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It's not down, at least not for me. Leader.ir that is. And yeah, I don't see the Saudis letting Bahrain go anywhere; they'd be afraid of Iran moving revolutionary assistance through Bahrain into the Eastern Province. This could get interesting. QuentinCompson fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Feb 18, 2011 |
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Feb 19, 2011 03:13
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The Brown Menace posted:This is really not surprising, France is a real piece of poo poo country Nice ambience, though.
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Feb 20, 2011 02:49
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Apology posted:There's talk of fundamentalist Islamic violence to come in Indonesia next week: Muhammad ibn abd al-Wahhab ruined everything and the third Saudi state figured the best way to deal with it was to spread the ruin around everywhere it could.
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Feb 20, 2011 04:26
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lil sartre posted:I think he wants to outdo Castro or something. Well its way past midnight here so I'm going to sleep, I expect him to still be talking when I wake up tomorrow morning He's following in Dad's footsteps. Remember the rambling speech Qaddafi gave to the U.N. in 2009 or 10 where he said a lot of reasonable things about U.S imperialism and then also blamed the Israelis for H1N1 or something crazy like that?
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Feb 21, 2011 00:40
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randombattle posted:Don't you all understand the protesters hired African mercenaries to shoot them just to discredit the government! It worked! Excellent strategizing, protestors.
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Feb 21, 2011 00:45
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Rotacixe posted:There is a cultural thing which makes accepting responsibility virtually impossible. The loss of honor is like the worst thing that can happen to an Arab. Yes, and while we're at it, why don't you start talking about how they're savages who can't govern themselves? Close your racist trap.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:08
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Xandu posted:I was sort of hoping he was taking quadratic's statement to the extreme to prove a point. He's not, look at the post history.
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Feb 21, 2011 01:17
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Rotacixe posted:I didn't realize that it was going to be controversial. Durr those Arabs sure like to blame everyone else for their problems! It's not like their current countries were invented out of whole cloth by the West after the Ottoman Empire was crushed in WWI! It's not like the whole reason Lebanon is so unstable is their constitution, which was written by the French and disenfranchises the Shi'a to a crazy extent. It's not like Syria is a patchwork amalgam of ethnic groups that were turned against one another by colonial divide-and-conquer tactics. It's not like Iraq and Jordan were also invented by the British and were given to the sons of Sharif Hussein Ali, someone from loving Istanbul, to rule. And here are the Arabs, rising up and taking control of their own destinies in a beautiful example of human spirit and all you racist clowns can do is bleat like lobotomized sheep about HONOR and LOVE OF CONSPIRACIES. QuentinCompson fucked around with this message at 01:44 on Feb 21, 2011 |
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Feb 21, 2011 01:42
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Rotacixe posted:I see. It's racist to criticize cultural aspects of less developed countries. They are strong enough to defend their own beliefs. You don't have to do it for them. Right, so you're clearly reading that cable and then aligning with the American diplomat. Which is hilarious. You either can't read or you're some kind of weird troll. If it's the former, I wonder why Iranians might be suspicious of Americans and unwilling to form a relationship with them, I mean, it's not like the CIA trained the Shah's secret police in the subtle art of dipping people in acid three short years after overthrowing a democratically elected leader in favor of a reactionary Western-aligned monarch. It also might be pertinent to the current discussion if Persians were Arabs. Hint: they're not and they haven't even been under Arab rule for the last eleven plus centuries so you can't use that as a reason for bringing it up.
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Feb 21, 2011 02:18
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Jut posted:He's pretty much right though, I lived in Qatar for two years, and you learn pretty quick that people over there really hate to lose face. I'm so glad that you've lived in Qatar for two years and you feel that this grants you sufficient credibility to state that you support a statement coming from someone who doesn't know the difference between Iranians and Arabs and asserts that they're backwards. I've lived in New York City, so I can say bigoted things about a lot of groups! Boy oh boy, which one should I start with.
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Feb 21, 2011 03:58
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Xandu posted:Don't feel like wading into this, but the reality is complicated. People in the US care a lot about saving face as well; there certainly are differences between the American and Arab culture, but it's a mistake to generalize millions of people and it's easy to take the idea of "arabs care about honor" too far and become orientalist if you don't acknowledge that culture is flexible and not everyone embodies their culture. Thank you, that's much better than I was putting it.
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Feb 21, 2011 04:40
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Ace Oliveira posted:The Iraqis weren't trying to topple Saddam's government themselves, though. There were a series of uprisings in the south and north of the country actually, but they were brutally crushed.
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Feb 21, 2011 20:05
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Roark posted:If you want to see just how batshit his whole ideology is, flip through his Green Book. It's as crazy in the original Arabic as it is in the English translation. Eh? The ideology is interesting, actually, it's just that he doesn't adhere to a speck of it.
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Feb 21, 2011 23:36
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DonBalle posted:How come AJ International isn't mentioning this? That's important. Maybe it's unconfirmed.
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Feb 22, 2011 00:02
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Hob_Gadling posted:I heard someone claim the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt agrees to a democratic government, provided the new legislation is not at odds with sharia. http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=27947 There are hundreds of articles in this line on their website going back to its launching, either it's been a decades-long PR campaign or they might actually be telling the truth.
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Feb 23, 2011 17:45
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Slantedfloors posted:He named his kid "Thursday", and then gave him control of the "Thursday" Army Brigade. That's so loving stupid I'm getting mad just thinking about it. He named his other kids stuff like 'Sword of Islam' and 'Sword of Arabs' so it's not like he's a stranger to... strange names.
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Mar 1, 2011 17:07
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Apology posted:You would think that a call for a constitutional monarchy wouldn't be that controversial in today's climate in the Middle East, since it's still a monarchy, but noooo.... Tawfiq al-Amer is a Shi'a so probably anything he says that isn't 'work faster, dogs' is controversial. I half-expect that he gets detained every time he says 'bismillah' over his food.
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Mar 9, 2011 01:53
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Regnevelc posted:That would be bad rear end to be in the air guard and fly an F22. Assuming it didn't rain.
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Mar 20, 2011 01:23
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tetsul posted:I'm more worried about how groups like Al Qaeda and their ilk react that the group that they have been denouncing for so long for having a hopeless peaceful plan to get power managed to do what they couldn't. I having a feeling their reaction won't be a change of heart on the use of violence. Zawahiri will probably throw a tantrum and Adam Gadahn will have to talk him down for a couple of hours, then they'll all have halal pudding cups in the nice hotel where ISI is keeping them. Vir, that was before the March 14 government resigned or after? I cannot keep the timeline straight on this one.
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Mar 20, 2011 20:17
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Vir posted:It's actually after, so I guess even Hezbollah is against Gaddafi now. But Lebanon and Libya has had a bad relationship for a long time. For some reason I thought the resolution we were was in regards to Syria. Head's all whacked. Guess that's not really a surprise, then.
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Mar 20, 2011 20:40
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Uglycat posted:^do we have any evidence to help us determine to what degree communications has been undermined, or how much they're being censored? Do you ever stop bleating about the power of the internet to destroy oppression or are you on like this all the time with no full-stop?
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Mar 20, 2011 22:06
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Thoren posted:How biased or unbaised is Al-Jazeeza generally considered? A lot of people I know, especially activist friends love to turn to Al-Jazeera as an unbiased news source. I remember they totally skipped over the Lara Logan story recently. AJ is guided quite a bit lately by their owner, the Qatari House of Thani. They don't really cover Bahrain since Saudi and Qatar came to an understanding over these things, they didn't cover the Saudi protests very much either. But there's no such thing as a 100% objective news site anyway and they're the best you're going to get. The other options are the Hezbollah channel, Press TV, Al Arabiyah... all lousier or more transparently biased to one side or the other.
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Mar 23, 2011 12:04
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THE HORSES rear end posted:You think that Obama failing to live up to your standards somehow makes him a neocon, and you honestly believe that Obama pretended to be a Leftist? I have to wonder who the "loving madman" really is. You're the best troll I've ever seen in my life. I fell for it for a long time, but ugh this is just ridiculous.
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Mar 24, 2011 18:37
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This line of discussion about religious fundamentalists is pretty weird in light of the fact that Egyptian Muslims were praying while being sprayed with industrial-strength fire hoses and being guarded by Christians and the like, but nobody was yakking about the scary fundamentalists then. At least, not that I remember.
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Namarrgon posted:Yeah the whole thing sounds either completely made up or so desperate for some attention they payed the first Arab-sounding guy to speak his mind. Or a Gaddafi plant, though that may be a few too many rings up the puppetmaster-ladder for him. Isn't the head of that group that Omar Bakri guy, with the hooks for hands or something? I can't recall.
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