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TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Midjack posted:

I know several people who work inside the beltway and commute from Harper's Ferry because they get so much more land and house for their money that a three hour round trip and waking up at 4am is worth it.

See, the true beauty is that my POD would be Martinsburg. One of the IRS data centers is located there. No major commute required.

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TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Mohela is taking a very long time to review uploaded docs right now.

I get that they’re probably insanely overloaded, but I really want my payment counts updated as well.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Now that we’re guaranteed back pay and I have enough saved up to cover a few months, I don’t mind the shutdowns at all.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Devor posted:

Yeah, if you're well-off enough to not worry about paying bills for the duration, furloughs are great.

Having to borrow money from my parents during the 2013 shutdown directly led to me building a 6-month cushion, which may sound like a lot, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to let a shutdown bother me again. When they passed the back pay law during the 2018-2019 shutdown, I was the most relaxed person you could possibly imagine. Plenty of money to cover my bills, he knowledge that I would eventually get paid for doing nothing, and no work.

I seriously recommend that new fed employees build a 2-month cushion asap because they will need it.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Evil SpongeBob posted:

Good thing Im retiring in FY 23.

I’m so jealous.

I’ve got a very long 20 years to go.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

My PSLF application and payment review under TEPSLF finally went through. I got the official letter from MOHELA today. $96,000 in loans are gone from my life forever.

I am so relieved to finally be done.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

I've always taken the cash. My wife and I agreed that I would always be able to spend that amount on whatever I wanted, guilt free.

And, of course, when I had specific plans for it last year, I got a QSI instead.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Every time you guys talk about grade classifications, it makes me happy that I'm in IT.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

I know of some computer scientist and computer engineer roles where that can happen, but it’s definitely not the norm. My 5-12 ladder with a quick promotion to 13 was nice, though. Getting my 14 is proving to be somewhat more difficult.

I applied for the frontline readiness program and completed the leadership succession review this year. I don’t want to go into management, but I’m also well aware that it’s often the easiest way to get to 14 and 15 equivalent paybands.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Our CIO is trying to devise a system where most IT staff would only have to be in office for 10 days total each calendar year, with no requirement for when those days are.

I seriously doubt it will be approved, but I love the idea of only going into the office for the first two weeks of January.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Beerdeer posted:

My PSLF came through today. I am loan-free!

It feels so good, doesn’t it?

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Elem7 posted:

OPM did approve new special pay rates for IT to take affect in 2024 but they've said agencies don't have to adopt them and outside the DoD and VA its very unclear which agencies will.

I won’t believe it until I see it on my paycheck, but every indication is that IRS will implement the SSR.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Nope. I got both my previous and current position off of 12-month rosters. The IRS loves them.

I should also note that the job I currently have isn’t the one that was listed. I hit the BQ list and a manager in a different area (but same job series) offered me a job. Which is why I’ve been a Cobol developer for 4 years now without knowing a single thing about Cobol.

TheMadMilkman fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Jun 7, 2023

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

SgtScruffy posted:

Thanks! To your latter point, does this mean that there is more of a chance of "I saw your resume on the 12 month roster, this is a different job but you interested?" that is, a little bonus benefit of applying?

Also, this may be more DM-worthy, but as someone in Fed tech consulting who has never worked for the actual Fed, is IRS a good jump/decent place to work?

At least for IT, it has been the case. Hiring managers have been allowed to pull candidates from any BQ list for the same job series and grade. But with that listing being an 0301, I can’t be completely sure how it would work.

As for working tech in the IRS, the biggest advantage is that we tend to pay more for IT compared to other agencies. Non-supervisory GS-13 positions are common, and I know a good number of 14s and 15s that still get to do actual work.

Downsides? The usual. Management is a huge mixed bag. Good ideas get bogged down in bad implementations. But it is better now than it was when I started 10 years ago.

I had a few years where I seriously considered leaving because I was stuck under a bad manager and didn’t see a way forward. But my current org loves my work, I have the freedom to pursue ideas and implement them how I want, and I’m honestly enjoying the work I’m currently doing (developing automated testing systems).

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

I’m on mobile so it looks different, but it’s 3 open spots with 37 possible offices that you could work out of. Hiring shouldn’t be dependent on location, as long as you’re willing to work out of one of those offices. Telework eligibility can depend, but for an IT-related position like that, it’s typically after 1 year at full working level (12) or 2 total years before you qualify, whichever is less. After that, it’s 2 days in office per pay period.

I have a coworker that’s started doing the first Monday and Tuesday of every pay period. He says it’s nice to have almost 3 full weeks without going in.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

In 13 years I have gotten exactly one unsolicited email based on my resumes being searchable.

It was for Space Force and, based on the wording, they did a mass email to everyone with “IT Specialist” listed on their resume.

I declined to respond.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Is it on a ladder? If you’re looking at a 12 promotion next year, the step isn’t hugely important. You need to be a step 5 before it would affect your GS-12 pay.

Yes, it would be less money in year one, but I’d it is an auto 12, I’d take it without pushing just to make sure you get in ASAP.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

I’m actually kind of bummed about that. I’m completely nonessential right now and have more than enough set aside to ride out a long shutdown.

I get that my situation isn’t the norm at all, but I’m really burned out this year and was looking forward to some time off.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

That shutdown is why I built such a large financial buffer and recommend that any federal employee do the same.

I was sitting pretty during the Trump shutdown.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

I apparently missed that announcement, but I thought that would be the case. It seemed odd to me that the IRA money could be used outside of the normal appropriations process.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

No.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Here's a question, I'd taken AL for Sunday and Monday next week. Am I gonna get that back if (when) the government is shut down, or am I out of luck?

What I recall from the last shutdown, all scheduled leave is cancelled. If you're an essential employee, you're expected to be at work. If you're a non-essential employee, you're furloughed, so you will be off those days anyway. When you return to work, you will have those 2 days of AL available.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

I’ve been declared essential. I have zero work to do right now, and had leave planned for two days next week.

I’m pissed.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Quorum posted:

Can you talk to your supervisor about getting furloughed for just those two days? That's how we were told that planned leave for essential/excepted folks should be handled.

I’m going to do exactly that on Monday.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Getting whiplash over here while trying to read the thread.

I’m happy that I will be able to take my scheduled leave. I’m also happy for the many, many employees and contractors that would be negatively affected by a shutdown. I feel for those of you that needed and wanted the time off.

I have to imagine that we will shut down in 45 days. And I hope that I will be considered non-essential at that point.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

ilkhan posted:

IT specialist at IRS. Which level of hell would life be?

This is literally me, and has been for 10 years now. It can range from pure hell (phone tech support) to a pretty fulfilling career. We like to complain, but I don’t see anyone actively working to get out of it either.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

IRS got the typical 2 hours.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

If there's a chance that you'll return to federal service, you will want your most recent SF-50.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Looks like a ~$5500 bump for me. It’s all going into my TSP.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

They take your old grade and step and add 2 steps to it. Then they put you on the lowest step in your new grade that pays at least that much.

It’s odd to only go down one step, though. Do you happen to be on a special salary table?

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Atahualpa posted:

7-9-11-12 career ladder. I went from GS 7, step 4, to GS 9, step 3. Austin-Round Rock-Georgetown locality.

I think they screwed up and looked at the GS-8 line instead of the GS-9. The 2 step rule would have made you a GS-8 Step 3. You should definitely be at GS-9 Step 1.

TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

Last time we almost shut down I was deemed essential. I would have literally been sitting on my hands doing nothing.

This time I’m entering my busiest two weeks of the year, and I’m deemed non-essential.

I’d say to make it make sense, but after 14 years I know to just roll with it.

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TheMadMilkman
Dec 10, 2007

I get invited to presentations about Robotic Process Automation all the time, which I’ve been told was somehow supposed to replace all of the paper return processing. No one has been able to sufficiently describe how that was supposed to happen, though.

I have walked through the Ogden campus during peak paper return input season. You can feel the will to live being sucked out of every employee there.

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