing, so I can only imagine what wild Excel formula magic is also absent.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

mllaneza posted:

It's more cultural than technical, but it works for us.
Yeah see that's a big part of the problem where I am. The culture is dogshit and everyone is looking for an exit because taking steps to fix problems like this is seen as sn attack on management.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Atopian posted:

That last part is the worst.
The only plan with a chance of success is "throw out your current system of interaction with employees and try again", but that would imply that the current management got it wrong, so it is necessary to run that poo poo into the ground until the board can no longer ignore it, and come to clean house.
So frustrating and wasteful.
Funnily enough there was a big blowup with another team this morning and the owner ended up stepping in. I think maybe me telling him that everyone I, a newbie, talk to is unhappy has actually lit a fire under his rear end to start working out what's happening with his staff. Unfortunately for him I know that two out of the three people that got shat on this morning were already looking for new roles.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
I don't think it is, I think they're just dysfunctional as gently caress. It seems like that with the exception of me and the new head of team brought in for my team the company hires kids and tells them they're getting "training" and keeps hammering home how lucky they are to even have jobs. We're a small company so losing two people is literally half the development team gone, and if they lost two from my team that's a 50% drop in revenue off the bat. It's legitimately depressing and I have made a huge mistake moving here.

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Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Volmarias posted:

Enjoy your mountain of New Grad frankencode to maintain.
Even worse, technically the dev team are making tools for us pentesters to use. Unfortunately the head of the dev team, and the owner of the company, both believe they know what we need and want better than we do. Also better than our customers do. Because it's the same tooling.. :negative:

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