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averox
Feb 28, 2005



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exquisite tea posted:

I'm planning to put together a new desktop setup in June as a little reward for myself. While I know more than the average dope about computers, I've never assembled a PC myself and often get confused reading the performance specs of graphics cards. That being said, should I start thinking about assembling my set now, or is there some highly anticipated card being released within the next six months that will become the de facto standard?

Well, both nVidia and ATi just popped out their refreshed line-up. We probably won't see video cards again until six months.

SSDs are probably the single most greatest upgrade you can have. No beating around the bush here. SSDs really are that good. Anecdotal but a guy I knew didn't see a point in buying SSDs even though me and another person told him it's one of the best upgrades you can get. Nope he says, he has used a computer with an SSD at work and his WD Raptors in RAID0 are just as good if not better. Fast forward a few months and his attitude is a complete 180 on SSDs after he bought one.

As far as games go though, on most games you'll see vastly reduced load times. I wouldn't recommend stocking up on SSDs though so you can keep twenty games installed at once. You would probably keep two or three games you frequently play on an SSD and the rest on a mechanical disk. I also just noticed that you mentioned putting them in RAID0. You'll have to understand ahead of time that garbage collection and TRIM functions do not work for SSDs in RAID. This should be a non-issue unless you fill your SSD up with garbage to the brim.I honestly do not see the benefit of putting two SSDs in RAID compared to the loss in diskspace.

And to back up the whole i5 vs i7 stuff, here's an Anandtech bench comparing the i5 750 vs the i7 950. Keep in mind that the i5 750 is already $100 cheaper than the 950. Here's Anandtech again on the PCIe x16/x16 vs x8/x8 lanes. These are benchmarks being run at 2560x1600 with GTX 275s in SLI and 4870X2s in Crossfire. Does it make a difference? Yes but it's practically intangible like the whole i5 vs i7 performance debate.

So I would recommend spending a few less bucks on the CPU and motherboard so you can put it towards a video card or SSD.

averox fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Dec 19, 2010

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averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Starhawk64 posted:

Just how much wattage do you need for a gaming PC and what brand makes the best PSUs? I kept hearing that besides the motherboard, the PSU is the part you should not skimp on.

Also, are you guys factoring the price of the operating system when you recommend builds because even the cheapest version of Windows 7 is about $200, or do I assume that :filez: are involved?

Honestly motherboards these days are pretty decent across the board. Some offer more features, better build quality, or are better overclockers. I'm using an ASRock P55 Extreme (:lol:) board with an i5 750 overclocked to 3.7ghz right now and it has been drat solid so far. Now don't get me wrong and you buy some absolute poo poo $40 board. Even my budget "extreme" board had cost $100.

Power supplies? I was just checking and these power supply calculators are horrible. I've got an i5 750 @ 3.7ghz, 4GB ram, two 5400rpm HDDs, three SSDs, a GTX 470 and 8800GTS installed. Running on a Seasonic X650 and its been solid for me. Newegg's and Corsair's calculators are trying to tell me a need a kilowatt PSU.

As for Win7, go here and compare http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare
Do you really need Pro? Remember that this isn't like how XP Pro and XP Home was. Also, changing your video card should not set Windows Activation Technology off. If it does and you do own a legit copy, it isn't an issue. Just a quick click and your OS should be a-ok. This should only be set off when you do something like swap your motherboard.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Anyone know what kind of licenses MS Technet keys are? I know that I upgradeded from an Asus P5B-Deluxe to this ASRock P55 Extreme and was able to reauthenticate or reactivate without issue. Well, Zune threw up its arms because the Zune Pass DRM was generated for my old set of hardware.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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KakerMix posted:

Graphics cards will require a PCI-X plug or 2.


Whoa hold on buddy, PCI-X is not PCIe :colbert:

As for reauthenticating Windows 7, I've had the same experience as 404notfound. I guess TechNet copies are not OEM.



I dunno man, the fake surround sound on my Logitech G35s work decently enough v:shobon:v
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averox fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Dec 20, 2010

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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It's tough without an actual price tag. "price of a regular notebook" doesn't cut it because well, what counts as a regular notebook? Specs are nice but again it depends on how much you actually paid for it.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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I think King's Bounty is pretty much the only one that takes the HoMM formula and makes it all exploring. Granted I can't think of another game that copies HoMM.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Spatial posted:

It ensures the mouse always has some cable slack, which makes it easier to move around.

Of course, you don't need a specialised tripod to accomplish that.

Yeah. You seriously do not need what is probably a $50 piece of poo poo so that your mouse has slack.

Also I have to agree with RagnarokAngel on Dead Rising 2. It's a milestone better than part 1 which is an older and more obtuse console exclusive.

As for the subject of zombie games I love the ones that aren't poo poo. Fort Zombie sounds like a good idea but the execution is horrible to the point where Dominic White has not extremely positive things to say about it I think.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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RagnarokAngel posted:

I actually was talking about 1. 2 is good but I liked 1 more. 2 did some dumb things in addition to the nice things, like needing to give your daughter Zombrex in a very narrow time window. DR1 never had anything that specific in terms of time.

Oh god.

I thought DR2 was a lot more fun with being able to strafe with guns and survivors who weren't completely useless. The Zombrex run is a bit annoying but you only do it three times. It also helps to be able to act like completely dumbasses in co-op.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Jet-Poop posted:

What is their reasoning for rejecting double blind tests again? It's like these guys are in an actual cult.

Heh, you know drat well what the reason is for not doing a double blind. I mean seriously James Randi has a cool $1 million if someone can perceive better sound through the Pear Anjou cables in a double blind.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Mu Zeta posted:

I read something about Shadowrun having some crazy auto aiming going on for consoles that made it unfair. But yeah nobody played it anyway so who cares.

I believe what they did was give consoles auto aim and PC players got in-game mouse sensitivity settings removed. You had to bump it up in your mouse/windows settings.

Rahul Sood formerly of VoodooPC fame and formerly of HP's Gaming Exec fame mentioned that he knew some cross-platform play going on between pro console gamers and average joe PC gamers. http://www.rahulsood.com/2010/07/console-gamers-get-killed-against-pc.html

Despite all this talk about PCs becoming the lead development platform it's still like someone mentioned to me. You aren't going to get that full PC game experience because it'll still be a game that's designed with consoles in mind.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Gotta give you my thanks too. Besides what's in the media and what's on Steam, I really don't keep a radar on new PC releases. Not that I've bought anything yet but it has brought things to my attention.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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bewilderment posted:

I will never again buy a mouse that does not have the following features:
- Tilt wheel
- Freewheeling scroll wheel
- Forward/back buttons

I'm glad my Logitech G9x does all of these, but unfortunately it's a claw grip and I'm more of a palm grip, I think. It doesn't stop me but I know it's slightly less comfortable than it could be.

Hey don't forget, the G9 and G9x has a button at the bottom to switch between free scrolling and click scrolling.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Amrosorma posted:

How bad can Shadow Harvest be, goons?

How bad can it really be? :ohdear:

It's the next SA Goons bad game meme.

MY HAULZ~

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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It's the blood sacrifice. You must pay the PC gods.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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I've got a PC, 360, PS3, and Wii. I don't even play my consoles yet for some retarded reason I upgraded to the newer small 360 :signings:

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Dudebro posted:

I hope MM didn't put too much stock into that poll. LBP would own so loving hard on PC. It would be the Minecraft of platformers. Doesn't matter too much since Sony would never let it happen, but it's just sad to see that.

Clearly you are wrong here. If LBP were to come to PCs it'd force PS3 players to use keyboards to play.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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The goold on Athlon XP socket. I actually chipped the silicon and scratched my board when trying to install the loving heatsink. She worked like a beauty through it all anyways and overclocked at that!

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Cheezymadman posted:

Yeah, gently caress those guys for trying to prevent theft.

Uh, no. I mean yeah they don't have a dummy box which is silly, since don't think people are going to care that much that it isn't the original box on the shelf, but you're also getting an opened game sold to you at the new price.
If theft is that much of a concern, please put everything behind glass cases like Walmart. I'd rather ask someone for help than get an opened copy.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Well the labor was probably the insertion and removal of the covers from dummy boxes. Saves them money from having to get prints done too. I assume they figured it's just easier to cut a box open, take the contents out, and dump it on the shelf. Hey it's still sold as new and the employees can bring it home to trial it! Two birds, one stone.

Yeah also gently caress them for trying to prevent thef-
http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3359752&pagenumber=8&perpage=40#post383751314
http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197992669643/games?tab=all

:stare:

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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I'm usually too lazy to do so myself but I've got a Firefox Greasemonkey script that quick links someone's rap sheet in their posts. Saw big, red, glaring text and decided to take a peek. I forgot I even had this script because I switched back to Firefox from Chrome.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Yep. All i7s have HT but not all i5s have it.

i5-750 (no HT) @ 3.6ghz, 470 SLI (test only runs on a single card anyway), 8GB of ram with the latest forceware:

Immediate: 95

ST scene: 60fps
MT scene: 113fps

ST chunk: 70fps
MT chunk: 68fps (huh?)

Upon running it again my ST chunk went up to 72fps and MT chunk went to 70fps.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Manac0r posted:

I ve just pulled the trigger on a Dell U3011 and plan to do some gaming at 2560 x 1600. Any goons playing at this resolution? What kind of graphics horse power are you using? I currently have 580 sli 1.5 VRAM, would adding a third card for TRI SLI be beneficial? I also hope to use my old monitor 28" @ 1920 x 1200 as a secondary display, any drawbacks to this?

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Perhaps quad-SLI is in your future.

I use a U3011 with 470 SLI. Runs things rather well although I can't say I can turn it up to the max on everything.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Cage posted:

It makes for joining friends games pretty easy.

Eating saves is not a feature of GFWL, it's probably your fault somehow, hth.

No, not really man. There's weird issues with GFWL's encryption and the whole online or offline profile stuff. I don't think that I've lost saves personally over an OS reinstall but then again I haven't launched Fallout 3 in quite a while. For all I know I may start it up and have lost 40+ hours of play time just because GFWL is like that.

If you want a system that's easy to join games, there's nothing easier than right-clicking a friend in Steam and hitting "join game".

So to repeat myself from past posts, my only issues with GFWL is how clunky it is and this is actually the fault of the developer but whoever made a certain patch for Red Faction: Guerrilla had it check the default install directory. Hence if you used Steam the patcher would throw its arms up saying it can't find RF:G. By far I find Steam the better platform.

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Feb 28, 2005



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A Fancy 400 lbs posted:

I think the $1k monitor people are the same kind of people who upgrade their CPU and GPU(s) every year. It's really nice if you have the money, but not essential.

It's just really nice if you have the money. In my case I've been looking to purchase a 30" for about five years until I did buy one. Also I only upgrade every few years!

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Amrosorma posted:

30" monitor + 3 year old GPU crew represent :negative:

Don't worry buddy, my last upgrade wasn't too long ago so I run 470 SLI :smugdog:

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Speaking of PSUs, my Seasonic X650 poo poo the bed. I had to put my old Seasonic M12-700 back in. Seasoniiiicccc :argh:

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Question Mark Mound posted:

Aha, speaking of that, is there a good way to try to get the colours to match on my two cheap-rear end monitors? I've been fiddling with settings but I just can't quite get it right. Plus my monitor at work definitely doesn't match out with the colours that get printed. Being a bit of a simpleton, I just want a bit of software that'll print out a test sheet, get me to click on a colour onscreen that matches what came out of the printer, then it'll do all the thinking for me. :downs:

Getting two different monitors to match is fairly tricky. Hell sometimes they switch panels mid-production and sell it as the same model. The best you're going to get towards calibrating screens to be similar is spending about $50~ on a used Spyder 2 (make sure it has the software and key!) which is a hardware device that works in conjunction with software to create color profiles for your display. Fairly pricey but they are targeted at professionals.

Otherwise your best bet is to get two of the same LCDs at the same time and try to match settings.

averox fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Sep 3, 2011

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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notZaar posted:

As somebody who has owned a 28" monitor, I would recommend not buying such a huge screen, unless you plan on putting it in a small living room.

Try sitting away from your monitor a bit :smuggo:

I have a 30" and love the frigging size. Big monitors for life.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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I don't think people are surprised that they're making a sequel. This just seems to be a discussion about what setting the time and place will be so :confused:

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Bobfromsales posted:

When did people give just give up and go "yep, shooters have xp grinds now"?

The worst part is that some games took this way too far and start you out with the bare minimum. You don't even get the cherry on top of the pile of poo poo. Hope you enjoy a crap pistol and weak generic rifle until you grind enough.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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I don't think they consider tri-SLI 580s and an i7 980x ($1,000 processor lol) "enthusiast".

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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I still like Logitech for my mice as they're the only mice I will use but I'd recommend getting a real keyboard. You are paying like $130 for a gimmicky gaming keyboard and the LCD really doesn't do much at least speaking of the old G15. Well you can watch youtube videos on it but seriously? Also it requires a separate power adapter.

At least Corsair is offering mechanical switches on their gaming keyboard. Although only the more expensive version has macro keys.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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I also believe every game with auto-detect has gotten things wrong for me. Either way too high or way to low.

I love when a game auto-detects and gives me max settings on 1280x720 resolution when I run 2560x1600.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Your chances of getting a legit Microoft wireless 360 receiver is insanely low this current day and age. Just get a knock-off from Amazon.

I even stopped using my wireless 360 receiver because certain games did not support the wireless 360 pad properly and well, I'm sitting right at my PC and the cord doesn't matter that much.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Right-click your desktop, click the nVidia control panel, and under 3D settings go into the manage 3D settings menu.

Hmm is there any benefit to using D3DOverrider over nVidia's own control panels to force settings?

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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There is always the option of a Bluetooth dongle, motioninjoy, and then better ds3 on top of that. I use that most of the time over my wireless 360 game pad.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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BetterDS3 goes on top of MotioninJoy which is pretty poo poo itself. I just set BDS3 to mirror 360 button inputs and just go from there. Works like a charm for me after having to deal with goddamn MotioninJoy. Never seen so many blue screens in one day trying to set up that thing.

averox
Feb 28, 2005



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THF13 posted:

I really don't know how Microsoft managed to become the go to PC gamepad.

Wanted to replace my wired 360 controller I've been using since the 360 launch today so I can play some Dark Souls this weekend.

Can I use the Xbox One controller on PC? No
Can I get the updated 360 model with the transforming D-Pad with a PC adapter? No
Can I get the transforming d-pad version in a color that doesn't hurt my eyes to look at? Only bundled with a useless play and charge kit.
Can I buy the wireless receiver on its own? Only online and it will be a knockoff.

So I guess I am stopping at best buy on the way home from work to get Microsoft's 3rd best controller. :shepspends:

The 360 controller is the de facto controller due in part to the Games for Windows alliance (not to be confused with GFWL the service) and Microsoft.

That doesn't stop the 360 controller from being straight garbage in my opinion. For my usage the dual shock 3 is perfect along with MotionInJoy plus BetterDS3 and it fits my hands proper. It also had a dpad that isn't straight dog poo poo.

You can get a legit wireless controller adapter from eBay by the way.

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Feb 28, 2005



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Ciaphas posted:

Since you mention them, are either the DS3 or DS4 particularly problematic to get running on PC? (Preferably wired, I get a LOT of weird interference bullshit at my home with bluetooth / other wireless devices.)

I'm running my DS3 with Bluetooth. I think wired is even easier since you don't need to finagle with a Bluetooth dongle and other poo poo. The DS3 and DS4 work with most games as it's just mimicking Xinput commands or something.

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averox
Feb 28, 2005



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Wired 360 gamepads will only ever be wired gamepads. Wireless 360 gamepads will only ever be wireless as well. The charging cable will only ever be a charging cable. This is granted you don't do some hardware modding of some sort or driver fuckery.

These guys get more into it and it seems Microsoft intentionally disabled the use of the controller on the PC with the plug and charge kit. http://www.assemblergames.com/forums/showthread.php?39007-Wireless-controller-to-Pc-through-Play-and-charge-kit

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