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frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

Green Vulture posted:

And before you ask, there are no English soundtracks or subtitles on the Italian release.

If you own both releases, someone on AVSForum actually made an AVISynth script to sync up the English MGM audio to the Italian Mondo disc.

I burned the results to a BD-R. The second and last time I ever used my cheap Blu-Ray burner, but I like to think it was worth it.

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frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Doesn't look like there's much reason to re-buy Blade Runner. Based on the specs for the 30th Anniversary, it looks like everything is identical to the 2007 release except the HD stills gallery. Dangerous Days and the other extras share a disc with the Workprint and are probably still 480i.

Final Cut still boasts TrueHD and the others still have lossy DD despite the fact Warner switched to DTS-HD MA years ago, so they're probably the exact same transfers & encodes too.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

SneakySneaks posted:

Paramount discontinued it, the Brit version is region-free and about 20 bucks right now.

I suppose it's moot if you really can't get your hands on the US version, but the UK version is missing lossless audio and has a much lower video bitrate because all the extras are shoved on the same disc. I don't think it makes much of a difference though.

If you really want the US disc, be careful. Many Amazon.com sellers actually sell the UK version.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 00:07 on Jul 27, 2012

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

Maxwell Lord posted:

You know, I wish more Blu-Ray manufacturers would realize that just because someone has an HDTV and player doesn't mean they have a 5.1+ sound system. Those things can be expensive and it sucks to have a big action scene sound weirdly quiet because they're assuming the presence of a subwoofer.

That sounds more like some overzealous Dynamic Range Control setting on your TV or Blu-Ray player.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
2.0 tracks wouldn't make the dynamic range any higher or lower.

Again, most (all?) DVD & Blu-Ray players have a dynamic range compression setting to account for TV speakers or receivers that don't have the option. Turn it on to equalize loud and quiet. You will need to change the output settings to LPCM/Decode rather than Bitstream for it to take effect.

DVD tracks aren't mixed any differently to Blu-Ray tracks, it's just that your old DVD player would have defaulted to DRC on and was probably hooked up via analog L/R.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Sep 4, 2012

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Raiders of the Lost Ark HDTV vs BluRay
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1389823/indiana-jones-trilogy-september-2012/600#post_22387490

Colour differences aside, looks good to me. Very pleasing lack of EE. 5th from the bottom is a good example.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Sep 10, 2012

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

Dissapointed Owl posted:

That second HDTV transfer has a lot more detail.
No, it's just artificially sharpened. The Blu-Ray generally shows the same and/or more detail, with a finer grain structure and lack of halos.

BD


HDTV (JP)


HDTV (UK)


(Similarly, zoom in on the extras in the bar or the camp/desert.)

This HDTV shot:


Is not more detailed than this Blu-Ray shot


just because there are white halos and artifacts everywhere.

Colour timings are a more contentious issue (and yes, some detail is lost based on contrast changes, look at some of the clothing) but I'd imagine viewing a red flag in bright sun in the middle of the desert would certainly give it a golden hue.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Sep 10, 2012

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Last Crusade DVD v Blu


Egbert Souse posted:

The Raiders caps are apparently from a rip of the Blu compressed to 9GB. It's probably not accurate.
No, they're PNG shots of the BD50 which leaked (and were posted) well before any rips were produced.

(A rip of the disc also would have cropped the letterbox bars.)

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 23:29 on Sep 11, 2012

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

Useless Rabbit posted:

This feels like the same "outrage" that came up when the LOTR:SE BD box set came out and people were furious about the slight changes to the color timing. When seeing these screenshots side by side, the differences are obvious, but who watches movies like that? And who has the memory for really specific color and contrast differences, especially between all kinds of various media over the years? It's a lot of anger over a relatively minor thing.

Yeah. Unless the tinkering is particularly egregrious (original French Connection) or otherwise harmful to the film (Do The Right Thing's "hottest day of the year" looking like autumn) I don't think it's too bad in most cases, viewed in context without A/B comparisons.

There also tends to be a belief that the old master is *always* the correct colour timing which is certainly not always the case.

Aliens has a major teal+orange push, but still has to be one of the most fantastic transfers on the format. LOTR has some revised colour grading, but would you even notice? And look at the bitching about O Brother Where Art Thou, which looks quite a bit different from the old master, yet close to how it appeared in a decade-old article.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

yoohoo posted:

Is the version of Zodiac on there the "good" version? I remember talk a while back about how one transfer was amazing and the other was poo poo but I could be wrong.

Honestly, the UK release is fine, but the US release *does* have double the video bitrate and lossless audio.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Only two discs are region-coded on the UK set -- Quantum of Solace and the Bonus Disc. Also worth nothing is that Casino Royale is uncut in the UK set but not the US set.

Ex-VAT it drops to £62.50, or $100 before shipping (which is only 3.50 or something.)

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Only bad thing about the Aussie one is having to buy North by Northwest separately since its not included.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Yes, of course it's region free (everything from WB is), or US sellers wouldn't be selling a disc that couldn't be played.

2008 UK release: Warner Bros, lossy Dolby Digital audio, French/German/Italian/Spanish dubs, 19.81Mbps VC-1, extras on same disc as movie, region free.
2009 US release: Paramount, lossless Dolby TrueHD audio, English only, 38.11Mbps H.264, extras on second disc, region free.

The MPAA, Canadian and TrueHD logos and 2009 date all seem to indicate the US release, but if you've only got one disc then maybe the 2012 releases just remove the extras disc.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 23:25 on Jan 9, 2013

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
The short answer is that while not Predator bad, they have quite a lot of DNR and EE/artificial sharpening applied. Personally I wouldn't buy them unless they were quite cheap.

Check out some of the HDTV vs Bluray screenshots for an example of what's "wrong" with them. If it doesn't bother you, go for it I guess.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 05:46 on May 21, 2013

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Nothing is ever black and white. On one end of the scale you have certain AVSForum sperglords nitpicking about every single frame and thinking that perfectly good Blu-Rays like 'The Dark Knight' are on par with Predator, and on the other end you have Predator, Patton, etc. Now keep in mind that even at that end of the scale, there are people that truly think discs like Predator look good.

BTTF doesn't always look bad, but when it does, the waxy people and harsh sharpening both drives me crazy and reminds me to the first release of "Gladiator" (a disc that, along with Patton, also received positive marks from from high profile sites like blu-ray.com or DVDBeaver). If you/your equipment are particularly susceptible to it, you are, if you're not, you're not.

Is it better than DVD? Absolutely. But the problem is, it isn't the best it's looked, even in the home -- if you have a PVRed copy of a good HDTV airing -- and while you're spending money on what may not be a travesty but happens to be a fairly substandard Blu-Ray, there are unofficial :filez: releases like the HDTV/Blu-Ray hybrid that looks better.

As I said, if it doesn't bother you, go for it. There are very few truly unequivocal "do not buy this" releases.

But you should be able to recognise that this:


is both slightly "off" in apperance, and a milder version of what is considered a travesty:

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 10:10 on May 21, 2013

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
The fact that you can't tell the difference between 'more detail' and 'edge enhancement' does not mean it is anything like crazy batshit audiophile discussions.

It's not even directly related to the level of grain removed by DNR, it's just that you need to obliterate the grain to enhance the edges, otherwise you end up 'enhancing' the whole picture rather than just the important edges.

Take these two for instance:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/3c00de103448702
http://www.imagebam.com/image/be1cc1103448339

If you think the second one is more detailed than the first -- and you can't notice the artifacting around the lamps or large JCPenny sign, or the white halos around the text on the truck that's merely darker, congratulations. That's why they apply edge enhancement to begin with.

But what they're essentially doing is a more advanced version of something like this:


Again, they're not disasters (BTTF2 fares the worst IMO) -- they're certainly better than the DVDs -- but if you're susceptible to EE/DNR and/or don't have a decent HDTV copy and/or are against paying for substandard work (considering their stature) I wouldn't buy them.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 05:54 on May 23, 2013

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

The pHo posted:

Kind of. Rather than having a mess of different resolutions and pixel aspect ratios, we all use 720p/1080p etc which is great. However, for some reason that nobody has been able to explain to me (but I expect it's due to some idiotic sense of backwards compatibility that I'm sure isn't needed) while we both share 1080/24p for film, you guys use 1080/60 for video and we use the pointless and stupid 1080/50.
Despite 1080p24 being pretty much standard for films on Blu-Ray, HDTV is still another story entirely. A lot of Euro-only film releases come from masters intended for TV broadcast, which need to be 1080p25, and anything shot for TV in PAL land needs to be 1080p25 or 1080i50 for compatibility with standard definition 576i50 broadcasts.

...! posted:

Doesn't some of that have to do with why blu-ray releases of British shows are 1080i? Something about how British TVs can't do 1080p? Someone said that in practice watching a blu-ray of a British show at 1080i on an American TV is identical to watching a 1080p blu-ray but I don't understand how that's possible.

I probably have some or all of that wrong but I'd like to understand it.

The Blu-Ray specification doesn't allow for 1080p25 (or 1080p30) flagged video streams -- they have to be flagged at 1080i50 (or 1080i60), regardless of whether they're really interlaced or not. The reason it's a "flag" is that the encode itself is identical, the flag just indicates whether the odd and even lines refer to different frames, or whether they actually make up full progressive frames.

It's known as 1080PsF .. Progressive segmented frames.

BBC HD, for instance, broadcasts in 1080i50 all the time, but has the ability to set a progressive flag to tell the TV that it doesn't even have to bother deinterlacing and that the 1080i50 broadcast is *actually* 1080p25.

But the flag is just a hint, if it's not there (as on Blu-Ray), the TV's deinterlacer is still perfectly capable of analysing whether a stream is 1080i50 or 1080p25 and displaying it accordingly.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Hercules is on Blu-Ray in Holland (and streams in HD on Netflix US), and Ravenous and True Lies got an anamorphic PAL releases at least (& there's also an HD :filez: of True Lies based on its DTheater release).

The Abyss sucks everywhere in every format and region imaginable.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 00:52 on Dec 2, 2013

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
VP of Marketing at Fox Home Entertainment said it's unrated.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
It's fun taking the DCP of Back to the Future and seeing if you can replicate the look of the Blu-Ray with a few filters.

I think I nailed it.

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

I, Butthole posted:

Welp I literally just bought this a week ago and it's shipped. gently caress.

I'm really, really torn on buying some older TV on DVD stuff; mainly Seinfeld and Scrubs. I know Scrubs was shot on 16mm and SD video so I'm pretty sure I should just grab them on DVD instead of Blu, but Seinfeld I'm less sure of.
Scrubs was pretty much entirely 16mm (maybe not 'My Life in Four Cameras'), was shot 16:9 safe from episode two, and while it's not 35mm but still benefits quite a bit from HD -- the ABC season as well as its experiemental HD episode on NBC ("My Transition") looked way better than SD.

Whether it heads to Blu or is just for syndication I'd imagine HD versions will surface.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 02:33 on Jan 25, 2014

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
If you're handy with a soldering iron (or know someone who is) modchips for LG/Panasonic/Sony/etc. are a little under US$50 including shipping.
http://rattlebyte.com/Shop.php?lang=en&cat_id=1

You could pick up a Sony BDP-S5100 for $80 at Amazon and with a modchip you're under $130.

You could even keep it under $100 if you picked up one of the used or refurbed Panasonic BD77s on Amazon, and that modchip only requires a single wire (and the solder point actually has an unused pin next to it, so you can be a little sloppy and bridge the two.)

I have a fairly old Panasonic BD60 I modded many moons ago, still works like a champ and it wasn't too difficult for an amateur like me.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Feb 4, 2014

frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.
Screenshots of the new 4K restoration of The Good, The Bad, and the Ugly are up on blu-ray.com and others.

...I hope you like yellow.

lovely 2009 US Bluray:

Italian Bluray:

New release:


http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/74866/picture:2
http://abload.de/image.php?img=the.good.the.bad.and.jeks8.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=the.good.the.bad.and.h5kzh.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=the.good.the.bad.and.ddj3t.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=the.good.the.bad.and.1sj7d.png
http://abload.de/image.php?img=the.good.the.bad.and.bijku.png

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frumpsnake
Jan 30, 2001

The sad part is, he wasn't always evil.

Cemetry Gator posted:

But what if the cropping isn't always in the same place? What if the wide version requires cutting off some of the top and bottom? It's likely not as simple as you think it is.
The problem was solved 20 years ago -- the MPEG and DVD specs actually cater for this (ISO/IEC 13818-2, 6.3.12), although virtually no one in North America ever saw it in practice.

You can author an MPEG stream with horizontal and vertical offsets that tell the player exactly where to crop the image, no ugly centre crop required, and do so on a frame by frame basis, meaning true pan and scan. Ultimately it's 4 bytes of data.

You can also define the display window to be smaller or larger than the source frame -- to zoom in and out, selectively letterbox scenes (eg credits), or crop a 2.35-in-16:9 vertically AND horizontally to fit 4:3 if you could deal with the massive resolution drop.

It was not uncommon to see "Auto Pan and Scan" anamorphic DVDs in PAL regions for a while (Road Trip, Amelie, Meet the Parents and Army of Darkness off the top of my head), and its the reason there were two 4:3 options in the setup menu of your player. Set it to LB and you got the unmolested letterboxed version, set it to PS and discs that supported it would automagically pan and scan. (There was also numerous customer complaints and confusion as a result when their widescreen DVDs weren't, due to a player setting 90% of discs ignored)

But it's certainly a lot easier to just deliver multiple streams or discs... or the one correct one.

frumpsnake fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Sep 5, 2014

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