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This just made me realize something about the Cosmere. Full spoilers for all released books so far: I like that villains basically never overstay their welcome. The Lord ruler just works as a complex (but still unquestionably evil) character because he dies in the first book. Ruin is getting built up properly over Well of Ascension, and then gets dealt with in Hero of Ages. Sadeas bites it when the scope clearly grows beyond petty "realist" power politics in the vein of GoT, and moves into the proper "epic high fantasy" direction. Original Odium gets replaced by a much more scary version in book 4! Sure, Autonomy is still around after The Lost Metal, but she hasn't really been the focus of the books. The Odium thing is genius, really. It's still the shard of hatred, but Taravodium is probably a lot more clever, and will at least at first not be as invested in just destroying what he can have as Rayse was. The overarching villain somehow both stays the same and changes a lot. I'm really exciting to see how Taravodium shakes out. And you have the hints about the Roshar/Scadrial cold (?) war going on in the future, and who is driving this? Freed Taravodium? Ruin-dominated Sazed? What's going on??
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I well remember your reaction to that particular scene! Here of Ages is soooo good!
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Scadrial and especially Roshar would be great for a video game. Ten orders = ten classes, you surely can make a great RPG set on Roshar.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:I am bordering on 50% done with HoA. What else do I need to read before Rhythm of War? Warbreaker, Dawnshard. Anything else? That's it. You can read the rest after Rhythm of War, at most the worlds of White Sand or Shadows for Silence in the Forests of Hell get some Easter Egg like mentions.
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Apr 4, 2024 23:55
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A Sneaker Broker posted:I finished Warbreaker... In general, I would recommend reading Rhythm of War before Mistborn Era 2 (specifically The Lost Metal), for a similar reason I'd recommend reading Warbreaker before Words of Radiance.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:RoW- Chapter 9 It really is coming together in this book. I also really appreciate the artifabrians discovering that mixing fabrials with certain metals produces different effects. Navani would probably kill for the metallic arts lore that is common knowledge among the nobles of the Final Empire.
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Mordiceius posted:PROGRESS! Some of your questions/confusions are certainly RAFO material, but I will answer what's not a spoiler: So you read Arcanum Unbounded, which means I can talk a bit about this. The Fused can "respawn" when they die, yes. And they do this on Damnation/the Torture Realm. Arcanum Unbounded gave you the proper name of that planet, it's Braize. And AU also told you that Braize is the world where Odium resides. Where Odium is trapped, really. So it's reasonable to assume the Fused respawn where Odium is. And the Stormfather lays it out pretty directly how the Oathpact works to keep the Fused on Braize/Damnation: Stormfather posted:THEY GAVE THEMSELVES UP. AS ODIUM IS SEALED BY THE POWERS OF HONOR AND CULTIVATION, YOUR HERALDS SEALED THE SPREN OF THE DEAD INTO THE PLACE YOU CALL DAMNATION. THE HERALDS WENT TO HONOR, AND HE GAVE THEM THIS RIGHT, THIS OATH. So Honor granted the Heralds the power to trap the Fused on Braize. By the simple act of being on Braize, they could prevent the Fused from returning to Roshar. And since the Heralds were basically immortal, Honor took that to mean that once the Heralds and the Fused were on Braize, it would be over. But if a Herald agreed to let the Fused pass, the Heralds and the Fused would return to Roshar. And so the Fused began to search for the Heralds, and then started torturing them once they had caught them. Because of their special bond, the Heralds could share the pain and withstand the torture for a while, but they began to break sooner and sooner, which is not surprising given their mental state. So yes, the Fused are trapped on Braize as long as there are Heralds to torture, but that's more or less an unintended consequence of the nature of the Oathpact. The Fused are trapped as long as the Heralds are on Braize. But since a Heralds breaking means the way back to Roshar is open, the Fused are obviously always torturing them. And the cycle would look like this: A Herald broke, they all returned to Roshar and had a bit of time to get everybody ready, and shortly after, the Fused began to arrive on Roshar, too. They fought until they killed most of the Fused, and all Heralds who died respawned on Braize like the dead Fused, while the living Heralds somehow also went back to Braize. That sealed the Fused until a Herald broke. Repeat for a very long time. But in the Last Desolation, only Talenel died. The one who had never broken. Honor had warned them that they all needed to return to Braize to keep the Oathpact intact, but they ignored the warning, fabricated some bullshit story about the war being won, and went their way, leaving Taln to be tortured for 4500 years. And it turns out, one Herald was indeed enough to keep the Oathpact intact for a long time. So to answer your four questions you're confused about : "If none of the Heralds have "died" and are in Torture Realm, how did they keep the Fused from respawning?" "How do the Heralds/Fused get teleported to Torture Realm?" There probably was never a Desolation where none of the Heralds died. And we don't know all the details, but killed Fused need to return to Braize and then go back to Roshar, a process that takes some unspecified amount of time. The Heralds method to get to Braize and back to Roshar is apparently faster. But we have zero information how they travel between the planets, neither for the Heralds nor for the Fused. So I guess a Desolation worked like this: The Heralds got the humans and the Knight Radiants organized, they killed most active Fused, and then the Heralds went back to Braize to seal the Fused there, while the KR killed the remaining Fused, including the few who managed to respawn before the Heralds went back. In the Last Desolation, Taln died, so he went back, while the others remained on Roshar. "Why do the Heralds have to stay in Torture Realm getting tortured?" Because the mere presence of the Heralds on Braize seals away the Fused, that's just how the Oathpact works. Getting tortured is incidental. "Why did the ancient listener souls become spren that can respawn?" RAFO
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Sorry for the double post, I just wanted to avoid mixing up the spoilers and getting Mordiceius spoiled.A Sneaker Broker posted:I have finished Rhythm of War and I can now talk all Stormlight Spoilers! Praise the Stormfather! Yeah, the prologue of Stormlight 5 is absolutely crazy. And that theory is really popular among fandom, and would also fit quite nicely with some WoB: Namely, that Talenel never broke. Which would make Chanarach breaking after being sent back when Shallan killed her the obvious explanation. As for Rhythm of War:Taravangian must honor all agreements Odium made. Remember, spren and shards cannot break their words without harming themselves. Wheter Taravodium manages to find some loophole to exploit in the Contest of Champions agreement like the epilogue implied remains to be seen. Torrannor fucked around with this message at 05:04 on Apr 16, 2024 |
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meatbag posted:In RoW, when Dalinar touches Nale, there are eight lines extending from him, and they talk about the Oathpact. I took it as lines extending to the other extant Heralds, given that Jezrien was dead at that point? That's my read, yes. What else could it be? CapnAndy posted:And a third, if need be! Pattern repeatedly offers to break their bond and die, in full confidence that Shallan will be sent a new Cryptic. It’s very odd. Full Stormlight spoilers Especially since other kinds of spren are much more reluctant to bond humans at all. Yet the Cryptics have decided to sacrifice as many of their number as necessary to have one of them bonded to Shallan. At this point, what else but the Herald daughter theory would make sense of this extremely odd behavior?
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Some characters in Sandersons books die, but it's to fit their character arc or for story purposes, it's never done to shock you.
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Mordiceius posted:gently caress Terry Goodkind. Glad that rear end in a top hat is dead.  Also, remember that banning guns is the same as banning fire, also communism is bad, and also, mass war crimes are good if they are done by the right people. Also also, the Clintons are extras super duper bad, which is why the Clinton stand-ins die from an incurable STD, in addition to all the other bad things that happened to them in the end. Objectivism is the only correct way to think, and being vegan is evil. Also also, being a pacifist is evil. I can hardly believe I read all this crap as a teenager.
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A Sneaker Broker posted:Brandon actually said in either the preface (or after-word, I forgot) that Alloy of Law was actually a writing exercise turned story. You’ll get the juicy goodness you came for in the last three books, even though Alloy of Law is a hell of a read as is. Great post as always. One thing to note is that Brandon said the Wax & Wayne books take place during the time skip between Stormlight Archive 5 and 6. You can infer that from Sazed's letter to Hoid that he's searching for "A....sword, you might say, who can both protect and kill." And that sword of course is Wax. Personally, I think the Ghostbloods are first and foremost an organization Kelsier founded to protect Scadrial, not necessarily all worlds. And that the individual parts of the organization have a lot of freedom on how to act. Which explains their status as an antagonist in Stormlight Archive. As for Wax and Lessie, I suspect "Lessie" would just not have become pregnant in any case. I don't think Kandra can become pregnant in the first place.
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