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Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

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I got my Implanon in May last year and haven't had any issues with it at all, then yesterday my boyfriend noticed I was bleeding a bit whilst we were having sex. I thought at first that he'd just caught me with a nail or something and the blood just looked worse because of being mixed with all that sexy fluid, but it's carried on into today and now it looks a lot more like period blood.

It's only fairly light (at the moment, as far as I can tell), but because I've not had any periods or spotting until now, I wonder if I should be concerned?

I figure I'll just wait it out and see if it gets worse/goes away- after all, one of the features of the implant can be sporadic bleeding, but I'd appreciate another opinion.

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Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
After a year, I'm having to have my Implanon out and go back on Microgynon. I'm gutted about it, the implant was perfect for months and then I just started bleeding all the time in March. Argh. I'm fine with taking pills but drat, the total lack of periods was so good while it lasted... Anyway, with that mini-rant over, how bad is having the implant taken out compared with it going in? Having it done was really loving unpleasant so I'm worried, and if it's gonna hurt more then I want to mentally prepare myself for that. I'm such a wuss!

Oh, and I've started the pill already (doc said it was fine) - anyone else had experience with this sort of thing regarding changes in mood etc? I know it's very dependent upon the person, but again I want to be aware of any potential side-effects. I'm two days in and there's been no change but I don't want it to suddenly hit me in a couple of days or so.

Bollock Monkey fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Jun 5, 2011

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Just came in from having my Implanon removed. They give you a local anaesthetic, make a little cut with a scalpel then use tiny forcep things to grab hold of it and pull it out. Mine was fairly well-stuck so he made the initial cut a little bigger but that was all.

The local was... Well, local anaesthetic, so it stung a bit, but the removal itself was just a bit weird and there was lots of tugging. I get icked out by that sort of thing fairly easily but I'm fine, and it wasn't half as bad as I thought it would be. I have a couple of steristrips over it and a bandage, been told to keep it on for a couple of days.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
I started back on Microgynon after my implant failed on me. Since a few weeks after I'd been back on it, my breasts have been sore. The slight jiggle that happens whenever you walk somewhere (even when wearing a bra) is a bit uncomfortable, and generally pressing on them is as well. It's not agonising or anything, but I wondered if anyone else had experienced this and how long it lasted for? I saw somewhere online that it usually goes after 3 months but I'd like some anecdotal evidence if anyone has any.

Totally forgot to mention it at my last doctor's appointment and I'm moving away so won't be able to get another one for a fair while, and 'cause it isn't a massive issue I thought I'd ask the internet before worrying, I have a family history of breast cancer so I get paranoid about these things.

Ah, hormones are wonderful.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Reformed Tomboy posted:

I'm just about fed up with my Implanon. I had my spotting-period from June, all the way through July, and into mid August. Stopped for two weeks (good timing too, since I was backpacking) and I just started again today. I just can't take the unpredictable periods anymore, so in the next few weeks I'm going to try to get it taken out and go back on pills. Not exactly looking forward to that again.. le sigh.

When this happened to me, the doctor prescribed me tranexamic acid for a fortnight to see if it stopped the bleeding. It didn't but maybe see if you can give it a go before having the implant out? I didn't like the idea of going back to pills either, so I'm gutted that this didn't work for me. However, it's always worth a try!

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Also not being sure what you mean about resetting... But Microgynon did lower my sex drive, however that was a good thing because mine is stupidly high anyway. You can deal with it (do more to get you in the mood, like texts during the day or something?) or try a different contraceptive I guess.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
About the condom thing, don't they have to conform to standards? They do here in the UK, at least- they all carry a logo to say they've been tested and certified.

I did some clicking around, and condoms seem to be governed by Medical Device Amendments to the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, but I'm finding it hard to find exactly what standards they have to conform to. I'd say, though, that they all surely have to have a certain point of efficacy, otherwise you'd be selling a faulty product which could have pretty loving big consequences.

This has a bunch of info about the tests they do on condoms, I'm pretty sure if they failed then they'd be unfit for sale.

Bollock Monkey fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Oct 3, 2011

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Has she actually researched the pill or has she just made up her mind? There's also stuff like the implant, which uses a lower dose of hormone.

I dunno man, obviously whatever method you're most comfortable with is what you should be using, but it seems like this girl either doesn't understand hormones or is placing too much weight on the occasional horror story.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Here's a link to an example of the types of variety packs you can get.

As far as the actual risk of pregnancy with all this goes, a condom and the pill is about as safe as it gets. If you're constantly worrying about knocking her up, I can see why you might be having trouble maintaining an erection. As long as she's taking her pill properly, there's no need to panic about it. Whilst using a condom as well is never an especially bad idea, the pill can be used reliably as a contraceptive by itself. Try to chill out!

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
I am a spaz and got my days wrong - I thought it was Saturday because I'd been out and about all day, but in fact it was Friday. I realised this immediately after taking a pill I thought I'd missed on top of the one for that evening. I know what to do if you're late with a pill, but what if it's too early? I just skip today's, right? It's Microgynon so I know I'm not going to get pregnant or anything, I just wanted reassurance that skipping today, rather than dosing again, would be the sensible thing to do.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Reformed Tomboy posted:

Yes, if you have taken one pill today, wait and take another tomorrow. You should not take two in one day unless you missed a pill.
Maybe I explained badly - I took two last night because I thought I'd missed one. But I hadn't. Taking today's on top of them seems like a silly idea?

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
The massive pregnancy anxiety is something that has never been an issue for me - I've been on the pill since I was 13, had a stint on the implant and am now back on the pill, and I've just never ever doubted it. It's really interesting, would anyone with these worries mind chatting with me over PM (don't want to derail) about what causes it? I'm fascinated by the lack of confidence in contraception and I'd really like to understand it more.

I realise I've made a bit of a weird request, it's just that increasingly I've come into contact with this mindset and it's something I'd never considered before - I really did just assume that if you were on birth control, you didn't worry about pregnancy. I'm not looking to shout at people, by the way, just to understand.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Interesting. See, I'm totally not ready for motherhood, even though it's definitely something I want to do in the next decade. I guess the idea of an abortion just doesn't terrify the gently caress out of me - obviously I would really rather not go through it, but it's better than having a kid I'm not ready for, and not having sex sucks. Plus I make sure to have partners who have the same ideas about what would happen if I were to become pregnant as I do. I guess I should feel lucky that I can have all of the sex and none of the worry!

In terms of the Mirena, BlueOccamy, I don't have one but my knowledge of physiology would lead me to say that there's no chance of you poking it back or shifting it by how you're sitting - humans are pretty well-padded, else all your internal organs would constantly be undergoing trauma.

Bollock Monkey fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Jun 8, 2012

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
It does. And you know what everyone says every time, so I shan't repeat it ;)

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

NaturalLow posted:

You have widespread abstinence-only sex ed (in the U.S. anyway) that pretty much drills it into your head that all birth control is unreliable and you WILL get instantly pregnant if you have sex...

Something to remember is that it's not just a matter of fear - abortions are not always widely available. For example, to my knowledge there's only ONE abortion clinic serving the entire state where I live and it's about 2-3 hours drive away from me. Then there are laws that have made actually getting abortions much more difficult in an attempt to browbeat women into changing their minds like mandatory waiting periods, mandatory/unnecessary ultrasounds, etc. And that's assuming you even realize you're pregnant in time to legally have an abortion (12 weeks or less in most places in the U.S. I believe).
America really, really sucks for this sort of thing, doesn't it? I really feel for you guys that have to put up with this much bullshit. Sex ed here in the UK isn't great, but it's much more likely to be a bit shoddy and uninformative than to be abstinence-only. The abortion limit here is 24 weeks, and I'd never really thought about how different it could be in other places. I can see that having such a tight limit, combined with the lack of easy access to support and resources is a recipe for disaster. If only it were easier to reverse the misconceptions given to us as children :(

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
I would assume the IUD would be sufficient, as it (from what I've read) is one of the most effective birth control methods for overweight women.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Katina posted:

Incidentally, I haven't started bleeding yet after finishing a packet. My last pill was less than 72 hours ago. It feels like I've been getting cramps, but no blood yet. I've done all the pill taking properly (within the same half an hour every day) and waited a week to have sex after starting the packet, which was started a week after my period began, and I highly doubt that I ovulated between the start of my period and the pill-taking, as I had over 30 day cycles typically.

Totally haven't been having nightmares about being pregnant. Nope. :ohdear:

Sorry if I've misunderstood, but this is your first period on the pill, right?

I don't start bleeding until day 4 of not taking it. I get cramps on day 3, then pretty much 24 hours later there'll be blood. Give it time, try not to worry!

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Ultimately, the failure rate for condoms is higher than that of hormonal birth control, especially if you know you're good at taking your pill properly. The pills are designed to stop pregnancy by themselves, so as long as you keep up your perfect use, you'll be fine. Have a look at this table, it might ease your worries - the combined pill has a 0.3% failure rate with perfect use, as opposed to 2% with male condoms. I realise you said you know the rates, but it really is a big enough disparity that if you were fine with using condoms before, you should be alright now you're on the pill.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
I... Am not sure this is the best place to ask this, but it's the best place I can think of as it's populated with ladies.

I'm on the pill, have been for ages and I have no issues with it. My periods are usually predictable: come on 4 days after last pill, pain and relatively heavy bleeding for 2 days then it very quickly tapers to spotting. However, this month I've been in pain for 3 days (though not any more severe) and just now, on day 4 of my period, I seem to be bleeding super heavily. As in I'm wearing a pad to sleep with and I just went to pee, then between taking my pants down and sitting on the toilet I bled on the floor. Should I be worried? This totally isn't the norm for me but periods are strange beasts and my doctor is an hour away so I wanted to see what people thought. I also appear to be having an emotional breakdown.

I was drinking last night, could that have anything to do with it?

Bollock Monkey fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Sep 8, 2012

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Yeah, it doesn't seem to have gotten any worse so I think I'm fine. I wasn't too worried, just needed some reassurance because it's so out of the ordinary for me. Thank you!

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Just switch your times. Don't take two pills in a day unless you've missed one. Specific timing is less important with combined pills than PoPs, and if you've already been on it a month then your protection shouldn't be compromised by a 12-hour difference.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Robo Kitty posted:

there is a transition period where you go as long as you can until you start spotting, and then go on your placebo week. Over time the spotting will come on later and later until you're going the full 4 months or whatever you want. So, if you skip two in a row you might find that a few weeks later you'll start to spot.

Oh wow, thanks for this. I've basically been doing this but I figured the spotting wouldn't get any more spaced out, so it's nice to know that it will!

Periods are the worst.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

silversiren posted:

I COULD go on pills but I am one of those people that I just cannot remember to take them at the same time at all. I have pills that I already take every day but I don't take them at the same time. I just take them at "bedtime", which can range from 7pm to 2am. If I had to remember to take a birth control pill every day, surely I would end up pregnant and that isn't anything I can handle right now.

Combined pills are waaay less time-sensitive than PoPs, a few hours won't make a difference with them and you could just take it with your other meds.

Edit: Ah, hadn't refreshed the page before posting and just saw the reply above me saying the same thing!

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

benjai posted:

Did a doctor seriously just suggest to me that if nothing turns up wrong at the specialist, I should maybe get pregnant since I'm getting married soon anyway?

When I go to her to talk about the issue of period pains for the copper IUD I have because, I dunno, I DON'T want to get pregnant right now?

I don't know, maybe I'm exaggerating, but I feel kind of violated. I can't believe the doctor honestly suggested to me, 23 years old, that maybe I should just get pregnant.

...What the gently caress? See a different doctor!

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

GiveUpNed posted:

We have used it. It's free in Canada. It does give her extra long periods though.
I'm probably making assumptions, but don't make this a habit. As Eggplant Wizard said, if you don't want a baby then you need to use some other form of contraception.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

jacksbrat posted:

Or is it just not worth worrying about?
Pretty much. The point of contraception is that is prevents conception, y'know? And the hormones from the implant sure as hell won't be going anywhere but into your system!

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Man, I wish Implanon had worked out for me so badly. I miss the convenience of not having to take anything.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
I've been trying to work out a way to articulate this for a little while now, so please bear with me if I sound stupid, e/n or nonsensical.

I've been on Microgynon (combined pill) since I was 13, meaning it's been the best part of a decade now. I had a break about 3 years ago to try the implant (Implanon), and it worked really well for probably 4 months before making me spot constantly for 9 months, at which point I had it removed and went back on Microgynon. The period in which I had the implant also involved massive life upheaval that involved going from a poo poo situation to a far better one. The reason I mention this is because I've been following this thread now for a fair while and a lot of people seem to report some pretty big differences in themselves when they try or go off different hormones. I'm really curious to see what effects things have on my emotional state because, basically, I'm a bit mental and would like to know whether that, as well as other stuff (insert science about hormones changing things like your sense of smell and how it affects partner choice here) is affected by hormones, especially because I've been on them for such a long time.

The problem is that I'm in a monogamous, stable, long-term relationship and I both dislike and distrust condoms. I don't like the crinkliness and I trust hormonal contraception so much more. This, as I'm sure you can appreciate, means I don't really feel like I want to switch on and off different forms of contraception. Add to that the fact that with any new hormone levels there's a risk of negative effects, and I'm not sure what to do. I would appreciate some thoughts and advice because I've spent far too much time overthinking this!

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Oops, sorry, I got a bit lost in the ramble there! I want to see the 'baseline' I guess, and maybe switch to something 'better' if there is that option. But I'm worried about negative effects that could go along with that in terms of my mood and general body (eternal period? No thanks!) stuff.

I think part of the wonderance as well is that during the implant times I was possibly happier, but there were so many other factors at play that I have no idea what effect, if any, the lower dose had on me in terms of emotions.

Switching non-/hormonal methods is a hassle with taking months to really settle into it and risks also random, variable effects like sore boobs, loss/increase of libido, random bleeding etc. On the other hand, I've been on this pill for a long time and there's also the increased risk of breast cancer to consider as it seems to run in my family.

Do I take the risk or stick with what I know to be, presumably, generally fine?

Does that make a bit more sense?

I feel like the more I talk the less I make sense. I don't mind doing this over PM if anyone fancies a bit of back-and-forth. I have very few contraception-wise friends to bash the issue out with, is all!

Bollock Monkey fucked around with this message at 22:14 on Feb 25, 2013

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Thanks for the responses, guys. It's nice to hear some other points of view than my own and they give me a bit more to mull over.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Xibanya posted:

Pardon me if this has been asked before but search wasn't helping. Is there anything to the rumor that hormonal birth control can make you stop desiring your partner if you began the relationship while not on birth control? Also it seems that many people gain weight on birth control. How does that happen? Do they feel hungrier and eat more or do the hormone changes cause the body to store more fat?
There have been some interesting studies around how other people smell to women who are or are not on birth control, as well as one that discovered that strippers made more money whilst ovulating, which is obviously affected by whether or not a contraceptive is being used... But none of this is really conclusive in terms of how hormones affect one's attraction to a partner. I wouldn't worry about that side of things.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Tshirt Ninja posted:

I think becoming a babyless cyborg via subdermal implant is just about the coolest thing ever,

I used to tell people this and they thought I was weird. Bring on the transhuman revolution!

This thread has, however, made me feel a tiny bit better about the possibility of having to come off the pill if I test positive for the BRCA mutation. IUDs kinda terrify me, but it's good to see so many people having relatively few problems.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Geolicious posted:

Off topic, but is that test affordable in the UK or did you bite the bullet for peace of mind/preparation?

For now we have healthcare that you don't usually have to pay for, so it's free. My GP referred me to a genetic counsellor when I last went to pick up my pill because he noticed my family history and said that I shouldn't be on the pill if I do have the mutation, so getting tested is the best thing for everyone's peace of mind, really.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Ah, a relevant time for me to ask this question!

For the ladies who still get periods with Mirena, how do you know when you're going to come on? I haven't had a 'proper' period for nearly ten years (hooray for the pill), so I vaguely remember tracking my cycle and what a pain it was to have to wear a pad for about 3 days before the date I calculated I was due. I assume it would be much the same as this? Or is it even less predictable than that? How common is totally random spotting? The idea of ruining heaps of underwear is incredibly unappealing...

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
With regards to progestogen-only methods, does anyone know if a Mirena IUD would have the same effects on bleeding as Implanon (in the same person)? After Implanon didn't work out for me because of a bleeding issue, my old GP advised me that any other progestogen-only things would have the same effect, but my current doctor keeps saying that it's likely to stop bleeding entirely (I assume based on the literature) so I'm not sure who to trust.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty

Geolicious posted:

I still want 11 pounds of salt and vinegar chips, though...
I empathise with this to an insane degree. Salty, slightly greasy carbs are good period eatin'.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Endocrinology isn't my strong point, so I was hoping someone with more knowledge could satisfy my curiosity.

Obviously the period you get whilst on the pill isn't a 'real' one. So how come it comes along with horrible mood swings and anger, as well as pain? I am having trouble understanding why withdrawing from the hormones in the pill creates the same effects as in a non-medicated person.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Ah hah! Cheers, both. I now feel less like I am placebo-ing myself into it. Hormonal systems are so interesting.

Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
Any tips for dealing with hormone-induced moodiness other than trying to remember it's just the hormones? I'm having to take norethisterone for some bleeding issues and it's making me feel like poo poo - I'm so lethargic and depressed-feeling - but I can't really come off it for another couple of weeks.

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Bollock Monkey
Jan 21, 2007

The Almighty
I've been on the combined pill for most of the last 13 years, and over the last 12 months or so the idea of trying a copper coil (I don't tolerate progesterone-only contraception - I had to have the implant taken out after 6 months of constant spotting) has been popping into my head. It's partly because I wonder what I'm like without the pill, and how my sex drive would be (which has tanked over the last few months) and also because in the next few years it'll be time to think about getting pregnant and I worry that after so long on the pill it'll take me forever to get back to baseline hormonally.

However, I also get horrid periods - especially over the last couple of years they've become really heavy and painful for the first two days - and I tend to skip periods so I don't have to deal with it all. This understandably puts me off the coil because I'm not sure I'd cope with 4+ months of awfulness until things settled down. I really like that, on the pill, I can skip periods until I feel ready and then I know that 4 days after my last pill I'll come on. I like the flexibility and predictable nature of the thing.

I know there's no right answer but I guess I wanted some opinions and input, has anyone else weighed these sorts of factors up?

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