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Typo posted:i think w/e legitimacy the soviets had in the intervention went away when they killed the government which invited them in You might have finally stumbled onto a first principle from which we can build a lasting philosophy...
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Sergg posted:You mean when the Soviet military was invited into Afghanistan, where it proceeded to assassinate President Hafizullah Amin, the man who invited them in, 3 months after they arrived, purged his followers, couped the government, and put their own supporters in power before proceeding to depopulate the countryside and deliberately targeting civilians, killing up to 2 million Afghans? Amin was a dipshit along with the rest of the Khalqis. The PDPA were better than most of the absolute trash that fought against them, however. Also, lol at retarded Pakistani and Saudi puppet warlords that failed to topple the bankrupt and outnumbered PDPA until 1992.
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Mar 27, 2017 05:33
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Human Grand Prix posted:Amin was a dipshit along with the rest of the Khalqis. The PDPA were better than most of the absolute trash that fought against them, however. Also, lol at retarded Pakistani and Saudi puppet warlords that failed to topple the bankrupt and outnumbered PDPA until 1992. As long as the Soviets kept up supplying the Afghan communists with airplanes and $$$ they probably could have held onto kabul for a long time, but I guess once the USSR fell the pipeline for both of those things went away
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fishmech posted:No war is legal in the first place, there's nothing that makes any given war more illegal. this is dumb as hell even for you, fishmech International Law has multiple provisions for armed conflict, and there can absolutely be armed conflict initiated within the confines of international law. Hell, there can be cases where armed conflict is legal and legitimate even without U.N. Security Council resolution, but with one you really don't have an argument here.
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Let's have a legal war, on the dance floor
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Tweezer Reprise posted:is this unprecedented? No, rebel groups put out mostly bullshit claims of shoot-downs every other week.
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Mar 27, 2017 13:19
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OhFunny posted:As interesting as this discussion of a war that ended before I was born is. Let's focus on wars' that are happening now. To think that a large amount of people thought that Trump wouldn't get nose deep in some foreign war.
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Rebels are composed soely of Sunni jihadists while the government has both Sunnis and Shias. For example http://al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2017/03/russia-syria-chechnya-ramzan-kadyrov-fighters.html US drones starting to hit Al Qaeda targets in Hama https://twitter.com/ehli_sam/status/846336672249851904 Rebels attacking "seperatist militia" YPG in Allepo to maintain integrity of Syria https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDFGv2LsJWU
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khwarezm posted:To think that a large amount of people thought that Trump wouldn't get nose deep in some foreign war. Even some major outlets that should have known better presented him as the anti-war candidate, despite promising to escalate the intensity of bombing and torture. Turns out being incoherent means people can read what they want to read into your statements.
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Throatwarbler posted:Rebels are composed soely of Sunni jihadists while the government has both Sunnis and Shias. Is there a breakdown by sect/religion of the rebel forces? Are there any non-Sunnis even fighting within the FSA brand anymore? What about the non-Muslims in Syria?
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Human Grand Prix posted:Is there a breakdown by sect/religion of the rebel forces? Are there any non-Sunnis even fighting within the FSA brand anymore? Never heard of any non Sunnis fighting for the rebels although there are Turkmen militias, who are really just Turkish proxies and not jihadists. According to the AAS guy on Reddit there are Kurds fighting for the various jihadist groups too. They are all still Sunnis of course.
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The vast majority of fighters on every side of the conflict are there for political reasons. Even the Hezbollah and Mahdi Army guys fighting for Assad are there to prop up the Syrian government. Most ISIS fighters are conscripts and Sunni tribesmen who hate the Iraqi and Syrian governments. Never get trapped into the common fallacy that your enemies are mindless fanatics. We were able to kick Al Qaeda out of Anbar simply by cutting checks with enough zeroes to the local sheikhs and their guys.
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Human Grand Prix posted:Amin was a dipshit along with the rest of the Khalqis. The PDPA were better than most of the absolute trash that fought against them, however. Also, lol at retarded Pakistani and Saudi puppet warlords that failed to topple the bankrupt and outnumbered PDPA until 1992. The final death knell to the Najibullah government was the defection of Dostum and his army of Uzbeks, who were good faithful Communists until they became good faithful Mujahedeen when the political situation changed.
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The Iron Rose posted:this is dumb as hell even for you, fishmech International war law is a fake concept used to provide retroactive cover to the victors in a conflict.
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The Iron Rose posted:this is dumb as hell even for you, fishmech
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mediadave posted:No, rebel groups put out mostly bullshit claims of shoot-downs every other week. More to the point there have already been several Russian helicopters shot down/crashed/destroyed on the ground during combat in contested areas.
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When you think about it, every law is a fake concept.
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Has something happened in France where all the pro Assad candidates are on the back foot now
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International law is a joke because it always defaults to whoever has the biggest guns gets to make the law. It is applied exclusively to the failed leaders of fourth-rate states after NATO bombs their garbage and replaces them with some more agreeable stooge. Citing international law is a lot like being a Sovereign Citizen. It's an interesting theory but it's not going to keep the cop from whipping your rear end. Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 17:18 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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It's not that Mattis is wrong here (except the part about doing everything possible to avoid civilian casualties is obviously dumb hyperbole), but this attitude that being better than the other guy makes anything we do acceptable is going to get a lot of people killed. https://twitter.com/wjhenn/status/846378467897888768
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Rent-A-Cop posted:International law is a joke because it always defaults to whoever has the biggest guns gets to make the law. It is applied exclusively to the failed leaders of fourth-rate states after NATO bombs their garbage and replaces them with some more agreeable stooge. Cat Mattress posted:When you think about it, every law is a fake concept. But seriously tho, who else but the one (or grouping of) with the biggest stick could possibly enforce international law. Organizations like the international criminal court are cool and good in theory, but in practice they have no real bite and I don't see how this could realistically change in our current political situation.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:International law is a joke because it always defaults to whoever has the biggest guns gets to make the law. It is applied exclusively to the failed leaders of fourth-rate states after NATO bombs their garbage and replaces them with some more agreeable stooge. You could make the same argument about all laws really
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Flavahbeast posted:You could make the same argument about all laws really You are right in that it is a matter of degree. No law is perfect or totally independent of the lawmakers.
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https://twitter.com/arisroussinos/status/846356884777046016 SDF/Coalition forces have entered Tabqa military airbase, which is a big deal not just because it's obviously a major step in fully capturing Tabqa dam and Al Thawrah, but once it's up and running again it will be the first major airfield under SDF control and will likely play a key role in coalition power projection in the near future
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Ehhh, that's regime property. I certainly don't give a poo poo, but there's a whole can of worms there and I'm not sure the US is going to want to open it.
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It would be a real stretch to apply that logic to Yemen on the Saudi side.
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Sinteres posted:It would be a real stretch to apply that logic to Yemen on the Saudi side. Long term if you narrowly commit genocide you have to commit to fewer wars.
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Volkerball posted:Ehhh, that's regime property. I certainly don't give a poo poo, but there's a whole can of worms there and I'm not sure the US is going to want to open it. Something to keep in mind: the regime may publicly not be happy with it, but behind closed doors I bet quite a few SAA generals are glad the base is out of ISIL's hands. Tabqa isn't just an airbase, it was the site of a horrific massacre about two and a half years ago: http://syriadirect.org/news/anatomy-of-a-massacre-part-i-the-march/ http://syriadirect.org/news/anatomy-of-a-massacre-part-i-the-march-continued/ http://syriadirect.org/news/anatomy-of-a-massacre-part-ii-the-killing/ (Gruesome stuff in these links, click with extreme caution) quote:On August 27, the Islamic State executed an estimated 160 Syrian army soldiers captured at Tabqa military airbase and surrounding desert settlements. Saladin Rising fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Mar 27, 2017 |
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Saladin Rising posted:Something to keep in mind: the regime may publicly not be happy with it, but behind closed doors I bet quite a few SAA generals are glad the base is out of ISIL's hands. Tabqa isn't just an airbase, it was the site of a horrific massacre about two and a half years ago: Oh wow, I do remember that happening, but didn't really know enough about the geography of the conflict yet to put together that it was the same place in the news now. The livemaps have been a real game changer for understanding where these places are.
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I know RT is a Russian propaganda machine but I saw a recent video from them about the protests in Yemen and they made a claim that seems to be right. The protests were pretty much completely ignored by US news. I could only find something from the Boston Globe. BBC, Al-Jazeera and a bunch of other places covered it but not any American news sites.
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fishmech posted:International war law is a fake concept used to provide retroactive cover to the victors in a conflict. Well you don't have to like it, but it still, y'know, exists. Also it's international humanitarian law that governs armed conflict. Armed conflict is the key here, not whatever nebulous definition of "war" people use.
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The Iron Rose posted:Well you don't have to like it, but it still, y'know, exists. Nah. Well no, pretty much nothing really governs armed conflict. Even in the wars you claim are "legal" only one side ever gets any sort of international OK for it.
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NikkolasKing posted:I know RT is a Russian propaganda machine but I saw a recent video from them about the protests in Yemen and they made a claim that seems to be right. The protests were pretty much completely ignored by US news. I could only find something from the Boston Globe. BBC, Al-Jazeera and a bunch of other places covered it but not any American news sites. https://www.washingtonpost.com/newssearch/?datefilter=All%20Since%202005&query=yemen&sort=Relevance&utm_term=.92bc714d01a2 RT is a propaganda outlet. The goal is to get you to stop trusting other information sources.
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