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ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


My PRS-T2 died earlier this week. Not sure what happened, it went to sleep normally, wouldn't come out of sleep, I hit the reset button and the screen went blank with some interesting triangle patterns in one corner. It appears to be completely toast.

I figured I'd just get whatever the new PRS is, only to find out that Sony apparently got out of the e-reader business completely last year. I ended up getting the Kobo Glo HD instead, and I'm really happy with it. Nice crisp display, and the integrated light is fantastic. The touchscreen is responsive enough that I don't miss the hardware buttons. My wife has a bit of e-reader lust (she's still using her PRS-650, which she's taken much better care of than I did of my 650 or my T2).

In the process of deciding this, I did a bunch of research on the Kobo models currently available -- would anyone be interested in a Kobo effortpost? I noticed that the OP just said Kobo info was "coming soon".

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ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


doctorfrog posted:

I'd also like to know about Kobo. One major downside of the Kobo Mini that I had (other than the poo poo battery that quit after less than two years) was that it required online activation AND didn't have a password lock option, which is really dumb if you ever lose the device to a thief.

I just did some experimentation with mine, and wow, it's incredibly stupid.

On first boot, it requires you to connect to the net and log in with Kobo. You don't need an actual Kobo account -- you can use an existing google account, or facebook, or a bunch of others -- but it's not usable until you do this. It then keeps some sort of auth token around so it can log in without needing username/password. You don't ever need to go online again to use it, though.

You can at any point choose to "sign out" from the settings menu. This causes it to throw away all of its state, including things like reading progress/currently read books, reboot, and go through initial setup again. It keeps the books currently loaded on it, but has to "process content" on boot to load them all again, and it'll forget which ones you have read/are currently reading. At no point does it warn you that this will happen.

That said, if you're worried about someone stealing it and using it to get into your Kobo account, your best bet is probably to log in using Google instead of creating a dedicated Kobo account. If something happens to the e-reader, you can revoke Kobo's use of those auth tokens from the Google account management page and lock it out.

Foxtrot_13 posted:

I also buy books where they are cheapest/have vouchers then use Calibre and the DRM plugin to strip out the crap.

Ditto.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Markovnikov posted:

I would like to know more about the Kobo's. I have a Kindle, but might look into changing soon, since some little things annoy me. Is the e-book reader market nowadays really only Kobo and Amazon? That's kinda sad. Also, please stop putting touch-only interfaces on everything.

Alright, here we go.

Kobo E-Readers

At the moment there are -- at least in Canada, which is where the manufacturer is based -- four Kobo readers on the market: Touch 2.0, Aura, Glo HD, and Aura H2O. You can buy them online or get them in pretty much any Chapters store.

Common stuff

All of these readers are touch screen only (no hardware buttons except power, or power + light on some models) and run Kobo's custom Linux-based firmware. They all need a net connection to set up -- either a wifi connection to the reader itself, or a USB connection to a networked computer running the Kobo software. Once set up you can sideload to your heart's content, though. All of them have integrated wifi and 4GB of internal storage. They also all claim 2 months of battery life, but that's with wifi off and at a completely laughable use rate of 30 minutes per day.

Kobo Touch 2.0
MSRP: $90
Size: 157x115x9mm, 185g
Screen: 6" 800x600 Pearl

The entry-level model, this is basically a Sony PRS without the hardware buttons. It's the cheapest model, but there's realistically no reason to get it; the Aura is only $10 more and better across the board. The Touch 2.0 is also the only one to use IR touch sensors rather than the more responsive capacitive design, and the only one without integrated lighting.

Kobo Aura
MSRP: $100
Size: 150x114x8mm, 174g
Screen: 6" 1024x768 Pearl with Regal controller

This is the cheapest one that's actually a serious contender, with more up to date screen tech and integrated lighting. It also lacks the raised rim common to most other e-readers; the front is completely flat, which is a neat effect. Personally, I think this is the best-looking option. The 1024x768 screen drags it down, though; it looks fine on its own, but put it next to something with a Carta-based screen (like the next two Kobos) and it looks dull and blurry.

Kobo Glo HD
MSRP: $130
Size: 157x115x9mm, 180g
Screen: 6" 1448x1072 Carta

Screen specs are similar to the Kindle Paperwhite. Integrated lighting can be controlled by sliding your finger along the frame, which is nice. Not much to say about this one, it doesn't have any fancy gimmicks or any notable drawbacks.

Kobo Aura H2O
MSRP: $180
Size: 179x129x10
Screen: 6.8" 1430x1080 Carta

The "H2O" here comes from the fact that it's water and dust resistant. Not very -- it's rated for half an hour in up to 1m of water -- but enough that it will survive being dropped in the bathtub, or rained on heavily. If you do a lot of reading in the bath, it might be worth it. The drawback is that the larger screen makes this significantly larger and heavier than the other models; it will no longer fit in most coat or cargo-pant pockets.

Dominoes posted:

Kobo Aura H20 gripes; only reader I've used, so can't compare to Kindle etc:
-Using Calibre with it breaks it until you do a factory reset
That absolutely shouldn't happen; file a bug report. If it's a recent version of calibre it should just work; if it's an older version, it will refuse to talk to the kobo unless you turn on a "try writing to unsupported kobos, warning: this will probably require you to factory reset" option which is off by default.

quote:

-Home page is crappy / trying to sell you stuff / no way to make it your book library

I haven't found a way to make it display more useful stuff, but you can at least dismiss the annoying stuff with long-press.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Karthe posted:

Does the Kobo software indicate in any way how far into a book are you? One of the things that drives me nuts about my NST is that I have no idea whether or not I've read a book until I load one up and notice that it resumes on the last page.

Yes. In the book you have a choice between page number, % read, or estimated time remaining, per chapter or for the whole book. In the homescreen or library it just shows % complete. It also lets you mark books as "unread", "reading", or "finished" and filter by those; newly added books default to "unread", change to "reading" the first time you open them and become "finished" when you read the last page. These also show up as tags in Calibre, so you can bulk-edit the read status of your books.

quote:

The NST also sucks for organizing books since everything gets dumped into a single bookshelf. Do Kobo devices allow you to organize your books into separate groups for easy perusal?

There's an e-reader that doesn't have this feature? :psyduck:

But yes, it lets you organize your books into "collections", either just as tags or as series (i.e. there's a definite order to the books within the collection). You can choose to list only specific collections, and in the library it'll also show what series a book belongs to (and what number it has in that series).

If you use Calibre for ebook management, Calibre series and tag information will automatically be represented as Kobo collections.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


So here's a weirdness.

I got a Kobo Glo HD recently to replace my old Sony. My wife got a Kobo Aura H2O for christmas. Same manufacturer, same generation of hardware, exactly the same firmware version.

But when she finishes reading a book, she gets a stats page summarizing things like reading time and page rate. I don't. She didn't need to change any settings to get this and I can't find any settings on mine to enable it.

Anyone know how to turn this on for the Glo?

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


hope and vaseline posted:

Are you reading a store bought book? The stats stuff only shows up for their proprietary kepubs. Or you could change the extension of your files to .kepub.epub.

Oh, that would explain it -- I've been sideloading my existing collection via Calibre, she's been reading stuff from the kobo store.

That's stupid as hell.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Lazyhound posted:

e2: I skimmed over an option in the "Adding books" prefs, auto-merge seems to be mostly working now. Now I just need to figure out how to a) make it do title-only matching b) stop it from renaming the files.

I'm not sure (b) is possible. Calibre assumes that if you're giving it a file, it gets to manage that file, including where it's stored and what it's named. In general, you should treat the calibre library on disk as a black box; if you want ebooks with a different file naming structure for compatibility with some device or other software, export the books to that device with the name format you need, don't read them directly out of the library.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


gmq posted:

If I wanted to read comics, would a cheap android tablet be enough? I have a paperwhite but it's annoying for that kind of thing.

Yeah, just install Perfect Viewer on it and go nuts.

I have a Lenovo Helix laptop/tablet hybrid, which is complete dogshit as a laptop, but with android-x86 and PV installed makes a pretty good comic reader.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

Can someone with one of the giant drive kindle oasis or kobo auro ones try to load up a few gigs of books on there and see if it loads and works? As a USB drive and in calibre, I mean.

The reason I ask is I want to get one or the other, but with my nook, if I load up a ton of books the nook just flat out stops responding and I can't easily add more to it.

I don't want to drop 300 bucks on a bigger ereader if the only thing it'll do when I load a shitton of books is just stop me from ever adding anything else.

It'd be cool to have my entire collection on one ereader.

Not "a few gigs", but my Kobo handles ~500 books just fine via Calibre.

N.b. I haven't really tested this since the latest Kobo firmware update (the one that completely redid the UI), because I installed KOReader about that time.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


hope and vaseline posted:

Looks like an updated Glo HD at a lower price point, not too bad.

I loved my Glo HD and was very sad when it died and I found out that they'd discontinued it, leaving me with the inferior Aura, so this is exciting news.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Koreader trip report, now that I've been using it for a few months.

Cons:
- Book browser isn't as good as the Kobo one, let alone the Sony one; more complicated rules in Calibre for where to put the books on the device can mitigate this somewhat
- You need to exit out to the boot menu to connect it to USB¹, unlike the OFW which can USB mount at any time
- A bunch of settings are only accessible by editing a config file over USB and not from the built in settings screen, like how long before it goes to sleep

Pros:
- white-on-black nighttime mode
- the actual reading part gives you a lot more options, which is especially good if you get ebooks from authors/publishers who are terrible at typesetting them²
- PDF reader is way better than Kobo's and supports reflowing
- built in OPDS browser
- supports³ the Calibre Companion protocol, so you can connect to it over wifi and push books to it from Calibre
- built in SSH server, so you can also mount it over wifi (using sshfs) and treat it as a removable drive that way

Overall, it's noticeably less polished than OFW, but has a lot more customization options and can do a lot more, and the experience of actually reading the books is better, it's just everything surrounding that that's kind of clunky.

¹ You can still charge at any time, just not access the filesystem
² You can of course fix them permanently in Calibre regardless, but :effort:
³ Partially⁴ -- you can send books but not list or delete them, yet
⁴ Since the author of the original Calibre Companion app never released the source code, so all the e-reader behaviour has to be reverse engineered

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Waynebo posted:

koreader also supports autocropping of PDFs which is the biggest pain when reading PDFs (especially academic ones). There's a lot of unnecessary whitespace that koreader (and tablets) can autocrop out.

koreader allows wifi delivery of books from calibre: https://github.com/koreader/koreader/wiki/Calibre-wireless-connection

Yeah, I mentioned that in my post (and have contributed patches to it), but it's pretty limited because stuff like book listing/deleting isn't implemented on the koreader side.

That said, I just found out that koreader added SSH support a few months ago. It's pretty basic -- in particular, there's no support for SCP, SFTP, or rsync -- but it turns out it's possible to reimplement the useful parts using some shell scripting on the local side and just the utilities that koreader comes with on the remote side.

I now just have a "books on kobo" directory on my laptop, which Calibre manages as a device using the "connect to folder" option. When I want to push more books to the kobo, I connect it to the wifi and then shsync send ~/Books/kobo /mnt/onboard/Books root@kobo. This is a lot faster than Calibre Wireless Sync and supports listing and deleting books, too.

And of course having ssh at all makes it easy to change configuration settings, push new dictionaries, and the like.

quote:

I'm able to switch from it and Nickel (kobo's OS) from each other so it's not that bad. koreader's interface is pretty bad though and the code is a mess. I have a half-implemented wallabag (like Pocket/Instapaper) integration that I need to get back to, but their codebase is annoying.

The UI could definitely use some work, although honestly I think the stock Kobo UI is pretty bad as well and badly miss the Sony PRS-650 UI.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


My Kobo got run over and no longer boots :negative:

I have the worst goddamn luck with these things, my Sony reader lasted forever.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


MrBond posted:

Are the kobo readers any good? I wouldn't mind something comparable to my kindle voyage featureset (hi-dpi screen, backlighting, "buttons") but it's really hard to leave the kindle ecosystem, not least of which because of all the DRM.

I've been using Kobos ever since Sony got out of the e-reader market and have been pretty happy with them. Hardware-wise, all of them have integrated lighting and wifi support, and screen resolution is 200-300dpi depending on what version you get. They have 4-8GB of internal storage and no SD card port.

If you buy books through Kobo they get automatically synced on the e-reader via wifi, otherwise you can sideload them over USB using Calibre, ADE, or drag-and-drop. I'm not super happy with the top-level UI (but don't know how it compares to Kindles), but the actual in-book UI is fine.

They don't support AZW, but they support the other "big" formats (EPUB, PDF, and MOBI), and if you can get the DRM off your AZWs Calibre can convert them to EPUB. Stuff you buy from the Kobo store will almost always be EPUB with ADEPT DRM, and Calibre can strip the DRM if you want to convert them to another format.

If you're into tinkering, there's also an open-source firmware for them, KOReader, which has much better PDF support, more formatting/typesetting options, and the ability to sideload books over wifi, at the cost of being somewhat clunkier and unpolished in general.

Model-wise, there's only four to choose from:
- Aura Edition 2: cheapest, 6" 200dpi. Clara HD is only $10 more so there's not much reason to get this, but it does sometimes go on sale for <$80 which makes it a lot more tempting if you want an e-reader on the cheap. Note that while it has lighting, it's the only model without redshift support.
- Clara HD: basically an Aura E2 with a 300dpi screen and twice as much storage for $10 more. The best choice if you just want a compact e-reader.
- Aura H2O: 7" 265dpi, waterproof. I find this an awkward size where it's too large to be convenient, but not large enough for reading comics or non-reflowable full page PDFs. On the plus side, you can take it in the pool or shower. My wife has one of these and loves it.
- Aura ONE: 8" 300dpi. This is way too large for me but if you need maximum viewable area this is the one you want.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


hope and vaseline posted:

If my Kobo Glo HD ever starts feeling sluggish I'll upgrade to the Clara.

I had a Kobo Glo HD but it died in a tragic physics-related accident just after they discontinued the model in favour of the Aura Edition 2, which is not as good. :(

I mean, I like the Aura E2, but I liked the Glo HD more.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


MrBond posted:

Oh yeah, how is the overdrive support? Outside of the aura one, is it just epub with adobe drm?

Speaking of adobe drm, I heard adobe's software to load books is truly atrocious :(

Adobe Digital Editions? Yeah, it's pretty garbage.

The good news is that if you don't mind buying through the Kobo website, you can just do that (or buy on the e-reader itself) and the books sync to the reader next time it connects to wifi. And if you do, or want to remove DRM, you can rip the keys out of ADE and use Calibre to manage your books instead.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008



Has Kobo just given up on making 6" e-readers or something? I wonder if I should be stockpiling Claras.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


im on the net me boys posted:

what the hell kind of problems are you having with your ebooks

I'm not the person you were asking, but off the top of my head: lovely indenting, lovely fonts, lovely line spacing, and hosed up footnotes. Pirate OCRs of out of print sci-fi books from the 70s are better typeset than like half the commercially edited and published ebooks I buy.

That said, I've mostly stopped manually repairing ebooks since Koreader has an option to turn off embedded styles when reading and that fixes 99% of the issues.

Totally Huge posted:

I liked the Kobo quite a bit but dislike the store and having to strip drm and manually load files, etc. The worst thing was the lack of whispersync, though.

Isn't Whispersync just the same "buy books and have them loaded on your e-reader over the internet" thing that all Kobos have, except over the cell network rather than wifi? Are you out of wifi coverage often enough that that's a problem?

DRM is the same story, Kobo and Kindle e-readers both use DRM, they just use different formats. So if you're habitually stripping DRM from the books you buy for your Kobo, wouldn't you be doing the same thing for your Kindle books?

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


fishmech posted:

Absolutely not? It's syncing your location in books across devices.

Most Kindle devices don't even have the cell radio anymore.

Oh. My mistake.

Kobo also does that, though -- reading position, bookmarks, and annotations (and probably some other stuff I'm not remembering) get synced across e-readers and with the Kobo mobile/PC apps.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


FreelanceSocialist posted:


edit: oh and the Aura One has a totally dumb but neat thing where the lock-screen shows the cover and the progress of your most recent book

Wait, doesn't every e-reader do this?

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


im on the net me boys posted:

The point of the thing is that people want an eReader that's not trying to lock them in to a certain ecosystem and that will allow them to tinker around with it without having to crack it. It's got nothing to do with copyright.

The Kobo already fills that niche, though -- it reads open formats and is trivial to load custom firmware onto (and there's at least two custom firmware images for it).

I'm glad this project exists, but I'm not sure how big the user base of "people who want a hackable e-reader but specifically don't want a Kobo" is.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


wolrah posted:

I looked at the source for Awful.apk and they're just screen scraping. There's no special backdoor API or anything.

The nice thing about forums is that the thread content is in a very predictable format so it's not rocket science to parse.

Neat about Calibre, it certainly wouldn't be too hard to create a base page that linked to all the thread pages for that to load and convert directly, though presumably the formatting is still going to be wonky.

I really like this concept so I'm actually trying to learn enough about EPUB formatting to give it a shot. Catching up on a megathread this way would be pretty nice.

You probably don't even need to learn anything epub-specific; scrape the HTML+images, extract all the table.post elements, concatenate them with the necessary CSS and slam the whole thing through calibre's ebook-convert command.

If you don't care about who posted what you can get away with just extracting the td.postbody elements, I think.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


im on the net me boys posted:

I was trying to figure out a way to use the news scraper tool in Calibre, but since there aren't RSS feeds for individual threads I'm not sure what the hell I'd do. By looking at the documentation it look like Calibre is perfectly capable of stitching together HTML files in order into an ebook, but I'm not sure how I would automate the process of saving the forums threads to HTML, nor am I sure how I'd cut out the gunk like avatar, the little buttons, etc.

That would have to be done externally (or you'd have to write a calibre plugin to do it), I think. Probably something like wget --save-cookies to emulate a login, then wget --load-cookies --page-requisites --convert-links --span-hosts to fetch the actual thread content, then wring to peel apart the downloaded HTML and get just the parts you care about.

(I do a lot of "scraping webpages and turning them into epubs", but I haven't done it for SA yet or I'd have a script to share, sorry.)

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Waynebo posted:

If you're using KOReader *and using a kobo device*, check out plato instead. The KOReader code is honestly lua spaghetti hell so if you ever wanted to change things or hack around with it, it's not quite so easy. Plato is in Rust and it's way friendlier to deal with.

KOReader is pretty messy, but it being in Lua also has the big advantage that you can edit it live: plug in the e-reader, edit the script(s) on the reader, reboot it and you're done. Sometimes you don't even need the reboot.

Plato looks pretty neat, but also a lot more feature-poor; most relevantly for me, it doesn't look like it supports ssh (or, more generally, any sort of ability to load books onto it over the wifi), and I don't think I can go back to manually loving around with cables every time I want to add more books.

The documentation also seems to imply that it doesn't read any metadata from the books themselves, and instead you need to run an external command to generate a JSON file that it reads instead, which is...kind of lovely, ergonomically speaking.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Waynebo posted:

I personally just use Calibre for everything because I'm a control freak and organize academic papers/PDFs in it. The KOReader wifi features worked for me but everything is just so janky. It's not anyone's fault, it's a really great project but the age shows. The Rust language, despite all the hypebeasts and general circlejerk from these sort of new language movements, has good tooling and the ecosystem is better than Lua from my experience. That's important since the improved quality of life should allow for faster development. There's an official book to learn Rust that's provided for free with examples to ease you into the language.

Yeah, I've done some work in Rust and quite like it. It's aiming at a completely different niche than Lua but is very good at what it does, and is arguably a better fit for e-reader firmware, hot-reloadability aside.

quote:

Allow Plato to initiate an SSH server doesn't seem to be difficult though, I would imagine you can have an option to just initialize an ssh-client someone created in the ecosystem e.g., https://crates.io/crates/thrussh

For my use, I'd want it to be a server, since that's a lot easier as it lets me do all the typing on the laptop and not the kobo.

I also use Calibre, and it can drop books onto the Kobo easily via USB whether it's running koreader or nickel -- when I can find a working USB cable, anyways, which is harder than it sounds since the Kobo seems to be really picky. The big advantage of having an sshd running on the kobo is that I don't need to worry about that anymore. I have Calibre "sync" the books to a folder on my laptop and then upload them to the kobo over ssh from there.

The koreader "calibre sync" feature is, as you say, super flaky -- I contributed some patches for it which made it less flaky but not actually good -- so using ssh works a lot better in practice.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Dominoes posted:

Are there any readers that work standalone with Epubs and don't try to sell you stuff or make you connect to the internet?

You need a wifi connection to do initial setup on a Kobo (or did last time I set one up), but once you've done that you can turn it off forever and sideload everything and it's fine. You don't even need special software to do the sideloading (although Calibre makes things more convenient), you can just treat it as a USB drive and drag epubs onto it.

A Sony PRS doesn't even need wifi for setup, if you can find one, but they're also pretty old at this point and won't have a frontlight or any sort of support if they break. Which is a shame, because they had by far the best UI and I'm still pissed that Sony got out of the e-reader business. :argh:

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:

When did Kindles stop supporting ePub? I've been using Calibre to send ePubs to my Kindles for years but I don't recall if I've used that function since I got my Oasis.

They never have. Calibre knows what formats each e-reader supports and automatically converts your books to a format the reader understands, if necessary.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


mobby_6kl posted:

Jeez is this somehow controversial with the e-reader crew? I just want to standardize so I don't have to carry 5 different cables when travelling :)

Eh, a few pages ago someone had a huge meltdown at the idea that other people might take into account "what connector the e-reader uses to charge" when making purchasing decisions

I don't think it's controversial apart from that

Personally, I would prefer USB-C, but I still have enough legacy USB-microA stuff that the idea of "standardizing on one cable type" is a distant dream for me regardless, and the fact that the micro ports are stupidly fragile is less of a concern for me now that I have koreader and can sideload books over SSH.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Lazyhound posted:

Are there any tablet-sized e-ink readers that can connect to a Calibre server?

Anything you can install Koreader on can access Calibre's OPDS server and has limited support for network push from Calibre as well, which covers all Kobos and, I think, all Kindles as well. Anything with a web browser on it (including every Kobo) can access Calibre's web server, too.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Snuffman posted:

According to Reddit, the latest version of the Kindle firmware is bring one of my most-wanted-but-still-pointless features: The ability to make your screensaver the cover of the book you're currently reading.

The feature is slowly being rolled out in different regions.

:whoptc: I kind of assumed that every e-reader let you do that

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


JammyB posted:

Yeah I was under the impression that Calibre worked a bit like iTunes for iDevices, being required to manage files. Hadn't appreciated it's more about transforming the file.

It's not at all required, but it does do some useful stuff that just drag-dropping the files around doesn't; it knows what formats the device can read and will automatically convert books to one of those formats as needed, and on devices that support e.g. series information, it'll update that information on the device as well.

It also does a bunch of useful things not directly related to copying ebooks to the e-reader; among other things, it includes a fully-featured ebook editor, which is handy when someone has published an ebook with horribly hosed up margins or something, and it can also act as an OPDS server (for downloading books from calibre to your e-reader over the net) and web server (for downloading and reading books in a browser when you're away from your computer).

But yeah, if all you want to do is move books from computer's hard drive to e-reader's internal memory, calibre is completely optional.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


loquacius posted:

So my Kindle is about due to be replaced, but I'm increasingly anti-Amazon in all facets of my life, and my wife just suggested switching to Nook. I am pretty on-board with this idea, but I already have a whole big Kindle library, and it seems to be DRM'd to hell and back.

Is there a proven method for converting a Kindle library for use on other e-readers? Most of the search results seem sketchy as gently caress (a website for a paid tool made for this purpose, presenting a "guide" where step 1 is "download our software" and so on) and I kinda wanted to ask a neutral party.

It is possible to strip DRM from Amazon books, but it's kind of a pain.

The tl;dr is:
- install a specific old version of the Kindle desktop app, and log in to it
- install Calibre and the DeDRM plugin for it
- tell DeDRM to extract the DRM keys from your old Kindle install
- download all the books through it
- import them all into Calibre and it should automatically strip the DRM from them

I've done this successfully, but only on individual books. I don't see any reason it wouldn't work on your entire library, it would just take a while.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


I have a Libra 1 and my wife has a Sage, they're both pretty nice and the hardware buttons are really nice, especially in winter. They're both bathtub-waterproof, too.

If I have one complaint it's that the builtin light brightness is already "way brighter than I'd ever need" at like 5%; I usually keep it off during the day and at 2% and that's plenty.

She runs hers with the stock firmware, I run mine with Koreader which noticeably reduces battery life but also gives me more customization options and lets me sideload books to it without a USB cable.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


pik_d posted:

I just got a Libra 2 and each time I charge the battery I'm reading an entire book out of the Wheel of Time series. I am doing it at night so the brightness is low, but I still feel like I can't really ask for anything more out of the battery.
If you did it during the day the brightness would be off, that's one of the advantages of e-ink -- it doesn't need to be backlit to read it in normal lighting.

1k pages actually sounds pretty underwhelming, given that more than a decade ago I had an e-reader that advertised 10k page turns and usually managed at least 5-6k on a single charge. It's still enough for most purposes, though, since you can just plug it in overnight to recharge, as long as you aren't taking it camping or something.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


pik_d posted:

That makes me wonder how long it would last without using the backlight. Were those 5-6k pages with or without a backlight?

Without; it didn't have a backlight.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


That is extremely cool. I don't use calibre-web because calibre-server has a better reading UI, but that's definitely something I'm going to remember in case that changes.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Brandon Proust posted:

kobos require an account for setup, but then you're free to drag and drop pdfs or epubs from your computer instead of using their store. newer models also have a "sideload" mode which is supposed to let you not bother with an account at all.

This. And if you really want to get into tinkering you can install the Koreader custom firmware, which has some improved PDF-related stuff, although for most documents it's never going to be as good as reading it in a reflowable format.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Minotaurus Rex posted:

I considered a tablet but since this is yet another screen I think the priority would be how easy it was on the eyes. So.. it’s looking like Amazon (drat it) really I guess as they got that e-ink and also as I already have quite an Audible collection

All of the ones listed have e-ink displays, fyi. I don't think anyone itt is going to recommend an LCD device by default.

If you want to use it to listen to Audible books as well as actually reading things that probably does limit you to the Kindles, though.

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Fart of Presto posted:

Several dates and solutions are being mentioned regarding Kindle books. Here is the latest info as of April 28 2023 according to MobileRead:

Amazon has made some changes to how books can be downloaded. This affects the removal of DRM from these so they can be backed up and sideloaded onto other devices.

[huge effortpost elided]
Thanks for all this info. It's extremely frustrating the way Amazon is devoted to making it as difficult as possible to read their books without buying a Kindle; especially for indie stuff there's a lot that's Amazon-exclusive and that I would like to buy but cannot be hosed to jump through hoops to actually download. They used to have an in-browser kindle reader on read.amazon.com with a "download for offline reading" command, after which you could just schlorp the entire book out of your browser's LocalStorage, but they axed that option a few years ago. (E: Looks like instead of streaming the actual book content to the browser now, they render each 2-page spread to a raster image server-side and stream that to the client, which shoves it into an <img> element. What the gently caress is wrong with Amazon)

(The thread about using kindle-on-android, btw, is here, for anyone who was looking.)

effika posted:

I'm going to sound really, really dumb for asking this, but since I've only used Kindles I've only ever thought about the Amazon Kindle store (and the occasional Kickstarter reward download).

Are most ebooks now available at places other than Amazon? The stores never used to be equivalent.

The short answer: it depends.
The long answer:

For stuff from medium-to-large publishers, it will almost always be available ~everywhere. The two big storefronts that aren't Amazon are Kobo and Google Play Books; if you buy from there you are generally either getting a DRM-free epub, or an Adobe Digital Editions DRM file that will download an encrypted epub you can then read or sideload. (Or you can just read it on your kobo or android e-reader, respectively). There are lots of smaller ones around too, Smashwords is probably the one I use most since they specialize in drm-free stuff. Some authors also run their own storefronts, like C.J. Cherryh and Diane Duane, instead of or in addition to whatever's available on the big sites.

Where you tend to see a lot of amazon-exclusive stuff is indie and selfpub works. A lot of that ends up on Kindle Unlimited, which comes with exclusivity agreements. Even when it's not on KU, uploading your book to a dozen different storefronts and dealing with the accounting and tax headaches of all of them every year just isn't worth it for a lot of authors when you don't have your publisher's e-printing and accountancy divisions to handle that load, and Amazon is the biggest single marketplace. So there's a lot of more niche stuff that only gets published on Amazon, or gets published there first and is released on other storefronts only years later once the exclusivity agreements expire.

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Apr 26, 2008


Bobstar posted:

Yes, that's the word, flush. The old one's bezels aren't flush with the screen, while the new one is flush all the way across.

Are Kobos like that too? Thinking of getting away from Kindle anyway.

Depends on the model.
- The Sage (8") and Forma (7") have flush screens with hardware buttons
- The Elipsa (10") has a flush screen and no buttons
- The Libra (7") has a recessed screen and buttons
- The Clara and Nia (both 6") have recessed screens and no buttons and I'm honestly not sure what the difference is between them.

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