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Jason Scherier should just play Ogre Battle.
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Annath posted:Still in my top 5 RPGs though. Probably in my top 5 games tbh. I enjoyed it way more than I enjoyed 3 or 5. name your top five rpgs and say troubleshooter abandoned children is one of them or i will wrestle you
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Apr 22, 2024 20:03
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TheMightyBoops posted:Jason Scherier should just play Ogre Battle. but shouldnt everyone play this?
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Apr 22, 2024 20:06
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persona 4 is fine it just mostly got that weird lgbt game rep because none of the people who played it wanted to play actual lgbt games like fate/extra
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Apr 22, 2024 20:11
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The Extra Credits video on Persona 4 did lasting damage to people online.
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Apr 22, 2024 20:13
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You have to remember 2008 America was insanely repressed about homosexuality, even acknowledging it (in a problematic way) was novel to people. It is actually kinda unbelievable how much culture changed over a fairly short period of time. I'm not saying that's the intended takeaway from Atlus or anything but people perceive things based on their experience at the time.
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oh lol, that was the same year i kissed a girl came out, wasn't it?
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Apr 22, 2024 20:21
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I remember on Deviantart any kind of homo content was considered the nastiest, perviest filth, on a website named Deviantart lol.Snooze Cruise posted:oh lol, that was the same year i kissed a girl came out, wasn't it? mycot fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Apr 22, 2024 |
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Apr 22, 2024 20:23
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Clarste posted:I don't remember a single thing about the fantasy politics of Suikoden 2, but I do remember that the villain was the evilest person ever and also unkillable because of his ability to shout really loud that he didn't want to die yet. This made him insanely popular among anyone who played the game. I don't think he ever actually shouted that, but he sure was hard to keep down, yeah.
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Incidentally, whenever anyone says they want a game with politics they always mean they want a third neutral country in between the evil empire and the good kingdom, as opposed to playing the game that takes the bold position that Irish terrorism is morally correct if it's to oppose British rule.
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Apr 22, 2024 20:23
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I don't need a political reason to play a game. I just want to fight a villain with a sappy tragic backstory who chews scenery every time I see them.
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Apr 22, 2024 20:25
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Clarste posted:Incidentally, whenever anyone says they want a game with politics they always mean they want a third neutral country in between the evil empire and the good kingdom, as opposed to playing the game that takes the bold position that Irish terrorism is morally correct if it's to oppose British rule. I'm blanking, what game is this?
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It's always Arknights.
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Apr 22, 2024 20:27
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Oh I should have known, lol. I was stuck on rpgs.
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Snooze Cruise posted:name your top five rpgs and say troubleshooter abandoned children is one of them or i will wrestle you I haven't played Troubleshooter yet, so please don't wrestle me. In no particular order: Persona 4 Chrono Trigger Dragon Warrior Monsters (1 and 2) Dark Souls 3 (does it count? "Soulslike" has become it's own thing) Final Fantasy V
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Apr 22, 2024 20:30
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Annath posted:Dark Souls 3 (does it count? "Soulslike" has become it's own thing) Soulslike games are a category of action-RPGs and should be fair game for this topic. And you're definitely not alone in thinking DS3 is the best of them!
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I like DS 2 the best but I promised myself I’d never get into a debate about it again.
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TheMightyBoops posted:I like DS 2 the best but I promised myself I’d never get into a debate about it again. why bring it up then
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mycot posted:You have to remember 2008 America was insanely repressed about homosexuality, even acknowledging it (in a problematic way) was novel to people. It is actually kinda unbelievable how much culture changed over a fairly short period of time. I'm not saying that's the intended takeaway from Atlus or anything but people perceive things based on their experience at the time.
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ff16's problem isn't the plot turn, it's that maehiro is kind of a boring character writer and 90% of what informs his writing is "i liked working on final fantasy tactics". when it came to writing the last few bad guys in 16 he just kinda ran out of character ideas that weren't, this one's androgynous, this one's kind of a pervert and this one is an homage to the villain of the game i like
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Apr 22, 2024 20:52
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2008 was like, after gay marriage was already a big issue and a decent chunk of people supported it? Like, it was something being seriously argued for in a legislative context. Certainly there was a lot of pushback too, but it was absolutely not something the USA was unwilling to even talk about at the time. It was probably the most openly discussed period for it in history?
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*pushes glasses up nose* actually gamers, you will find that Dark Souls 2 is the superior entry into the franchise.
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what makes people have the takeaway of persona 4 they do is in fact, just that it was a really weird and unique game they played as a teen and that sense of style and the few interesting ideas its writing touches on are enough to make people brush over the vast majority of its flaws and take a more charitable and deeper than intended read out of it
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Buffy the Vampire Slayer had a gay character like 10 years before Persona 4.
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Clarste posted:2008 was like, after gay marriage was already a big issue and a decent chunk of people supported it? Like, it was something being seriously argued for in a legislative context. Certainly there was a lot of pushback too, but it was absolutely not something the USA was unwilling to even talk about at the time. It was probably the most openly discussed period for it in history? 2008 was when California, the liberal hippie drug sex enclave, passed Prop 8 to ban same sex marriage and that along with the election was generating an intense amount of media coverage and public activism, almost more then when MA passed the first law allowing gay marriage.
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Yeah, it barely passed and was super controversial, ie: it was a hot topic that everyone was talking about. It was not an era where "even a problematic mention was unheard of."
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like this is also the case for other aspects of persona 4. none of the characters are particularly deep and yet it is a cast people got deeply attached to, because for a lot of people they'd never seen a game try to do the stuff persona 4 was playing at doing with them before, and especially never with the flair that it has. it's something that kinda applies to all of modern persona, really, but 4's small town rural setting is the perfect one to really give off an intimate atmosphere with its cast
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I don't really see how like, 2008 was a more culturally repressed time = americans didn't know gays exist
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I am responding to the sentence "even acknowledging it was novel to people." Which is, like, no? It was the biggest, most controversial issue of the year and constantly in the news. Everyone was acknowledging it constantly, no matter what side of the issue they were on. Gay visibility was at an all-time high.
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Zokari posted:why bring it up then I still like it. There was some time where anywhere on the internet if any Dark Souls game came up or was even just was mentioned it would derail any conversation and make it about which one was the best.
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I'd be curious to hear what made Dark Souls 2 your favorite. I haven't played it in nearly a decade, so having your perspective on it might be a good motivation to give it a replay!
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I won't have time to play Eiyuden Chronicle Hundred Heroes or SaGa Emerald Beyond until this weekend, being old sucks.
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Mass Effect came out in 2007 and you could have gay sex with an alien. Admittedly, I can see how P4 would get points for at least appearing more introspective about it.
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Clarste posted:2008 was like, after gay marriage was already a big issue and a decent chunk of people supported it? Like, it was something being seriously argued for in a legislative context. Certainly there was a lot of pushback too, but it was absolutely not something the USA was unwilling to even talk about at the time. It was probably the most openly discussed period for it in history? In 2008 both primary candidates for the presidency of the "liberal" party were against it. It was absolutely not being seriously argued for in a legislative context except maybe by some fringe members. It wouldn't be until Obama's second term when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage that suddenly that wing of the party decided public opinion was on their side and their positions "evolved". Don't even need to mention the Republican position on this was and that it remains unchanged.
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For what it's worth, I should have specified that I only played P4 Golden. I never played the OG.
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Tequila Bob posted:I'd be curious to hear what made Dark Souls 2 your favorite. I haven't played it in nearly a decade, so having your perspective on it might be a good motivation to give it a replay! I like that you can approach it in a myriad of ways with how the map's laid out, the way that the curse seems to affect even the land itself (the Earthen Peak > Iron Keep elevator for instance), the graphics lending themselves to the dark fantasy feel (and I find it a comfy aesthetic here). I loved how you could be invaded at anytime back when it was active. Majula is a beautiful hub with a haunting song. The DLC is all pretty fun to run through too, and fights like Sinh and Fume Knight are my favorite in the whole series including ER. While 3 had a better roster of boss fights all around, I find the linearity dull in comparison especially when the first half feels kind of like a slog to me, and the DLC outside of the bosses didn't really grip me. The enemies felt rather overtuned in Ringed City particularly. Really all DS2 needs for me to like it even more is a password system/removal of soul memory to facilitate multiplayer better.
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there is no fundamental difference between persona 4 and golden other than that if you like persona 4, golden gives you more of what you would like about persona 4
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i think ds2 just had the misfortune to be peoples' first experience with a from game sequel. it's not any worse than any of the other mildly janky followups they'd done in the past, just when king's field 3 came out king's field 2 was another weird ps1 rpg and not one of the most popular and lauded games of all time so kf3 being a weird sort of step down in a lot of areas while having its own weird charm didn't lead to it getting argued about for 20 years after
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Janissary Hop posted:In 2008 both primary candidates for the presidency of the "liberal" party were against it. It was absolutely not being seriously argued for in a legislative context except maybe by some fringe members. It wouldn't be until Obama's second term when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gay marriage that suddenly that wing of the party decided public opinion was on their side and their positions "evolved". Don't even need to mention the Republican position on this was and that it remains unchanged. It doesn't matter if they were supporting gay marriage or not, the point was that everyone was publicly acknowledging that gay people existed (and should be fine with civil unions or whatever). Gays were visible. If Kanji was the first maybe-gay character you encountered in media you were living in a hole, that's what I am saying.
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Type Moon has been ahead of its time on lgbt representation pretty much since its inception. Shiki Ryougi's nonbinary deal, Rider bisexualing all over the place in Hollow Ataraxia, etc
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