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Pimpmust posted:


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":getin:"

Right page: Swedish testpilot for SAAB, dressed in an American G-suit, with it's help the so called g-forces life-threatening effect on for example human blood pressure is evened out. The G-suit is inflated automatically, and the air in the suit prevents the blood from gathering in the legs. From that, the heart is aided in pumping blood to the brain, and blackouts are prevented in steep dives.

Actually, this is a high altitude partial pressure suit. I'm not 100% sure, but I think it works by squeezing your body to prevent you from expanding in the near-vacuum of high altitude flight.

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NosmoKing posted:

Same effect gives you self forging fragments that shoot holes through the tops of tanks.

Rather than a deep cavity with a thin liner, it uses a shallow cup shaped cavity and a rather thick liner.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosively_formed_penetrator

Nice fun stuff for skeet warheads and similar top attack weapons.

I hate EFPs.

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Cyrano4747 posted:

Oh jesus gently caress. If that's a Paradox release you guys seriously just need to put it down for at least a year. I've been burned by them more times than I care to mention, and they have a REAL flair for putting out games that are unplayably unstable on even top-end systems.

I hate to break it to you, man, but all your historical work has skewed your perspective. Punch-cards and magnetic tape doesn't qualify as top-end anymore.

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ArchangeI posted:

Leaving aside also the minor fact that Japan has people who at some point in their life operated propeller driven planes off of straightdeck carriers. They do not have experience in running a supercarrier and its airgroup.

Y'know, I'm pretty sure America also has people who, at some point in their life, also operated prop-driven planes off of straightdeck carriers. Yet we also have supercarriers and their airgroups.

Was there more you want to add, or...?

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Yes, I get that. My point was maybe he should have said that in his post.

I think a better reason, though, would be "the Japanese aren't allowed to have aircraft carriers."

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Throatwarbler posted:

When were the Japanese ever gone?

1945 to 1954.

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Neil Armstrong is dead.

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iyaayas01 posted:

Everything checks as far as I'm concerned...it's been mentioned before several times in the thread but if you want some more reading in that vein Ed Rasimus's When Thunder Rolled and Palace Cobra are pretty much required reading. The first is about his tour flying Thuds during Rolling Thunder and the second is about his tour flying Phantoms during Linebacker.

Ed's a great guy and I mourn the loss of his mustache. Stupid chemotherapy.

He was diagnosed with stomach cancer a couple months ago, but he had two tours over Vietnam and they failed to kill him, so I don't think this will bring him down either.

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sausage paddy posted:

That P-51 picture would have at least made sense with an F-22. smh

That P-51 picture would have at least made sense if it had a P-51 in it.

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Psion posted:

You think it's implausible yet cite undersea cable tapping in Soviet waters which is just as balls out insane?

He also cited building a giant gently caress-off claw game rig to reach miles beneath the ocean's surface to pick up an entire Soviet missile submarine off the bottom as being more plausible.

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Cyrano4747 posted:

To put things into perspective:

I was never the giant, spergiest sim geek but I had a lot of fun with the mid-tier "sorta serious' ones. You know, the point where you felt a real sense of acomplishment when you babied a shot to poo poo airplane into making it back to a friendly base, but where the physics wasn't so spergtastic that just taking off required a pilot's license, a degree in physics, and 8 plug-in controls.

It seems like everything these days is geared to the groups that either want to manually set fuel mixture and propeller pitch before they take off, or the people who want an arcade game where they have an outside-the-cockpit view and just zoom around watching explosions.

I'll be honest, all of this is probably wasted naval gazing. I do the same thing once every couple years. Get all nostalgic about how awesome it was playing RB3D as a kid, look into what it would cost to get back into it all, and realize that the entry cost for equipment that doesn't blow is a just tad more than what I want to pay and the whole field looks like it's split between super-hardcore sim spergs and utterly cartoonish action games.

Maybe it's a misapprehension, and I'm sure people that are still into sims are having fun, so I won't waste time trying to make up excuses for this that and the other thing.

Yeah, Forums Terrorist has it right. Third Wire makes Strike Fighters 2, which is pretty much what you're describing. It's not too arcadey, and it's not too realistic either. Strike Fighters 2 is their basic "fly F-100s and F-4s over a fictional desert in the 50s and 60s" sim, they've got some that takes things into the late 70s with F-15s and A-10s, one with F-14s, and also a WWI sim called First Eagles.

They're by the guy who did European Air War, which may have been the last of the middle level combat flight sims.

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Sjurygg posted:

This made me remember the magic of the BMD airdropped armoured fighting vehicle. This was the bogeyman of the Cold War-era Norwegian Army planners, and even though I've thought about it before, I'd never imagined just how insane that operation would actually look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwizQfIiBuQ

See those stains on their camo parkas? Some of those stains are brown.

e: do you think packers look at that video when they jerk it?

My old platoon leader told a story about the time he met some Russian BMD crewmembers - two enlisted soldiers and an officer.

According to him, the officer got a three point safety harness and padding. "What about them?" he asked the officer. The officer barked an order in Russian, the two enlisted schlubs mimed a bracing position with their arms. In response to my PL's incredulous look, they both removed their hats to reveal some pretty gnarly scars from where their heads caught some equipment.

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iyaayas01 posted:

Airman is a dumb moto magazine, but they do some really cool stuff visually, both with stills and video.

e: Ed Rasimus passed away yesterday...he was the author of a couple of excellent books that have been mentioned earlier in the thread: When Thunder Rolled, about his first tour flying Thuds during Rolling Thunder, and Palace Cobra, about his second tour flying Phantoms during Linebacker. He also co-authored Robin Olds's memoirs, and from all accounts was an all-around good dude.

He was a great dude. He and I would chat occasionally on Facebook.

I never met the man, but he always made me feel like we were friends.

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Cyrano4747 posted:

You know it will be the USS Bill Clinton or the USS George Bush or whatever bullshit according to which party is in office.

They already announced that CVN-80 is going to be USS Enterprise. They announced it at CVN-65 Enterprise's inactivation ceremony.

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Smiling Jack posted:

I love stupid poo poo like that. ICBM from a C-5? Sure! C-130 on a carrier? Go for it! gently caress it, lets strap a poo poo ton of rockets to a C-130 and take off from a soccer stadium!

Land in and then take off from a soccer stadium.

:science:

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Psion posted:

I think it's pretty awesome their demo area was "just off Long Island"

not where I would have anticipated it being, but well, there you have it. Today I learned there used to be a Naval Weapons plant on Long Island.

Yeah, Grumman was headquartered out of Long Island. They built spaceships there too.

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Akion posted:

My teenage self would like a word with you, sir! :colbert:



Bonus F-117 porn.



Oh man, I played the gently caress out of that game. A few unforgivable issues, though. Like how an F-4 only went barely faster than a MiG-17.

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iyaayas01 posted:

Come on, do some of that pilot poo poo!

Wait, I think that may have been USNF '97. Which is really my point, you should be playing Fighter's Anthology. USNF '97, ATF Gold, and ATF NATO Fighters all in one package.


Few joys in life are as pure as porpoising your aircraft so your backseater throws up.

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Not to derail from Nixonchat, but for anybody who's interested, Ed Rasimus will be buried at Arlington on May 1. PM me for details if you're interested.

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mlmp08 posted:

Sure, which makes it ludicrous that they sent up rocket pod planes to shoot down a single F6F. You know what else shot down F6Fs? Zeros.

That's what they had as far as interceptors go. Sure, maybe some Guard units were still flying Mustangs and poo poo, but why would you call up the Guard when you have guys in our brand new whiz-bang interceptors whose job is to go up and shoot poo poo down?

Never mind that our brand new whiz-bang interceptors aren't really for shooting down individual fighters.

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davecrazy posted:

What were the National Guard air units flying in the 50's and into the 60s? Did they get hand-me-downs or were they kept current?

Hand-me-downs. I don't think the Guard units got current until the 90s.

The last F-105 flight was in 1984, for example. I remember reading a story about F-106 pilots doing some training flights against F-16s that same year, too.

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Cyrano4747 posted:

Probably all of them.

Then again I also subscribe to the view that all of human civilization, in both its greatest triumphs and lowest nadirs, can be explained by man's desire to ... stick his dick in someone.

The story of the Apollo Program.

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Oh, please. Nukes aren't anything to worry about. Just ask this guy.

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Snowdens Secret posted:

Well, it's more like a 10,000 rem dose gets knocked down to more like 300, which is more than enough to keep the crew from enjoying their MREs for a good while.

Oh, trust me, even without the radiation they wouldn't be enjoying their MREs.

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Cyrano4747 posted:

Plus, the Japanese were actually pretty drat good at damage control. They had a lot of really terribly crippled ships make it home and get repaired just to get shot up again. Also, they got really situationally hosed in a couple famous battles. Caught with a bunch of airplanes on the deck getting rearmed and fueled when American dive bombers show up overhead? You're pretty hosed.

Actually, the Japanese only had dedicated damage control crews that tended to get killed and there actually weren't aircraft on the decks of the carriers when the Americans showed up.

After I stopped being a professional history undergrad for about a year, I bought a book to read for fun. Ended up being practically a friggin' text book, but it was interesting as hell. Shattered Sword really goes deep into the Battle of Midway and I learned that most of what I knew about that battle was wrong. Turns out the US perspective of the Japanese side of the battle was largely based on the memoirs of Fuchida Mitsuo, which have been discredited in Japan for decades.

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benito posted:

Why drop cruise missiles when you can turn a 747 into a flying aircraft carrier full of microfighters? Behold the 747 AAC:




Reminds me of Battlestar Galactica.

Apparently they forgot they'd already tried this in the 50s and discovered that it was difficult under the best of circumstances.

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edit: this is not something to argue about. I'm just in a pissy mood, sorry.

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Cyrano4747 posted:

The ONLY way I can think of to even begin to make an ICBM make sense for aid delivery is to cook up some scenario straight out of a bad TV movie. Maybe there's an outbreak of super AIDSbola somewhere with zero infrastructure and it's utterly necessary to get the antidote or vaccine to the hot zone in the next 5 hours or the world - the entire goddamned world - is mega-hosed. If the payload was 500 pounds of specialized medical crap and all the rest was padding and parachutes then maybe.

Of course in that exact same scenario the far, far more economical and safe option would just be to speed dial the countries that matter for a courtesy "yo, launching a nuke, don't get all riled up, I'll call back and explain in twenty" and then drop a few megatons on the secret deep rainforest Congolese mutant monkey breeding facility. You know, with the same missile.

"There's only one doctor in the world who can deal with this outbreak, and we need him in the quarantine zone within forty-five minutes."

<Dr. Dirk Hardpec puts on his sunglasses>

"Let's light this candle."

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Everybody knows whitewalls are the way to go. It's how Bud Anderson used to roll.

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Godholio posted:

Not Cold War, but certainly airpower related.

Today at 6est three of the last four Doolittle Raiders will open their bottle of brandy and toast their comrades.

For those unfamiliar, the Doolittle Raid was America's first real middle finger to Japan after Pearl Harbor. On April 18, 1942, just four months after the Pearl Harbor attack, 80 piled into 16 B-25 Mitchells and took of from a goddamned aircraft carrier, the Hornet. The distance to fly was obscene: the planes were supposed to launch around 500 nm from Japan, but due to a patrol boat spotting the flotilla the decision was made to launch early...10 hours and over 150 miles early. This was to be a one-way trip with a slim chance of actually landing at a friendly airfield, and as luck would have it, none of the bombers made it that far. Most made it past the Chinese coast, where crews were forced to crash-land or bail out from altitude; three ditched at sea and one made it into Soviet territory, where the crew was interned. One man died bailing out, and two 5-man crews were missing...two men had drowned, and the rest were captured and executed by the Japanese, along with an estimated 250,000 Chinese citizens during the Japanese search for the crews.

The strike was a rousing success. Not because it turned the tide of the war, or because it was a heavy hit against the Imperial Japanese military or industry, but because the message, "gently caress YOU!" was soundly delivered. The Japanese people had been hearing for months that they were virtually impervious to attack; Japan controlled half the Pacific, a good portion of China, and the USSR was honoring a non-aggression pact. A strike on the home islands was completely unthinkable. Most of the bombs fell on Tokyo, but in total five cities were struck...it was a shock to say the least. On the eastern side of the Pacific, the raid bolstered American morale and was viewed with such success that despite Doolittle's expectation of a court-martial (for a stunning failure) he found himself awarded the Medal of Honor and promoted from Lieutenant Colonel to Brigadier General, completely skipping the rank of Colonel.

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They're doing it now. NOW.

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Terrible Robot posted:

I only ever saw the scene where some pilot-mans takes a girl for a joyride in a P-51 (ignoring the fact it only has room for one person, barely) and they even managed to make that part suck poo poo.

It was a P-40 :spergin:

Chuck Yeager wrote in his autobiography about the time he semi-clandestinely picked up a non-pilot dude from France and flew him back to England in his P-51. Yeager, dude, and a case of champagne all crammed into the cockpit.

I remember seeing the movie in theaters and it was really all I could do to keep from saying "oh, come ON" when I heard the girls sitting behind my audibly gasp "he's alive!" when Ben Affleck's character comes back after being shot down with the RAF.

For gently caress's sake, the dude is on the loving poster, the movie is called Pearl Harbor and we haven't even gotten there yet. Of loving course he's not dead.

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Smiling Jack posted:

Yeah but it doesn't randomly explode when you try to fire the main gun.

I'm sure it might if you had used ammunition that had been improperly stored for four decades.

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Herv posted:

My heart sank as I saw the payload ejected, then the stall. Looks like it lost an engine. Thanks for posting it.

The one I had in mind was definitely a delta wing F/A type fuse. It was thrown onto a 45 degree pitch for the aileron control (sorry the best way I can explain it) on full burn and oh man it was loud and messy to watch.

If I had to guess, the fighter got way more power from the catapult than it needed and couldn't recover. My speculation of course.

Quite the opposite, actually. The catapult can't deliver way more power than a launching aircraft needs. Usually the amount of power it delivers is described as "barely enough." IIRC, during this time, the carrier is sailing into the wind as fast as it possibly can on top of trying to push an aircraft off its bow as fast as it possibly can.

When carrier takeoffs go bad, it's usually either because the aircraft lost power during launch or the catapult failed to deliver enough oomph.

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Fearless posted:

Japan's major political parties prior to WW2 were also literally the Imperial Army and the Imperial Navy, for what it's worth. Military expenditure had so completely consumed the Japanese government that the rival services formed political parties to better ensure that they got the resources they needed.

That poo poo got so serious that the Army tried to have Admiral Yamamoto assassinated because of his opposition to war while he was Deputy Navy Minister.

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Godholio posted:

If so, it'll be decades before anyone fesses up (ie, info becomes declassified). I wouldn't at all be surprised if the target was intentional, but I'd be shocked and awed if that was the reason...it'd be a hell of a thing if we had that kind of information and actually acted on it fast enough to destroy it before it was sent up the Chinese chain of command.

I remember that the popular theory at the time was that it was retaliation for China stealing some nuclear secrets from us. The two events were fairly close to each other.

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grover posted:

I've been wondering for a while... why did the Nazis build giant flak towers like this? Why not just put the guns on the ground like everyone else does? Seems like they would be way cheaper to build, and damage to the structure (earthen berms) could be more easily repaired.

Well, I'm just guessing here, but since they were built in cities, it was so you could aim guns at attacking aircraft without hitting the buildings you're trying to defend. Guns on the ground might not work so well for that.

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Mortabis posted:

I've been wondering something, if any of the air force goons in here knows the answer, why is it that pilots wear helmets today but didn't in World War II or Korea?

Hard helmets for pilots came about with the development of ejection seats. Pilots in Korea absolutely did have them. Helmets in WWII were basically just communications carriers with a place to strap an oxygen mask.

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Vahakyla posted:

The leather helmet and glasses worn with them protected you from oil spills and headstrikes. Some of them had hardened leather strips with cushioning.

Oil spills weren't as big of an issue once they moved away from open cockpits. As far as headstrikes go, most helmets didn't really offer that either. Chuck Yeager mentions in his autobiography that he modified a tanker's helmet to fit over his leather flight helmet to protect his head from bumps and knocks.


This is a Navy helmet from WWII. Just a cloth communications carrier.


This is an Air Force helmet from WWII. Place for earphones and oxygen mask.

About the only leather flight helmets I've seen that had anything that looked like reinforcement for head protection are more modern MiG flight helmets.



That ain't doin' much for you as far as side-to-side goes.

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priznat posted:

How can we finangle it so that Russia runs up against ISIS? That'd be some :munch: poo poo right there.

Until it went horribly wrong for everyone else, which it most assuredly would.

Russia occupying Iraq, ISIS occupying Moscow.

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bewbies posted:

The army was able to take guys from transportation and admin MOSs who'd gotten a couple of weeks of field time in basic training and qualified on an aging rifle once or twice a year, put them through a 3 or 4 week long predeployment trainup, and push out guys who were not all that less competent than career infantrymen.

HahahahahAHHA no.

I was in a National Guard unit that did about three months predeployment training in a unit that was a collection of, basically, whoever was sitting around. The core of it was my detachment (Cav scouts, infantry snipers, and mortars) with bits of our Headquarters company (a lot of infantry guys, for whatever reason) and whoever else they could scrounge in order to paste together a new company to loan to another battalion. We had a lot of cooks, commo guys, and a bunch of other non-combat MOSes.

These were some of the stupidest motherfuckers I'd ever had the misfortune to serve with. One sergeant was thrown out of a radio class because he was literally too stupid to use a radio. Could not figure out how to use the handset to save his life. A loving telephone-shaped object with a loving cord coming out of the bottom and he'd hold it upside down every loving time. They gave a 249 to a cook who hadn't seen one since basic training and gave him no instruction on it. Literally had no idea how to load it, take it apart, anything. He came to me for help, thank God.

These guys who never, ever checked headspace and timing on their M2s because they had heard somewhere "three clicks is enough" or some bullshit. I had to hop into one of their vehicles during training for a live fire event and I, for whatever reason, decided to check the headspace before we started to roll. NO GO went all the way in.

It was a loving shitshow and I remain amazed everybody came home in one piece.

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