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Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Speaking of insane travel schedules, I'm going to be in France for about 10 days in early May. I want to see the mountains, and my wife wants to see the Mediterranean, so we're thinking of doing something like:

Paris: 2 nights
Grenoble: 3 nights
Marseille: 2 nights
Avignon: 2 nights
Paris: 1 night

I've been thinking of doing a combination of car and train travel, partially because that seems like the easiest way into and out of Paris. The nights in Paris are really just for convenience, jet lag, and because it's Paris. I don't really enjoy big cities that much though.

How is Marseille compared to other coastal cities? We've mostly been looking west of Toulon because it seems cheaper (???). I also think we should just do 4 nights in one city rather than a 2/2 split because there are so many things within a short driving distance. e.g., why change lodging to Avignon when we could just drive there in an hour for a day trip.

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Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




I'm a little wary of traveling on a budget anywhere near Cannes during May. Maybe I'm overestimating how crowded and expensive it'd be though. We had been looking at Grasse though, which I think will be doing its rose festival while we're there.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Thanks, that's all really helpful.

We're saving the far western portion of the country for next time -- we just found cheap tickets for Paris, and the Mediterranean was a priority for her. I'll consider dropping the Alps, but tbh I think I might be happy with just the scenery. I would like to do some hiking too, but if the weather is going to be miserable then I may postpone the idea. At the very least I want to do some hiking and cycling somewhere in between looking at old things.

There are clearly a million things to do between the countryside and the coast, and I'm to the point of just arbitrarily picking some and dropping others. I do think we'll pass on Marseille proper, but Cassis looks like a good alternative in the area because I've really been wanting to see Calanque.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Saladman posted:

The weather won’t be miserable, it’ll probably be like 12-15 degrees but there’s a good chance that it will be drizzling and overcast — but overcast means that the mountains will probably be in fog. Also 100% guaranteed around Grenoble in early May: above 1800m will still be under snow, and there will be patches of snow down to about 1500m. So even if you have waterproof boots, hiking poles, and are fit, and the clouds are amenable, it’s still not recommended to do any serious GR bike because it will be very hard to follow a trail when the trail markers are hidden by snow. Early May is just the worst time to plan for a specific day to be in the mountains, even worse than November, since at least in Nov there might be a chance there’s no snow yet, but in May it’s always guaranteed to still be there from winter. If you find something you want to do that’s < 1800m then go for it, but make sure to have a backup plan of something to do in case the clouds are completely covering 800-1500m elevation. It’s probably like a 25% chance of "do not bother going, it’s just going to be hours of fog". Unfortunately I don’t know of any website that records cloud altitude for previous years data, but as someone who lives in the foothills of the Alps and who hikes pretty much every week when possible, I have a pretty solid basis for estimation. .

The foothills nearer to Nice will be much more amenable to hiking than the Grenoble area weather-wise as they’re lower and warmer, but for biking they’re also incredibly steep and you’d have to be super fit to bike around there, like around Eze/Monaco.I’d recommend looking at the Luberon area on google street view to see if that’s up your alley, but it’s a fantastic area for enjoying the atmosphere but without any specific "must see" sights, so you get to discover it all on your own rather than following the tour buses like to Pont du Gard. The Calanques should be perfect at that time of year, and not nearly as crowded, although it’s far enough of a hike that it’s never that bad (the people doing boat tours from Cassis to En Vau are not allowed to get off the boat and enter). One other thing you can do there if you’re sporty is rent a kayak. My wife and I did that and kayaked to Morgiou and back which was fantastic, but it does take a couple hours each way and you’d want to be very confident in your kayaking ability and the wind as it’s mostly cliffs so once you go it’s all-in.

Anyway I think it’s hard to go wrong really, you’ll probably enjoy whatever you do, just try to not schedule too much in definitively, as that part of France is more about soaking in the experience than it is about any specific sites (except the pope castle in Avignon, which is a standard tourist site to get in, see, and leave, but it is super cool.) oh, the papal palace also has a really cool light show at night where they go through the history, and it’s extremely well done.

Thanks, this is so much clearer than all the generic travel sites I've been wading through. The difficulty here really has been the sheer number of places I'd like to go, so it's easy to strike one like Grenoble given how many other good options there are.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




OK, so I got a bit of pushback on the Grenoble idea earlier, but dennyk mentioned Annecy, and it looks extremely nice. Would that be a fair alternative to Grenoble in May?

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




rick steves here

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




The thing I hate most about travel is how many people are trying to take advantage of you.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Hi, American here

What is a "train"?

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Yeah my flights are early May, and if anything I expect more restrictions by then given the pace that this is spreading. Can't cancel my tickets though, so if we get there and everything's shut down, we'll just explore the countryside.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Man I wish they would cancel my flight. It's less than three weeks away at this point. I tried cancelling an Airbnb with a nicely worded email to the host about coronavirus, and he rejected my request lol

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Man, gently caress airbnb. We're having to fight with them over a cancellation even though we're literally banned from entering the country.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




PT6A posted:

I for one am shocked that a company that made a fortune by ignoring rules, cutting corners and acting in an underhanded way is behaving badly all of a sudden.

If only there had been signs...

Someone from my grad cohort did her dissertation on airbnb. Her work was extremely well received and might as well have been funded by the company for all the praise it heaped on them. Her first published paper actually referred to the sharing economy as the next industrial revolution (I'm still mad).

Anyway, this is the first time I've ever tried to use airbnb and definitely the last!

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




greazeball posted:

Just call your credit card company and reverse the charges, gently caress airbnb.

I'm gonna do this if they reject my current appeal. Hoping to do the same for the flights too. It's all on my AmEx, so hopefully they'll listen to me. This was also the first time I booked flights through Google/Priceline, and I'm not going to do that again either!

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Ok, Airbnb down. Next up is Delta, Air Canada, and Lufthansa :/

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




My current situation is that Priceline is only offering me travel credits because that's all Air Canada is offering. They're required to give a refund under the DoT guidance if they cancel or reschedule the flight, but they haven't done that even though it's only 3 days away. So I disputed the charge with AmEx, but I don't know if that will work out. I'm not sure if I should go ahead and cancel the flight in the meantime so that I at least have guaranteed flight credits if the dispute doesn't work out or if that would screw up my dispute.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




OK, I mentioned several months ago that my trip to France was cancelled because of COVID. It's been five months, and Air Canada and Priceline are still refusing to offer me a refund. Both of them just push responsibility onto the other. I filed a complaint with DOT several weeks ago but haven't heard anything from that. I opened a dispute with AmEx as well, and the refunded my money initially, but then they took it back when Air Canada complained. I'm genuinely not sure what to do at this point or who to talk to. Any ideas?

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




I finally heard back from DOT, and Air Canada a couple of days later. Here's a relevant portion of DOT's email to me:

quote:

Generally, passengers who purchase non-refundable tickets on a flight that is still being operated without a significant delay are not entitled to a refund. A passenger is entitled to a refund if an airline cancels a flight and the passenger chooses not to accept an alternative flight on that airline. A passenger is also entitled to a refund if the airline makes a significant schedule change or significantly delays a flight and the passenger chooses not to travel due to the significant change or delay. Additionally, passengers may be entitled to a refund based on the terms of an airline's contract of carriage.

My flight was delayed several times and then cancelled, so I should be covered, right?

Here's the only part of Air Canada's response that addresses the DOT policy:

quote:

Our policy of offering the remaining value of the ticket for future travel is not only consistent with how major airlines are managing this unique situation, but it is also in line with our publicly published tariff rules. Our policy states that in the case of uncontrollable cancellations, the airline’s responsibility is to provide alternate travel options (as opposed to refunds), at the end of the event that caused the cancellation.

We realize you may disagree and view this approach as inconsistent with the US DOT’s Enforcement Notice. However, we believe that our position is consistent with US law having examined this question in depth.

Unbelievable.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




I've always though of microstates in the context of their histories -- how they were created, or how they weren't unified with a neighboring country -- as much as their size tbh. Like a relic of pre-nation state times, or a carving out by a colonial power.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




I can't imagine booking a trip right now. Too much uncertainty. You're not going to get a refund on anything if your plans get screwed up. Things might be closed. The locals might be pissed that you're there (more than normal).

Air Canada got a government bailout recently and is apparently going to refund me for my flight that got cancelled last May. So that's nice.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




In Angkor Wat I listened to an American tourist lecture his own tour guide about how the temples must have been built -- something about how Cambodians couldn't have known how to build structures that impressive so it must have been someone else. It was very insulting, and the guide didn't seem to know how to respond.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Just buy a Rick Steves audio tour or something

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




It's a great time to make complicated plans with little chance of a refund!

Fitzy Fitz fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jul 1, 2021

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Any must-sees or lesser-known gems in the Spanish or French Basque region? I want to spend several days chilling and hopefully hiking either in the hills or the Pyrenees around there in May. Would love to spend some time in small towns that are accessible by train or bus.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005





Thank you! This is all incredibly helpful. I'm hoping to see both the Spanish and French sides (without a car if possible), and you've probably covered everything I'd be looking for on the French side.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Thanks, that's a great help on the Spanish side.

I wonder if I should just suck it up and rent a car for part of the time. It's easy enough to go without one in (and between) the big cities, but I don't want to have a mediocre experience somewhere if it really warrants a car.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Recommendations for things to do in/around Barcelona, San Sebastian, Saint-Cirq-Lapopie, and Paris over the next few weeks? We've got a few days in each.

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Saladman posted:

With just generic info like "things to do" then just check Wikitravel, as those places will have good detail for generic tourist info.

If you want more useful information, then what do you like to do? Have you been any of those places before? I know Paris quite well so if you have specific interests I can probably give more specific recommendations than "see the Eiffel tower, walk around the Marais, and go to the Louvre".

I've never been to Europe. I've already looked up more stuff than I can possibly do, so I was just wondering if anyone here had some personal "must dos" around any of those places. We're hoping to do museums, shopping, food, architecture, history, hiking, biking, kayaking, caves, live music, art, festivals, other cultural things, trains, parks, gardens, fountains, etc.

Elysium posted:

If you’ve ever thought to yourself “you know, I don’t need to pay money to go in that big church/building/museum that all the other tourists are doing, I can see it from the outside.” Just know that you absolutely need to go in and see La Sagrada. It is loving amazing.

Yeah... Barcelona is the first place we're flying into, and la segrada is already sold out for the time we're there. Does anyone know if it's still possible to buy tickets at the door?

E: got lucky and found two tickets on ticketswap!

Fitzy Fitz fucked around with this message at 00:20 on May 7, 2024

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Thanks, that's all really helpful.

Barcelona is an incredible city, and Sagrada Familia was honestly a moving experience, so we're going to check out a couple of other Gaudi sites today before leaving for San Sebastian. There's a maritime festival in Pasaia that I'm hoping will be worth seeing. Otherwise probably a lot of hiking for the next week, and hopefully saving some money!

I went ahead and made reservations in Paris. I'm excited to see the newer bike infrastructure there, and now I'm also wondering if there are any architecture or history recommendations that people have (outside of the top ten list staples).

Fitzy Fitz fucked around with this message at 07:41 on May 9, 2024

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Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




Hostelworld has a pretty similar scam -- confirmation emails that include your booking information and say they require a payment through a sketchy link. I got one of these the other day.

I also get constant "your verification link" emails from Booking, like someone is trying to log in to my account all the time.

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