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GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Hey guys, so we're finally moving from Zenworks 11 to System Center Config Mgr 2012 SP1. Currently in a 5 day admin class. Good times or great times? :suicide:

Can't wait though.

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GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

You must have had a terrible class. This one is a beast. We start at 8:30am and we don't get done until 4:30. The book is something like 15 or 16 chapters and we're doing all of them, and every single lab. I'm not complaining by any means but my brain is fried.

I've taken a ton of MS classes and this is one of the busiest. Today we spent a couple hours writing loving SQL queries and getting the reporting server stuff working.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

All we used Zenworks for is imaging, so this is all new. We never had system management software before and I've worked at this place for 10 years. Yeah.

Luckily we have an outside resource coming in to install and configure it. I just have to learn how to admin it. *Just*

Quick question though - do you recommend putting the agent on servers or only clients?

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Then you need a terminal server with cals, so your rep is correct. You won't all be able to log in under the same user name though.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think so. If someone tries to login under the same account, the other person would be kicked off.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Is this custom software? Sounds like trying to get around licensing restrictions.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Have you used 2012 before? The metro interface is so great. Sarcasm.

The only problem you might run into is that Exchange 2003 does not support Windows Server 2012 DCs.

http://clintboessen.blogspot.com/2013/01/exchange-2003-and-windows-server-2012.html

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I don't envy you upgrading Exchange 2003 to 2013.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I need some Group Policy help. Ok so I have a GPO where the settings are here:



But when I edit the GPO, I don't see that drill down:



What the hell?

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I'm running GPMC from a 2008 R2 domain controller.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

incoherent posted:

Are you admining from a workstation with IE10 installed? To expand on dotalchemy you won't see it if you're on a Windows 8 machine or windows 7 with IE 10. Uninstall IE 10 and you'll be ok.

gently caress, removing IE10 worked perfectly. Thank you so much.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

incoherent posted:

And the mind reels WHY they didn't they communicate the depreciation earlier. Its probably in some blurb deep within technet.

Thanks microsoft.

The worst part is, is that this is by far the easiest way to auto put sites into trusted sites. The recommended MS way locks out trusted sites from user editing.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I wish wish wish we could rollout company IM here. The president is all "what the gently caress do we need IM for? Use email, phones or face to face".

This is the same dude, as the story goes, that when this place first got computers "what the gently caress do we need email for?"

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We're currently using Sophos and moving to Forefront due to it being included in our CAL. Sophos is pretty great, the central admin works very well, and the client footprint is small. Was very easy to push down the AV to all my clients when we first moved from McAfee 5 years ago.

Also Sophos AV let's you block and log apps which is a nice bonus feature.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

CapMoron posted:

Sophos is sounding pretty good.

I should point out that we aren't a very large institution, just a small private school, with only about 250 or so Windows machines (and another 150 or so Macs).

We only have about 250 users as well, all Windows machines. Sophos worked quite well. We also use their email and web appliances. While spendy, they are pretty awesome too.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

SQL Standard or Enterprise is required for the primary site. Secondary sites can use SQL Express.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Sacred Cow posted:

Adobe updates are pretty easy on SCCM with System Center Update Publisher. Just subscribe to the Adobe update feeds and publish to SCCM. Java on the other hand is still a huge pain in the rear end. Trying to get 32-bit v7 Java to deploy on a x64 OS was a nightmare.

Have you ever configured the System Center Update Published on a Windows 2012 server? I have WSUS and SCUP on the same box but SCUP won't connect to WSUS.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Sacred Cow posted:

I haven't done it on a 2012 box (running on 2008R2) but you have to install a self-signed certificate for SCUP to work with WSUS/SCCM. When going through the setup options on SCUP you have to "Enable publishing to an update server". On that same option screen there is a "Signing Certificate" section. You have the option to create one that you deploy to your environment either through a CA or GPO under the computers "Trusted Publishers".



Yeah, I got it working. I didn't realize that I'd have to integrate WSUS with SCCM to be able to use SCUP. Currently WSUS runs on it's own.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We're not doing updates via SCCM at all, that's part of it. It seemed more of administrative headache. I would love to do 3rd party updates via SCCM and zero MS updates.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Who the gently caress backs up workstations? Sounds like a terrible idea beyond automating the usual folders to their home directory on the network and backing that up.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We use Syncplicity which is expensive as poo poo but simple for our mobile users. It's basically corporate Dropbox. The rest? We aren't responsible for what you save to your C drive. We make people sign a piece of paper saying so. Gotta have upper management buy in for that though which can be difficult.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.


Yeah I love this. Mapping drives based on security groups is awesome.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Because I have 1 GPO that maps 10 or so drives and some drives all users get while other drives only a group needs to get. It's nice to have all your drive maps in 1 place than have 10 GPOs.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Does anyone backup all their enterprise data to the cloud? The boss and I are sick to death of tapes, tape libraries, a poo poo ton of b2d storage and so forth and are looking at the feasibility of just backing everything up to a cloud provider such as Rackspace.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I had to spin up a 2012 server just for Group Policy because of IE10.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We put in SCCM a few months ago to replace our aging Zenworks server. All I've gotten so far is imaging and some reporting, but that's miles ahead of what we used to have.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

SCCM 2012 question. I'm trying to push down SCEP to a workstation, but it's not applying. Where are the logs that I can check to see what's going on? I know where the CCM logs are just not SCEP.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Wicaeed posted:

Are there any Microsoft official documents on the best way to go from a Windows 2003 domain level (running std ADDS roles + DHCP server) all the way to a Server 2012 domain?

How quickly do you have to do this? You could wait until early next year and just go to 2012 R2 (I know it comes out in Oct, but I like waiting a few months in case of crazy bugs).

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Bob Morales posted:

Does Microsoft put Exchange pricing out there anywhere? I'm trying to get an estimate on how much it would cost to implement Exchange but all the information online seems to be comparing internal to hosted Exchange.

Going to need new hardware to put it on, and back it up with as well. Ugh.

Not really. Would be easier and quicker to call someone like CDW to quote you.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Backup Exec supports 2013. We use it for 2010 and it's kinda awesome how you can drill down into individual mailboxes and restore single emails.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Bob Morales posted:

Three tries with three reps no quote. Other suggestions?

Have you tried this?

http://mla.microsoft.com/

And then find a reseller using this:

http://pinpoint.microsoft.com/en-US/SelectCulture

GreenNight fucked around with this message at 02:47 on Sep 12, 2013

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

IT Guy posted:

We're currently in the process of doing this. Our Exchange server is 2003 as well so we can't just drop Windows Server 2012 boxes into the environment. We used downgrade rights and put in two new Windows Server 2008 R2 boxes, promoted them to DCs and demoted the 2003 boxes without issue.

Next up, probably in a few months after I take an Exchange 2013 course is to replace that. However, you can't go straight from 2003 to 2013, you have to do a staged migration from 2003 to 2010 to 2013. gently caress.

Then after that in the early new year I'll be redoing those new domain controllers again and putting Windows Server 2012 on them.

I recommend putting 2012 R2 as your domain controllers. By next year it will be out for a few months, and it's already pretty solid. That's what we're doing.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

IT Guy posted:

Unfortunately we already bought the licenses.

No SA? Too bad.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Don't upgrade any Windows 8 users to 8.1 then. 8.1 basically requires 2012 R2 for Group Policy changes.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

IT Guy posted:

Could also scope the GPO to only those two users. That would probably be the way I did it.



This is the correct answer. It would be better to create an AD group though so if you need to add a different user, you can just add them to the group instead of editing the GPO.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

Here is a quick and easy guide to upgrading SCCM 2012 to 2012 R2. I haven't tried it yet though:

http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/2013/10/18/upgrading-configmgr-2012-to-r2/

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We use Sophos which is great for blocking users from sites, but if you want to see web traffic, it's not that robust. You can definitely drill down to see what pages users were going to but it doesn't distinguish between legit sites and ads. For instance, while researching an issue via Google, many of the sites I went to had Facebook ads. Now it looks like I've been browsing Facebook for hours on end and so forth.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We used RemoteApp for some of our remote users because they hated having to do more than like 2 steps. So the two steps would be - 1. Connect to VPN, and 2. Launch RemoteApp. That eliminated the need to RDP to the terminal server.

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

We have Sophos AV, the email appliance and web appliance. All work very well. We recently switched from Sophos to Microsoft AV since it comes free with System Center, but I have no complaints about Sophos. Very easy to admin and push out.

Removing Sophos can't be done via admin console. There is a bitch of a batch file you need to setup to remove the software. I had to do it for ~250 machines.

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GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

kiwid posted:

I asked this a while ago, not sure if it was this thread or not. The way it was answered was only "real" accounts need a CAL. A real user. Everything that is used for administration, automation, etc., does not require a CAL.

This is true. We ran it by our Microsoft licensing rep when he was in a few weeks ago. He specifically said if we had 10 users but 5000 service accounts, we only need 10 CALs.

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