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Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Cyrano4747 posted:


My favorite cold war poo poo is the completely crazy technical stuff that various countries did to gently caress with each other. Like that time the US rigged up a fake cargo transport into a mobile salvage vessel to steal the middle (ie important) section of a Soviet submarine that sank in really deep water due to technical problems.

edit: yes, "steal" is the right word. Salvage law gets all kinds of hosed up when you're talking about warships.

Glomar Explorer built for the CIA by Hughes looking for a new Soviet Sub K-129.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305/index.htm

Edited to correct sub number and include link.

Syrian Lannister fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Dec 17, 2010

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Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

drzrma posted:

There is a book about it, but according to him it isn't particularly accurate which shouldn't be a real surprise considering the nature of the project.

The whole project really fits in that era of insane feats of engineering regardless of the cost and potential consequences, particularly with Hughes being involved. Talking to him about it now though I get the feeling he was just happy to finish the job and get off the ship alive. He used to have a cool set of shot glass sized styrofoam cups, the result of sending ordinary coffee cups down with the claw. I have no idea where they have ended up though, I'll see if I can't find them at some point.

Blind Mans Bluff. Another good one tapping Soviet Sub Command communications under water. Twice.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
I've found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aircraft_Nuclear_Propulsion

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Naramyth posted:


The people up in Special Collections couldn't find that government issued "how to build a bomb shelter" booklet I was talking about. :(

I might have this let me look around. :)

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
The joys of working with a :tinfoil: survivalist I guess.

http://www.4shared.com/dir/4Oghu7t0/sharing.html

These are off one flash drive, I still have three more to go through.

If any of the links do not work, pm me and I'll see what I can do.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Cyrano4747 posted:

Quote this if you had the ever loving gently caress freaked out of you by watching "The Day After" at too young of an age.

No, it wasn't when it was broadcast - I'm not quite NosmoKing levels of old here - but it was on VHS and it was back when Soviets were still scary.


Actually Sy-fi, the old sci-fi channel has played it a couple of times now within the last year or two. I've caught parts of it before going to work. (I'll be 40 next year)

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones


From memory, operational ceiling, sensor packages, range, and weight.

http://roadrunnersinternationale.com/a-12s.html

Also that foi request that was posted mentioned regarding Oxcart was a good read.

Syrian Lannister fucked around with this message at 02:02 on Mar 31, 2011

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
Interesting fact: U2 and Oxcart flights in the late 50's and most of the 60's accounted for half of UFO sightings

http://www.foia.cia.gov/docs/DOC_0000192682/DOC_0000192682.pdf pp. 83-84

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
Seconding this.

Side note, without violating non-disclosure acts, etc, does anyone know if the Soviet's were able/successful at overflights of the Continental US as we were with the U2 and other projects?

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. (DuPage County) In the event of a strike I'd be dust in the wind. There are rail-heads and freight yards, (Aurora / Hodgekins), refineries (Romeoville), Joliet Army Munition Plant, Great Lakes Naval Training Base, O'hare and Midway airports, and a couple of nuclear plants (Zion and Dresden).

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

iyaayas01 posted:



Snagged a copy of "The Effects of Nuclear Weapons" as part of my most recent "buy a bunch of poo poo off of Amazon from my wishlist" buy. It included this:



Anyone interested in a mini-"Let's Read" in this thread?

Hell yes

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Oxford Comma posted:

How did Soviet units earn the "Guards" designation.

Also, who wants to do a PbP game of Twilight:2000?

Guards units are elite units and formations in the armed forces of the former Soviet Union, Belarus, Russia, and Ukraine. These units were awarded Guards status after distinguishing themselves in service, and are considered to have elite status. The Guards designation originated during the Eastern Front (World War II) of 1941–45, its name coming from the Tsarist Imperial Guard.[1] Belarusian: Гвардыя, Hvardyya, Russian: Гвардия, Gvardіya, Ukrainian: Гвардія, Hvardiya.
[edit] History

The title of the Soviet Guards was first introduced on September 18, 1941 in accordance with the decision of the Headquarters of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief (Stavka Verkhovnogo Glavnokomanduyuschego) and by the order №308 of the People's Commissar of Defense for the distinguished services during the Yelnya Offensive. The 100th, 127th, 153rd and 161st Rifle Divisions were renamed into the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th Guards Divisions, respectively. The Soviet 316th Rifle Division was renamed to the 8th Guards Rifle Division on November 18, 1941, following the actions of the panfilovtsy and was given the Panfilovskaya title in honor of its late commander Ivan Panfilov. By December 31, 1941 the 107th, 120th, 64th, 316th, 78th, and 52nd Rifle Divisions had become the 5th through 10th Guards Rifle Divisions.[2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guards_unit

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
http://www.ww2talk.com/forum/eastern-front/8902-soviet-guards-units-please-explain.html

"Guards units had a different TO&E from other units of the same type and size. They generally had a higher establishment of life-saving artillery and automatic weapons, a greater basic load of ammunition and, for much of the war, a priority on supply allocations. Personnel in Guards units received a higher pay scale (1 1/2 time the normal scale for officers and 2 or 3 times the normal scale for troops at various times during the war) plus other privileges. Promotion for both officers and NCOs was accelerated in Guards units. Units named to this status added the word Guards to their name and banner, and every soldier added the word Guards before his rank (e.g., Guards Sergeant, Guards Captain, etc.) and got a Guards badge to wear on his tunic pocket.

In short, members of Guards units were better paid and better fed, had greater prospects for advancement, and, in any given battlefield situation, were better equipped to survive than members of non-Guards units. On the other hand, they could also expect to be employed in the most difficult and dangerous operations."

I'm sure Cyrano will correct me on this, but I'd been under the assumption that Guards units were equipped in the scale that SS units; higher priority, newer/updated gear, etcetera.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-1.pdf

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-2.pdf

http://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm100-2-3.pdf

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Oxford Comma posted:

Is it true Soviet autoloaders like to try and stuff the gunner into the breech from time to time?

I think it is plausible, especially with newly trained or poorly trained gunners.

quote:

This photo is from the gunner's position, with the main gun to the left. Much has been written about the auto-loader "eating" gunners, but this is mostly myth. However, a careless or poorly trained gunner could be seriously injured by the loader system.

http://tankerslife.homestead.com/T72o1.html

quote:

Hoping to purchase a stopgap advanced MBT, Pakistan settled on the T-72. Despite the terrible reputation it earned for itself in the 1990s, largely due to the 1991 Gulf War and debacle in Chechnya, not to mention the auto-loader's established reputation for 'eating' gunner's arms, the T-72 was not a bad choice. It could cope with the extremities of the Pakistani climate, especially the fiercely hot deserts which have become increasingly important in terms of armoured warfare.

http://usmanansari.com/id40.html

From a armor discussion board

quote:

The T-72 is not in any way kind to it's crews, when I first saw one at Duxford I was amazed at how low down it is and the small size of the turret, now the T-64 isn't much bigger, true. However both tanks have different auto loaders, The T-64 has the hydraulic powered 'basket type' while the T-72 has the electric powered 'cassette type' Both are reliable though there were issues with the auto loaders on the T-64A, the whole gunner's losing their arms stories. Due to the ammo storage arrangement on the T-64, the auto-loader itself gives around 3in more head room than a T-72, very useful in a tank as cramped as these. Also because of this the ammo is stored lower in the hull, and thus less exposed, the basket design also allows the carousel to traverse in two directions allowing for faster selection of ammunition loading and thus a faster firing rate, 6-9 seconds, vs 6-14 seconds for the cassette type. The T-72 also has a flaw reminiscent of the T-62 series; a small hatch at the back for the shell stubs are ejected, while this saves room it is not good in an NBC environment, unless however this system can be turned off.

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/2-20197.aspx#startofcomments

quote:

The T-72 autoloader differs from the T-64 and T-80 basket autoloader, in that it has both propellant and projectile stored horizontally. The carousel rotation is limited to 1 direction only. in normal operation, the cassette loader takes 6 seconds to load a round. However, it can take up to 15 seconds to load a round if the round desired is a 355 degree turn of the carousel away. There has been rumors that the autoloader has eaten the hands of gunners, and fed them into the main gun breech, but this is impossible. The gunner would have to put his hand into the breech, after pushing the gun load button. Most likely, the source of this urban legend goes back the the very first autoloader models that were integrated into the T-62 as well as the unprotected hydraulic loading mechanism of the BMP-1 where a uniform could get snagged with moving parts and the resulting injuries.

:nms: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?769-Tank-porn-NSFW/page2 :nws: bronies, anti-Semitic remarks, etc.

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Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

quote:

Barrel Talk

Why? Is it saving weight on the steel/ammo or more a cost saving measure?

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

Taerkar posted:

I remember a B-17 that made a semi-successful crash landing after all the crew bailed out. There's a picture of it in the background while you see a B-17 divot in the ground in the foreground.

Isn't that the Lady Be Good?

e. http://www.ladybegood.com/

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

Nuclear Tourist posted:

I think the server is soiling its underwear because of heavy traffic at the moment, hopefully it should work again soon (works for me at the moment, at least).

Interesting read, thanks for posting this!

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
My maternal grandfather was an engineer in WWII in the Pacific. There are supposed to be photo-albums floating around the family.

My father in law was with the British/Polish Army at Monte Cassino, and my father was in the National Guard in the 60's and 70's. His claim to fame was beating hippies in the Democratic Riots in Chicago.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones
Is there a source online of photos taken from Soviet Subs of major US / NATO ports or landmarks? i.e., Statue of Liberty, Golden Gate Bridge, etc?

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
I thought the Israeli national carrier had a warning system installed on their jets.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
Weren't they deployed during Desert Shield as a stopgap until the M1's arrived in numbers?

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

:circlefap:

That is friggin awesome

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

Pimpmust posted:

Well there was that one(several?) time US subs physically cut into some undersea cables to spy on Soviet communications. At least I remember reading that outside a Tom Clancy book, so it probably happened.

Blind Man's Bluff is the name of the book.

We did it. Twice.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
This never gets old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ7niLYSVFo

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
AHC has a bunch of photos of in-air refueling

http://www.ahctv.com/weapons-technology/aerial-refueling-photos.htm

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

holocaust bloopers posted:

What was that? I don't recall.

When he kidnaps the drug dealer.

e- Teeth of the Tiger, aka Jack Jr. is really bad.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

mlmp08 posted:

Thanks, jerks, now I have to use incognito just to browse the forums:



http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201145440

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

LostCosmonaut posted:

Quick question: is this web page legit?
http://raigap.livejournal.com/313657.html



I want to believe in baby Swedish Warthog.

I want to believe

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
Lets go for a T-72, at $50k

http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/products/tanks-2/t-72-42#currency=USD

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

iyaayas01 posted:

Depends. On their western border, stretching into the Warsaw Pact nations, yes. Same goes for the Baltics, and same goes for their southern borders with Turkey and Iran (for the most part). However, when you get further east as well as into the Arctic it gets a lot sparser...the "back door" into Siberia was left open for a very long time, and I don't think it ever really got closed. That's one of the reasons why they developed long range interceptors with powerful radars...the other would be to help provide a mobile capability in the vast interior of the country that was basically a radar dead zone.

Of course their air defense systems were a little less capable against Cessna-sized targets.

\/ We commissioned a study (I should probably put "study" in scare quotes but it was really a thing that Air Staff did) about putting nukes on an A-10. Someone less lazy than me can provide a link to it, one of the "defense" bloggers did a piece on it a month or two ago \/

This one?

https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-a-10-might-have-become-a-nuclear-strike-plane-8f065b09afe0

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
The India - France deal is dead in the water

http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/india-makes-it-official-the-mother-of-all-defense-deals-is-dead/

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

Smiling Jack posted:

Brown Moses had a fairly reliable report that he was being tortured / starved to death in a Syrian prison.

:smithcloud:

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

Godholio posted:

I assume at least one has crashed.

:perfect:

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

MrChips posted:

For probably the millionth time in this thread, if you haven't read Command and Control, do it right now. It's (partly) about this very incident.

So when looking this up for my kindle, I came across this one: http://www.amazon.com/Dead-Hand-Unt...words=dead+hand

Any reviews on it?

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
That is such a great movie.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

Slo-Tek posted:

Hadn't seen this cool paint before





More "Ferris" splinter scheme.


Article I stole the pictures from:
http://aviationarchives.blogspot.com/2015/04/f-4-f-14-and-f-15-ferris-schemes.html

This is really cool. Thanks!

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

Doctor Grape Ape posted:

my least favorite part is where he didn't show us pictures of the pancaked humvees :colbert:

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Foxtrot Alpha's got two pictures of the aftermath.

Cockblock

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/watch-these-army-humvees-violently-crash-into-the-groun-1772040340

Syrian Lannister fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Apr 21, 2016

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones
Is it possible to fit and successfully launch whatever anti-ship missile we have in inventory from an A-10?

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Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

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Sugartime Jones

BIG HEADLINE posted:

If you're referring to the Coast Guard A-10 idea, the average ship it'd be tasked with destroying (drug boats) would be wrecked by a single Hellfire or Griffin hit (to say nothing of a few hits from the 30mm). I'm sure we've still got some Penguins sitting around gathering dust somewhere if more bang was required.

More along the lines of in case China decides to get froggy, well froggier.

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