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Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
The article is pretty dumb. It doesn't qualify WHY it beats these nebulous '$150,000 European sports cars,' (of which it names none, other than referencing that the current V8 makes more power than a first-gen Viper or 360 Modena--both of which are quite outdated) and it's just a gushy piece of feel-good crap for Detroit residents about 'MERICAN CARS.



For those who can't view the article:

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Why a $30,500 Ford Mustang beats $150,000 European sports cars
Jason H. Harper / Bloomberg News

I have a $150,000 sports car in my parking garage, a handcrafted machine produced overseas in limited numbers. Next to it, I have a U.S.-made Ford Mustang GT, armadas of which will be sold for as little as $30,500.

I tested both the day before, so which to take out today just for the thrill?

"The 'Stang, please," I tell Paul and Hector, my trusty garage guys.

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Paul raises his eyebrow. Seriously?

Times have changed. Changed in a whopping, Big Bang kind of way. Once hopeless and bumbling, Ford Motor Co. is now really cranking out the good stuff. And its new Mustang is about as good as it gets.

I'm reminded why as I aim the sparkling blue hood (the deep, lustrous paint is called "Kona Blue Metallic") on my way out of town.

Normally I nurse high-dollar rides over the canyon-sized cracks and craters in New York's West Side Highway as if guiding a colicky baby in a carriage. With the Mustang's high clearance and sturdy shocks, I bound over the choppy asphalt. Bulletproof.

On today's just-for-fun itinerary: I'm prowling for open, winding lanes where the V-8 can have its torque-mad way with the world. Under full throttle, the brand-new 5.0-liter motor sounds like Zeus hurling thunderbolts, channeling 412 horsepower and 390 pound-feet of torque.

Years ago it was inconceivable to have so much power at such a bargain price. This base coupe has more kick than the original V-10-powered Dodge Viper or a Ferrari 360 Modena.

And boy does it pull. At a stop light it yanks you, inexorably, toward the next traffic stop like a leashed bull mastiff, a kind of torque overload that's nearly impossible not to childishly indulge in over and over again.

The sound is bright, raw, delicious.

As for gas mileage, the V-8 manages 17 city and 26 highway and can be run on regular gasoline rather than premium with a slight reduction in power.

As driven, my test car was $42,305. It included most of the convenience and sport options, including navigation, improved Brembo brakes, 19-inch wheels and an electronic stability control meant for spirited driving.

So equipped, the GT was as much or more fun than any European or Japanese car at that same price.

Hard to believe that the Mustang is having its salad days all over again. Its 50th anniversary will be the pony car's next milestone, and the last few generations have shown every long year. Liver spots have included a cranky chassis, worn-out engine and middling electronics.

It got a major refresh last year, which helped considerably, but the V-8 still produced a miserly 315 horses.

The 2011 model, also available with a V-6, is minty fresh. Nicer to look at, better to listen to and easier to live with. Most surprising, it handles competently on swoopy roads.

You see, there have always been those muscle-car motor-heads who soup up American steel just to drag race. It passes for a good time in certain towns -- I should know, I grew up in one.

What those guys would never do is take a Mustang against a European sports car on a windy road. Partly because dudes who listened to Motley Crue and Judas Priest didn't associate with those who dug Depeche Mode and the Smiths -- but also because they'd get their butts kicked.

This Mustang is different. It still has an old-school live rear axle, which is cheap to produce but brutish. Yet engineers have tuned it to the point of elegance. Steady at speed and yet nimble in turns, the Mustang shows a lot of poise even on switchback roads.

I easily sustain a super sprint up and down careening hills, the sound of the 5.0-liters blowing up around me. Even the Fourth of July wasn't so cacophonous and lively.

While available as a six-speed automatic, let me say this: If you don't know how to drive a stick but are thinking of buying the new Mustang, learn. The six-speed, cue-ball-tipped stick is wondrous.

Finally, the interior. Somebody has figured out that the Mustang is more than the sum of its engine and exterior. The seats are comfortable; the two rear seats are somewhat accommodating, and though the interior is mostly plastic, it looks good.

And when I get lost on my wanders, I quickly punch up my location on the optional touch-screen navigation system.

For a thriftier gas and budget point, there's the brand-new 3.7-liter V-6, which gets up to 31 mpg highway with an auto transmission. For a base of $23,000, you still manage a prodigious 305 horses and 280 pound-feet of torque.

I've still got several hours before I need to be home. I don't really have to keep driving -- I've gotten the point -- but, well, seeing as I'm already out here.

That European machine in the garage can wait.

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Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
I'll wait until they offer the Boss upgrades in a non-terrible package... which will be about 6 months, tops, knowing Ford. If they don't put out 18 or more special editions in a model's lifecycle it's a FAILURE.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

Bob Log posted:

I thought you mustang guys might be hot to know about this and might not look in the marketplace so I thought i'd crosspost it.

That thing is loving hideous. The mess up front, the awful GT500 tails, and those wheels... augh.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Is the backup camera the little black circle on the back of the spoiler?

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
:corsair: Back in my day, we thought 628 horsepower stock was ridiculous! :corsair:

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

oRenj9 posted:

What car came with 628 HP stock?


Haha.

it was a joke about the new ZR1, jesus christ guys

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Even most GTs are going to be auto because that's what fat old men want. Sure there will be more sticks in Mustangs than, say, in Corollas, but it's still going to be predominantly autos.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
So, am I missing it somewhere, or do they not list the condition of the dipshit (Ivey)? I imagine if he crashed hard enough to cause the Buick to explode he'd probably be dead too, but I don't actually see that mentioned.

Fake edit: wait no it says only one person was killed.


Edit: so the dude's in the hospital in unspecified condition. gently caress him.

Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 09:18 on Oct 6, 2010

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

frozenphil posted:

You can hear it pushing through the shifts because he has too much gear for the stock converter. The stock converter will also only flash to 1300RPM so there is a bunch left in it once he gets a new one.

By "too much gear" do you mean the 4.10s are too... short(?) for the converter? And also what do you mean it will only flash to 1300RPM?

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

AtomicBomber posted:

Yay!

Just came in yesterday. Drove it home in the rain so I didnt really have a chance to let it trot yet.



Good choice. This is my favorite color for the 2011s. White's pretty neat too, but white is also pretty boring.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
AWD with a live axle would be pretty weird, you have to admit.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
You caught me before I added "for a sports car." I know about the Jeeps.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
I actually kind of like the way the missing fog lights look, but I think it'd look better still with a 'clean' grille with no fog light openings at all. Roush makes a pretty :krad: one.

I wish it just had normal racing stripes like the GT500 instead of the blob on the hood and all-white (or whatever color) roof. That just looks... sloppy? It looks like they left the paintjob half-finished.

I really like the Mustang in Kona Blue and I think that color would look great with normal white racing stripes, but the giant white blob on the hood and the all-white roof just look nasty.

Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 23:10 on Feb 25, 2011

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Q_res, why is it so hard for you to understand that most people aren't going to remember the displacement size but they WILL remember "it's the biggest engine Ford makes," and will brag on that to anyone who'll listen?

Fake edit: and yes V8s sound waaaay better than V6s, turbo'd or not.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

kalvick posted:

FTW!!!!

You registered in 2001. Really?

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

kronix posted:

That's surprisingly reasonable. I'll just leave this image right here (sorry you have to click, it's a table breaker)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e376/birdman941/Stuff/IMG_0885.jpg

loving :lol:

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
That Laguna Seca badge looks... really ugly.

PS: my dad was almost one of those suckers frozenphil. I am very glad I steered him to a barely-used 911 instead, for roughly the same price. I think he's glad too.



They managed to photograph the nose at the just-right angle to make it look like an angry hippo.

Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Apr 5, 2011

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
So Autoblog says that the 2012 GT500 is keeping the 5.4, but at least the Super Snake is getting 800HP. I'm kinda disappointed they're keeping the old block, but I guess tooling up for an aluminum version of the block for only one year wouldn't really be cost-effective.

Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Apr 7, 2011

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

Tanz-Kommandant posted:


:goleft:

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
The grille looks loving terrible, especially the headlights. And get rid of those retarded huge wheels. Otherwise I don't mind it, but it doesn't really strike me as particularly Mustang-y.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
I imagine if they based a Lincoln off the Mustang underpinnings it'd get a lengthened wheelbase at the very least. LWB apparently screams luxury in China, and it seems to be making its way elsewhere as well.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
I said they should name it the Mare package. I still like my name better :colbert:

Presto posted:

Mine doesn't leak, but then, neither did my '97, so I can't tell if they've improved or not.

Although I actually had the top replaced on mine already under warranty because when you opened the driver-side door, the corner of the window just barely caught the edge of the roof and wore a hole in the material. Of course, now the passenger side window catches a teeny tiny bit. So maybe they haven't improved.

convertibles are terrible

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

AtomicBomber posted:

How about "The Clydesdale".
I agree convertibles are for girls.

Clydesdales are way too badass for a V6 package, ya doof :rolleyes:

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
What's visibility out the rear window like with those louvres?

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
It's not uncommon for a car to be well-put-together stock, but still have pretty good potential for easy power gains. The Mazdaspeed3/6 have an INSANELY restrictive intake, and I know the SN95 had a similar thing due to including a 'silencer' to meet sound emission standards. Pull that silencer out and you got some actual power gains, and I think it even improved MPG.

Basically, emissions are a common bottleneck and replacing them with well-breathing parts makes for badical gains.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
I really need to go down to the big Ford dealership and see if they have any Lava Red cars in stock. It looks like a really interesting color in photos, and I'm sure it looks better in person.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Just because the bumper popped back into place doesn't mean the unibody underneath didn't sustain some serious damage. I'd imagine that's what set off the airbag.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

frozenphil posted:

Awesome choices, man!

Now go ahead and start saving up :thumbsup:

You are an evil, evil person, frozenphil.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
That's at the wheels? Jesus Christ.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

frozenphil posted:

Car Porn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhu3p1rz8XY

All I can think of when I listen to that is "snort snort snort snort snort"

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Is that a Roush grille?

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
It is, as is the 5.0.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Compared to the 5.0, the Ecoboost 3.5 produces equal or better (I forget) horsepower and pound-feet numbers, and the Ecoboost gets better mileage. Despite this being AMURRIKA :patriot: , people are recognizing that the Ecoboost V6 is a better engine than the V8*. The Ecoboost costs a little more than the V8, too.

Too bad V6s still sound like poo poo.

* For the F150.

Dick Burglar fucked around with this message at 04:22 on Jul 6, 2011

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

frozenphil posted:

UNF!
So jealous right now. You really can't go wrong with the GT500. Whatever you do, don't go to this link right here if you plan on sticking to those modding plans. I wouldn't want you to see that 675rwhp is $4k away. ;)

You are such a bastard, frozenphil.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Yeah, but driving like a dickhead can mean there's more poo poo being abused than just the engine. I wonder if there's damage the seller isn't disclosing.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Last I heard the number of transmission complaints was at 32. Source

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

frozenphil posted:

Out of how many thousand?

You said less than a half-dozen. I corrected you on the number. I didn't say anything else.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
That car is... gross.

Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006

H3LLC4T posted:

crash the poo poo out of their car and end up with a box of Ju Ju Fruits up their rear end from the new insurance premiums.

What does this even mean?

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Dick Burglar
Mar 6, 2006
Is it still based on the 5.4 or is this a bored-out Coyote?

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